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1 hour ago, IceCap said:

Look. This is a tricky one because we have a no politics rule but also this decision by the NHL has a political impact. Our options are to go "you can't talk about this period" or let it go and play itself out. Given that this is a discussion board well... you can guess how we decided. 

 

If you don't want to talk about it you can ignore it until it's old news. Or keep posting those  reactions. Really getting the impotent rage across. 

I thought you were “done with me” .   I’m not sure how hitting a reaction button equates to “impotent rage.”  Nice projection though.  

I’m so glad we banned the discussion of politics on here.   Was getting tired of it derailing the uniform discussion…  

2 hours ago, adsarebad said:

Disagree,  the script combined with the stars are great.

 

The waste stripes, the shoulders........... this is a good hockey uniform, and very unique as well!

I like the multi-coloured stars and the striping is passable but that logo is even worse than the current version.  Hockey is the only major sport where teams put their logo on the front of their uniforms and that's what makes them special.  I don't want to read your jersey.  This is why the Screagle wins the honor of best Capitals (primary) logo by default.  

This is best looking jersey the Blue Jackets have had in their 23 year history.  I absolutely love it, especially the minor inclusion of  neon-green on the right shoulder patch.  Normally, things like having a base colour found nowhere else on the uniform, having red exclusively on the logos & number or using both black & navy would bother me...  But against all odds, this uniform comes together and just looks fantastic.  It should be their full-time home with a matching white.

Why are they keeping the Stadium Series inspired alternate?  That has to be the most boring, half assed design in the history of the franchise and the oversized numbers are an eyesore.  If they must have a black alt, bring back the Lindros Era version with the white shoulders.

17 hours ago, Ridleylash said:

 

This is a great compromise between era's and light-years ahead of what they use now.  The only thing I'd change is making the Stars on the Screagle copper and maybe losing the script.  Everything else is perfect...  And you couldn't really accuse them of abandoning their cup winning look completely either.

22 hours ago, Chromatic said:

As far as "worst uniforms to lift the cup" I think a lot of people are sleeping on this

 

 

Yes it is associated with the best era in Capitals history, but its still not a good uniform imho.

The only thing more tired than this uniform is the argument that a Washington team must wear Red, White and Blue Navy.  Their recent resurrection of their mid 90's colour scheme & logo resulted in the fastest selling Reverse Retro of the recent batch...  The Capitals made a huge mistake, in 2007, trying to modernize a design that was never particularly strong to begin with and it's a shame the pinnacle of their franchise will forever be associated with it.  The Adidas template improved it a little bit but it still looks like a dated relic of the late 2000's.  The conclusion of the Ovechkin era gives them a great opportunity for a much needed rebrand.

27 minutes ago, Delicate Genius said:

Florida's home jersey and Vegas' road jersey didn't have ads on them this season.

True, but it initially looked like the SCF patch was going to remain in that awkward, claustrophobic position on the right regardless...  Glad they changed their mind. 

You people can go cry some more because someone posted a Sports Design opinion on a thread about Sports Design...  You can get your panties in a twist because someone pointed out how many times a striping template has been recycled ad nauseam by Adidas.

Here's the league in 1991 where very single team has a traditional look.  You know how many use Detroit's template?  One: Detroit.  So get ed!




 

30 minutes ago, TalktoChuck said:

And 2. Nobody cares what you think because you have terrible taste.

Yeah, I have terrible taste because I don't want every new design to use the same template...  You got me there.  Tell me more about your one-striping-configuration-fits-all-teams viewpoint.  I bet it's really interesting .

The logo references this jersey, phantom or not...  They could have done more with the striping.  And what's with the Navy?

52 minutes ago, dont care said:

You’ve been told why and have acted like a petulant child because it wasn’t the answer you liked.

You've said nothing that explains why more time and effort can't be put into the striping of new uniforms... You've just parroted that Adidas only had a year.  Well it doesn't take a year to come up with a few different options besides re-colouring Detroit's template...  Especially when you have a 100+ year history to draw from.
 

1 hour ago, chcarlson23 said:

Well all of these designs might be simple to put together, but finalizing everything within a whole organization definitely takes a while. And on top of the fact that there’s a governing organization that also has a say in these designs, especially for the Outdoor games.

Again, this doesn't explain why more striping options can't be presented to teams.  Adding and changing the width and colours of horizontal stripes is hardly an arduous process.
 

1 hour ago, chcarlson23 said:

I mean sure the Lightning are really trying to go for that Faux O6 look, which is very similar to Detroit. A lot of us here would love to see them back in black and silver as well, but the Lightning seem to be perfectly happy with their look. And even that Dallas jersey is a throwback to another look. It’s similar to the Red Wings, but all of the little elements, from the patches on the sleeves to the green base had to be decided by an organization.

Detroit is not the only team that has a Faux 06 look.  The Lightning had a very traditional striping configuration when they entered the league but it stood apart because of how it was coloured and framed.  Dallas had plenty of traditional striping configurations in their history (especially if you included their North Stars history) they could have drawn from that looked very different from the Detroit template.
 

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There’s so much more to this than just slap on stripes and call it a day. Sure there are some designs that are way simpler than others, and often seem like there’s not a lot of thought behind them, but you’re really oversimplifying the process here.  

I'm not oversimplifying the entire process.  I'm wondering why teams and Adidas can't come up with striping configurations that honor there own history or break new ground instead of going with that tired Detroit template for 50th time.  Horizontal striping is one of the most distinctive characteristics of a hockey uniform.  Why can't more attention be paid to it?

37 minutes ago, dont care said:

You’re comparing 4 special event jerseys that were designed and created in less than a year to jerseys that were true alternates that had a full time to do the design process. Clearly you are over your head and should stop before you dig that hole any deeper.

Because there are no lazily designed alternates in the league right now that went through "the full design process" .  No full time jerseys either.  I would love it explained to me in detail why a Detroit, recolour with no sleeve stripes and a logo that already exists couldn't be topped by anyone with mild knowledge of Illustrator in under two days...  And your approval means oh so much to me "don't care." 

7 hours ago, mattwillcox said:

Talk about how much you hate the design all you want, I'm not a huge fan of it either. But if someone is going to go out of their way to explain to you why something might have ended up this way  then don't turn around and say like "full of excuses as usual". That's not design criticism. This board has driven away enough people who can offer this kind of insight, let's not continue to do it.

You're right.  It isn't design criticism, it's calling a spade a spade.  At least the person behind the Buffaslug owned up to it.  He didn't say it turned it out the way it did because of time and manufacturing constraints and try and pass it off as a good effort. 

From the time sports merchandise went mainstream till the mid 2000's, uniform designs didn't look they were dashed off in less than 5 minutes.  Even blunders like Fisherman, Mooterus and Predator's Mustard's (to name a few) at least looked like some effort was put into them...  They didn't just recolor Detroit's template, remove the sleeve stripes, slap a retro logo on it, and call it day.  But I guess a process with a track-record as unoriginal and slap-dash, as the below image indicates, is exempt from any criticism because someone shared some insider information about it...  Whatever the CCSLC mob says.  Flame on.




 

1 hour ago, mattwillcox said:

oh come on...someone who has real experience in this industry openly shares their knowledge of how things actually work and this is the response?

Just because someone has experience in the industry and knows how it works, doesn't mean their work is exempt from criticism.  The amount of designs, we've seen from Adidas, that look like they were dashed off in less than 5 minutes, these past five years, is staggering.  I don't work for WWE but I'm allowed to say their product has been extremely underwhelming for a long time.   You put something in the public domain, people are going to have opinions about it.  Especially on a forum where people share their opinions on uniform designs.  Get over it. 

55 minutes ago, Ridleylash said:

What do you expect him to do in this situation, per chance; talk trash about his coworkers and the clients he does work for? That's a good way to both sour your coworkers on you and get said clients to not want you back to work with them for more jobs.

I don't expect him to do anything except stop making excuses for why new designs look like a total of 5 minutes of effort were spent on them.  The Arena's jersey just looks half-assed but the "Smashville" jersey was indefensible and I remember hearing a bunch of excuses about that too...  Back in 2006, the designer's behind the Sabres 'Slug' could be criticized and rightfully so.  I don't remember anyone on hear saying "that designer works for Reebok and knows the process so him and his work are off limits from criticism."  Give me a break.

55 minutes ago, Ridleylash said:

Besides, he's right in that this is how any new uniform is handled; you do concepts a while ahead of time, then whittle down to a final product that you and the client are happy with. That this was on a compressed timeframe just means the time to iron out kinks was lower and thus the end result isn't as refined as it could have been.

If that Arena's jersey is the result of "the process" then there is something seriously wrong with said process that should be evaluated.  I don't buy the excuse that "this is best we could do because we only had a year."  Someone could make a better design in 5 minutes.

22 hours ago, andrewharrington said:

Only so much you can do when you find out who’s playing less than a year before the game. Essentially, it limits you to templates and colors that already exist at the factory.

Full of excuses as usual.

"How can we make an already boring jersey even more of a snoozer?"

9 hours ago, Kevin W. said:

Why do they keep going back to Blasty? It's not a good logo!

No argument there.  But it's one of those logos that's so bad it's almost charming.  And the fans seem to love it so why not?  I don't think many people on here would call the classic Islander's logo great but fan demand necessitated its return.

It's literally a stripe and two width-changes away from being a straight up re-colour...  I think people are too enamored with the Kraken identity (which is understandable, it's beautiful) to admit that.

10 hours ago, WSU151 said:

 

I dunno, maybe they had posters or other decorations or merchandise that would give someone a "strong hint" of these looks. 

 

Most people just say "Hey someone told me about what's coming"

Sorry.  After all the hate I've gotten on here for daring to criticize the Flame's retro's, I incorrectly assumed you were being combative.

Anyways, I asked the person working there if they had any of last years Reverse Retro's left and they said "no, but the next one will feature that same logo on the front."  When I told this person that I thought they were going with the pedestal, they said  "That wasn't incorrect."  Guess we'll have to wait and see...

24 minutes ago, WSU151 said:

Someone said that to you, or you just came to that conclusion? 

Someone said it to me.  I'm not sure how someone could come to that conclusion by just walking into a store and not talking to anyone .

Was at the Flames team-store today and got a strong hint that their Reverse Retro will feature the pedestal-striping and Blasty on the front.

The classic Islanders logo never belonged on the wave jersey.  The lack of teal really made it look tacked on...  The knee-jerk switch in 1997 was just a band-aid solution to quell fan dissatisfaction until the dynasty striping was restored.  Give us the real Fisherman jersey.  Both the Teal and Orange versions look great.

Whatever the Stars go with, I hope the jersey includes gold.  I love their new scheme with the silver but gold shouldn't be forgotten completely.  They were the Black, Green and Gold team for their first 20 years.

6 hours ago, DTConcepts said:

In my perfect world, these would be the Flames' home jerseys.

You may get your wish in the form of their Reverse Retro...  Word is the pedestal template is coming back and the only decision they're mulling is whether to go with black or red as a base.