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Still MIGHTY

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  1. As far as wrong Sakic jerseys, I believe we're looking for this:
  2. First, to the part I didn't quote, Ice Cap, I was one of those pro-Coyotes guys that swung to the other side seeing that this whole thing is dumb and it's not worth any city bankrupting itself to a sports team (especially one that's just going to continue to dig the hole deeper). I went back for a little while during the playoff run and when there was the possibility of Jamison or whomever taking over and maybe having a legitimate deal put in place. I'll admit I got kinda swept up in that, and I believe I admitted that then. I believe I also said that once it subsided I'd come back to the other side, and I have with even more encouragement from the Glendale government. The NHL can keep them there under league ownership as long as the city is willing to bleed itself dry to do so, as long as the NHL values having a team in Arizona above all else. The only way this ends is if the deal is struck down or Glendale literally runs out of money. There's nothing to suggest that this will be "the last go around" as long as the city can keep finding stuff to sell off to make payments. You pretty much restated exactly what I said after the part you quoted, so we're copacetic there. Again, I'm not supporting the actions that Glendale is taking. If the Coyotes ended up staying and Glendale continues on its path, I'll go to the games because I like hockey. I'm not going to go as some sign of support for Glendale. I buy my tickets off StubHub, I obviously don't pay parking, and at most they'll get like $11 for a beer (or several if $1 beer nights return) and a hot dog. Glendale's not getting anything from me.
  3. Trust me, I know all that. I've been around for the numerous forms this thread and discussion has been guised as. And sure, THAT'S why the only reason the pro-Coyotes posters stopped posting in this thread. It has nothing to do with how any pro-Coyotes post was swarmed upon with all the vile the other side could find. It has without question gotten exponentially harder to argue as time has gone by, but there's never been any use in trying to argue it before the horde arrived. Whatever. This just HAS to be the last go around with this. If there is a season next year, it has to be the last season of this nonsense. Either it all gets stricken down and the Coyotes are shipped to Quebec at the end of the next year or the deal goes through, all of Glendale is sold off piece by piece, and Jobing.com Arena and the Coyotes are the obly things left standing. (Until they run out of money again, and then we might just be sitting here again.)
  4. Well of course. Why start now? I've never said that I was okay with it. My most recent argument was just to show what some of those actually in Arizona feel in response to "How do the people actually allow this?" I was providing personal experience as one of the few in this discussion that actually deal with the people and within/around the municipality in question. And of course, there's a limit. I'll reiterate one more time. Yes, I would like the Coyotes to stay so I have hockey to watch, but, again I'll reiterate one more time, ONLY if it is legal, reasonable, or responsible. It is clearly none of those things anymore. It'll suck not having a live NHL option and I'll feel for the real Coyotes fans losing their team, but it's something that needs to happen for the good of Gledale (however much good that actually is anymore) and ultimately for the good of the NHL. Obviously.
  5. I just don't get it. I don't understand how any Coyotes fan can defend this. Because if you're not a citizen of Glendale, it's really not your problem? I actually got that sense from some of the Coyotes fans I talked to during the Chicago/Nashville series in the playoffs while the ownership negotiations were really going on....I wouldn't put this on the Coyotes fans Not our problem? Well aside from being the last ditch argument from the side clearly on the losing side of the discussion it can be viewed as all of our problems. Practically speaking, if this, all of this, is allowed to happen, it'll set a precedent that teams will point to whenever they're set to negotiate with the locales they play in. If it happens in Glendale it has the potential to happen anywhere else, which is something that anyone not drunk off of the Shane Doan Kool-Aid can see as a bad thing. Now lets talk about the ideological side of things. Whether I'm affected or not, I'm not out of line when I say that cutting millions of dollars and selling off G-ddamn City Hall for the sake of keeping a sports team is destructive, extremely short sighted, reckless, and a clear sign of incompetency on the part of the city's leadership. As for this not being the fault of the Coyotes' fanbase? Well it's not their fault but they're not the innocent angles you paint them out as. You claim that most Coyotes fans aren't from Glendale. If true that makes them downright morally bankrupt as a fanbase. It's easy to say "sure let a city go bankrupt and put its own infrastructure up as collateral as long as I keep my sports team" when you don't actually live in the affected city. Take any of those "well meaning Coyotes fans" and let them talk to one of the civil servants who either lost their job or is about to in the name of keeping the Coyotes and see what they have to say. Trust me, I see and understand all of what you're saying. It's stupid that this has been allowed to go on. I'm just stating an opposing opinion. As I've said numerous times in the thread (and I really don't know why I keep coming back to say it, but here I am), I would like the team to stay for my own personal reasons, but I completely understand why they would (and at this ridiculous point, really should) leave. I disagree with the bolded statement though. Glendale was/is trying to market and project itself as something much larger than it is in reality. I think any other legitimate big league city wouldn't play these stupid games with a team. There are situations similar to Glendale/Coyotes in the sense of city's team playing in a suburb (Auburn Hills/Pistons, Arlington/Cowboys-Rangers, etc) but I can't off the top of my head think of any time a suburb tried to make themselves equal to its counterpart (and don't anybody try to turn this back on me with any Anaheim/LA comparisons. Anaheim/Orange County has always been a destination unto itself unlike Glendale). This whole thing (budget cuts/losing jobs/cutting of services/putting up the damn city hall as collateral) started because of Glendale's mighty aspirations. There are plenty of fingers to point, but the biggest one is right back at Glendale.
  6. I just don't get it. I don't understand how any Coyotes fan can defend this. Because if you're not a citizen of Glendale, it's really not your problem? I actually got that sense from some of the Coyotes fans I talked to during the Chicago/Nashville series in the playoffs while the ownership negotiations were really going on. Like me, they'd like the Coyotes to stay and they also don't really have a huge stake in it. I wouldn't put this on the Coyotes fans or the Coyotes franchise. As evidenced with bringing back up Camelback Ranch (which I've mentioned before) and these new recent cuts, this is all on Glendale. The Coyotes and their fans haven't done anything here. This is Glendale and the people that run it just being plain stupid and the fact that the majority of Coyotes fans aren't in Glendale. It's been said plenty of times, but this all would have worked a lot better had the Coyotes stayed downtown or gone to Scottsdale like originally planned. It's like it was said in an earlier article, the Coyotes could win the Stanley Cup and sell out every game for each of the next 30 seasons before and they still wouldn't have made money. That right there points the finger at Glendale and the deals they have made more than the team and its fans.
  7. If the team moves, then Glendale can use the arena for concerts etc without having to pay the exorbitant hockey subsidy. I've seen reports that the city could actually make money on the arena if they didn't have to support the Coyotes. Having lived 10 minutes from the arena and based on the number and type of non-Coyotes events that roll through the Jobber, I have a hard time believing that. Unless they make money by simply not turning things on. Most of the higher profile events go on at the Univervisty of Phoenix Stadium, US Airways Arena, and even the Ashley Furninture Pavilion. I don't know how many more of those events would transfer to the Jobber, but I just don't see that.
  8. I've read a ton of statistics, figures, and projections throughout the course of this thing, but that is one of the most astounding ones I've seen. Good God. As seen, I've been an advocate of having the team stay for hockey reasons, if it was something even remotely reasonable. It's just never going to be reasonable. Hell even if the team moves, Glendale is still going to be in their own world of .
  9. KHL is actually going to have two or three regular season games at the the Barclays Center next winter. Seems like Prokhorov has a hand in that as well.
  10. Except that those fires are close to 100 miles away from Glendale. (Not to mention the miles and miles of pure sand and rock between Phoenix and the forests.) I know you're attempting to joke, but awful attempt.
  11. Mikkel Boedker, Mike Smith, and Shane Doan of the Coyotes in Diamondbacks gear before today's game.
  12. OK, maybe drafted during this time was a stretch, (I honestly thought they had more), but they've developed these guys quite well. Tippett has really been able to cultivate guys like Yandle, Boedker, and Ekmund-Larsson. Look at Yandle's stats and just his overall reputation before Tippett got there. Boedker showed some talent in his first year, but from all accounts, Tippett has matured Boedker and made him a much better all around player. Ekmund-Larsson is really going to become something as the years go on, I believe. I really think you mischaracterize the Coyotes offense. It's more than how you describe. There's a lot of cycle, a lot of grind, a lot of working up the offense to opportunities. It's not just sitting on the blueline for turnovers. It's not the prettiest offense, I'll agree. They really could stand to be more aggressive, and they do from time to time, and it's really effect. No idea why they don't press a little more sometimes. They really could. The other thing I'll agree with you on and I can't stand watching them do it (especially because it's the main reason for all the damn overtimes and tight games they've played) is the getting the lead and sitting on it for the entirety of their 3rd periods. They won't just push forward and land the knock out blow. They lock down and hold the fort. It's worked up to this point, but they really need to develop some sort of killer instinct to finish the thing off. I thought we started seeing that in Game 2, but it never carried over.
  13. The NBA isn't perfect, but one thing I love about the NBA is that you can't fake being good. You are or you aren't. Sure, you can play zone now, but all the zone in the world won't help you if you're up against elite talent and you have none of your own. The Spurs and Pistons who won with "defense and fundamentals" still had multiple Hall of Famers. The 2004 Pistons were most decidedly not a ragtag assemblage of scrubs, unless you live in a world where Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups are scrubs. It's a tragic flaw of hockey that you can win without being good, something that prohibits success in every other team or individual sport. For all of Tony La Russa's daft tinkering, he never figured out a way to win ballgames that didn't involve scoring baserunners at bat and recording outs in the field. Have you figured out a way to win hockey games that doesn't involve keeping more pucks out of your net than you put in the oppositions net? (Don't say OTLs/SOLs, because yes as the Panthers showed that can buoy you to the playoffs, but you won't be winning much of anything past that.) I really don't get why you are so pissy that the Coyotes are winning the way they are. I know a lot of it has to do with this whole situation and that they "miraculously got good once the NHL bought them". They got miraculously good because they got a much better coach than the piss-poor one Gretzky was, started drafting better, developed talent, and bought better free agents to fit into their system. You have your conspiracy about the NHL making them better, but what would you have wanted the NHL to do? Make them abhorrently suck? From what I can tell, the NHL has been pretty hands off and letting Maloney and the Coyotes organization run themselves with the backing of negotiating on terms of good faith with anybody else (unlike Stern and the Hornets). Are they signing the checks? Yeah, but are they meddling to make this whole thing work/fail? No. --- People's hate of the whole situation and the Glendale City Council are bleeding over onto the actual team and fans. They have nothing to do with this stupid nonsense. Some of you need to step back, reevaluate what's going on, and attack the right people. Do I think Glendale is idiotic and self-destructive? Yeah. Is this whole thing stupid? Yeah. Trust me, I'm not ignoring the facts here to say that this is all well and good. I'm just going to stop analyzing the situation and let it play out. I rooting for the success of the team and that hopefully something positive for everyone gets worked out. If it doesn't, well damn that's going to suck. I'm not rooting for Glendale to dig itself deeper (and honestly, with or without the Coyotes, Glendale would still be in a 10-foot deep hole), I'm rooting for something to work out for the Coyotes. If it doesn't, well then , it was nice knowing you Coyotes and I along with their many die-hard fans will miss you. Go Coyotes. Back to your regularly scheduled Coyotes piss parade.
  14. Yeah, I can't do the doubtful, slight sarcasm at the Phoenix Coyotes or their fans anymore. I'm too wrapped up in this now. Tonight was awesome. Before, I just wanted the Coyotes to stay so I could have a place to watch hockey while I'm away at school. Now, I just want them to stay. I really have enjoyed this run too much and have now got the Coyotes solidly entrenched as my #2 team that I can't continue with that wishy-washy sarcasm. If this deal falls through, then so be it. If a deal is held up in court, so be it. If they do eventually leave, then so be it, and that will just really really really suck. I'm going to root for the Coyotes. I'm not going against them or their fans actively or with slight passive-aggressive sarcasm (Unless there comes a point where it's really really needed). Whatever happens happens. Not going to make a big fuss. I'd just like them to stay. Not at the complete detriment of a community of course. I would hope that something gets worked out so everyone benefits. That's all I can hope for. Before anyone comes down on me for being naive or stupid or etc, at this point, you're probably right. Look I acknowledge all of the stupidity behind the scenes in Glendale and I have been one to point it out and go after it. If Glendale continues down its own self destructive path or probably when this current Coyote euphoria I'm getting swept up in subsides, then I'll agree that the thing needs to end. But like I said in the last paragraph, if something can eventually be worked out where everyone gets their benefit and it works for the better, that's all I can hope for. Go Coyotes.
  15. Just arrived at Westgate. Half of the parking lots got repaved today, so they're blocked off... Awesome. Though it does seem like Thera more people here early compared to previous games. We'll see. NOTE 1: Outaide te entrance in this Whiteout party area, we have an absolutely AWFUL rock cover band. They're just covering random rock songs, and this girl singing... Ugh... Just ugh... At least they have beer vendors and the Caps/Rangers game on a big screen on the arena. NOTE 2: They aren't showing the announcement live in the arena. I couldnt stand being outside anymore haha, so I had hope it's be on in here. Not though. Don't know about outside. I suspect they'll get to it during the game.
  16. Huh. Interesting. I'm going to the game tomorrow, so it'll be neat to kinda gauge everything right up close and how they announce it. I swear to God, though, if Jamison shows up to the game and on the jumbotron in a Coyotes jersey/hat over his suit I will lose it. I'll take pictures and report anything of any sort of interest.
  17. They're actually in the process of building an outlet mall where one of the Coyote parking lots was on the west side of Westgate. (Story with specifics.) So that's a good idea...
  18. I've long said now that I'm not going to react one way or the other until this thing is truly officially official and done, but this does look quite promising.
  19. The man (Jamison) is insane! He's just as delusional as the previous Coyotes owner. BTW who owned the Coyotes before they were handed over to the NHL? Jerry Moyes, trucking magnate.
  20. Yeah, but the team hasn't been out of the first round in Phoenix. Who knows how they'll react ticket wise to the second round, Nashville or not. Depends on if there's construction on Loop 101. Or if it's a weeknight. Or if "The Voice" is on. Luckily no construction (at least on this side of town). There does seem to be a lot more Coyote "fans" hanging around now though. Natural with any team with some kind of success I guess. And they're getting more air time on local news and radio stations than usual. Like I said, who knows. ----- And admiral being skeptical/cynical about... well... anything? WHAAAAAAA?
  21. Yeah, but the team hasn't been out of the first round in Phoenix. Who knows how they'll react ticket wise to the second round, Nashville or not.
  22. The Rock is built like that... Open concourse with a direct view of the ice from anywhere... Is it really? I just googled a few articles and read that one end of the mezzanine is open, providing a "baseball park-like view", but I didn't realize that the entire thing was open. Jobing.com Arena in Glendale is like that (except the endzones). Consol Energy Center in Pittsburgh is also like that (the Pens CEO asked for the interior to resemble Jobing.com Arena).
  23. So the Anaheim Ducks' Goose has been cooked. Come on my pun made you smile Not in the slightest. You're out of your element, Donny.
  24. Moving them from Downtown to the West Valley was one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen a sports franchise make. Killed their attendance numbers, and in turn, their following (at least from what I can tell). Nice to have the arena 15 minutes away from me, but for someone coming from the likes of Chandler/Gilbert, it takes an hour and a half to two hours to get to the damned arena in rush hour traffic (conveniently when all the games start). I'll be sad if they leave, but only for the same reason most hockey fans out here would be: i don't get to see my favorite team play the Coyotes live 2-3 times a year. Any sane owner would desperately try to bring the team back downtown. But the cost and the fact that Glendale is such a vested party makes that impossible. I'm in the same boat, and I'm in a decently close to Central Phoenix part of town. It won't be until there's a South Mountain Freeway that things are fixed. And that, much like the Coyotes, is a debacle. They wouldn't go back downtown if they could. In the first place, they were supposed to get a hockey specific arena after they moved to Phoenix, and as already illustrated in this thread, it was never going to (or really supposed to) work long term at America West. It was never a good plan with that configuration. What's 's really a shame is that the original plan for a Westgate-style arena/mall center in Scottsdale fell through the first time. It was supposed to be built where ASU's SkySong campus is now. That would have been a perfect location. Right off the 202 and the 101. Just up the street from ASU main campus, just down the street from Old Town Scottsdale. That would have worked.
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