Sodboy13

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GOD HATES HOCKEY

Calling Barry Goldwater a real American, Devils avitar I think Icecap is turning into me

Being outraged at the Phoenix Coyotes is the one true cause that unites us all. #teamjustice

At this point, morbid curiosity makes me want them to approve the whole deal tomorrow morning despite the numerous illegalities involved, and the lack of ownership money.

Well, they've bought themselves another season and another $25 million in debt by drawing it all out this long, regardless.

So, what's the endgame here? How far back do the goalposts get pushed? Does Glendale get one more season? Do they get a free pass for 2012-13 because the season gets cancelled, and then a season after that? Or do they continue this farce all the way to 2015 when Quebecor finishes Le Colisee Nouveau, at which point the league will throw up deuces and tear ass down the Loop 101?

I think that's left over from the first alleged Reinsdorf courting in 2010, and it's still every bit as toothless now as it was then.

Edit: Sho'nuff! Take a trip with me in the Hockey Ownership Farce Wayback Machine, kids!

City of Glendale has come to an agreement with both IEH and the group headed by Reinsdorf. A vote Tuesday to find out which proposal they choose and who basically gets the team, however here are the details for both teams

Glendales deal with Reinsdorf includes

1.Working to change the teams name from Phoenix Coyotes to either Arizona or Glendale Coyotes.

2. Creating a community facilities district around the arena and Westgate City Center area to collect tax revenue and take out bonds against that revenue. The CFD would be used to pay the NHL $65 million over three years, and to set up a reserve fund to offset the Coyotes financial losses.

3. An out clause after five years, which would allow Reinsdorf to sell the team to an owner in another market or require Glendale to help the Coyotes with financial shortfalls after that time.

4. Having the Reinsdorf group take over operations of the city-owned arena. Glendale would continue to pay the bond debt on the $180 million facility.

5. Allowing for parking charges of $8 to $20 per car at Coyotes games and other arena events.

The Ice Edge arena deal includes

1. Creating a CFD to assess and collect parking fees at Coyotes games and establish a financial reserve for the team.

2. Tcket surcharges on Jobing.com Arena sporting events and concerts.

3. Working to change the teams name.

4. Allowing Ice Edge first rights to buy the city-owned arena if it is ever sold

I think this bodes better for Ice Edge than it does Reinsdorf at the moment

When you know none of them are going to buy the team anyway, you don't have to be so particular about names.

Joyce Clark has invited Coyotes season ticket holders to the next council meeting. Everyone who attends gets four hot dogs, four drinks, a banner, a shirt, and free admittance to the next council meeting.

Naturally there are still a ton of seats available.

Well, you know, with the traffic and all.

42 nights? As part of the deal to buy the team Jamison has also mannaged to sneak an extra home game.

Plus five more in Saskatoon! Wait, wrong sham owner.

And that's really good news.

The NHL likes prospective owners that can play ball and keep their mouths shut.

I just had a similar thought... Only replace the NHL with I and owners with wife...

And ladies, quadival is stunningly, like the Coyotes, still available.

I could see Gary trying to stall enough so that even if the sale falls apart, they have to stay out there another season.

That's what happening right now. Jamison is Hulsizer. Hulsizer is Jamison. The deep playoff run merely serves to make the timing of the inevitable sale collapse less suspicious looking. The Phoenix Coyotes will exist come October 2012. I'll lay actual money on that, as opposed to whatever Glendale's gambling with nowadays.

Actually, a disaster that destroys the Jobberdome might be the best thing that could happen to that city.

The team has nowhere to play, the league will be forced to sell them, the city would collect on some type of insurance (then use the money to make a parking lot), and their budget deficit would be reduced by $25M.

I wonder what the Professional Rioters? from last June are up to. Probably making it prohibitively difficult and unpleasant for me to take the train downtown on a nice day.

No, don't worry, Metra's taken care of that before any of the brick-wielding anarchists had the chance. Turns out "The Way To Really Fly" may or may not involve a finger in your anus.

Given that the wearer would be a Cowboys fan, the odds of the wearer being a huge drunk are pretty good.

The fonts on that knockoff are pretty accurate, but you can tell by all the buckling and bubbling in the photo, along with the thin jersey material, that the quality is substandard.

Also, remember that the one person who had both the money and leverage to make putting an NHL team in Hamilton a possibility has a whole lot less of both nowadays.

I think it's a safe assumption at this point that there will be a Phoenix Coyotes NHL franchise for 2012-13, whether or not games are played for the season. The timing of the Jamison announcement makes this last year's Hulsizer dog-and-pony show all over again. The specifics of the sale will get presented to the Glendale city council and be approved, the Goldwater Institute will step in and kindly remind all parties involved of Arizona's Gift clause (again), and the offer will fall apart without the promise of public subsidy, with league and city officials lamenting that they would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling fiscal conservatives. Then, the league will announce that it's too late in the offseason to begin the process of finding an owner anew in time for 2012-13, so league ownership will regrettably continue for the forseeable future, and hey Glendale could you float another 25 million our way we're totally good for it kthxbai.

The difference between this year and last is that this offseason does not appear to have the confluence of potential buyer (TNSE) and potential seller (Atlanta Spirit) both approaching their -or-get-off-the-pot moments. Quebecor isn't going to have that shiny new hockey palace up until 2015, so in the interim, this game can keep getting played until that crucial moment once again arises. And maybe by then, there's another team instead of the Coyotes that can be shuffled northward, perhaps after Bill Daly quietly purchase large blocks of tickets to several games at Nassau Coliseum and leaves them at Will Call under "Péladeau".

The only thing that derails this is if the votes on the Glendale city council go from 4-3 to 3-4. One councilperson's change of heart gets the team and the league off the government teat and likely out of town, but I don't know the likelihood of that happening.

I already look forward to next year's thread, and the creative titles it shall have.

Never a team in Hamilton? I thought they were right after Quebec City in the race to Make It 30.

Have you looked at Blackberry stock lately? They're now behind Nunavut, which is putting together a preliminary bid for the Red Wings.

Really looking forward the Kootenay Blackhawks, you guys.

Wabush Blue Jackets! 2020 Stanley Cup Champions!

Bring the Cup back to Kenora!

"dick comments"

Well, it's bold, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it italic.

Never a team in Hamilton? I thought they were right after Quebec City in the race to Make It 30.

Have you looked at Blackberry stock lately? They're now behind Nunavut, which is putting together a preliminary bid for the Red Wings.

Really looking forward the Kootenay Blackhawks, you guys.

I would just like to state that if there was an investor who wanted to buy the Coyotes with 100% private funds and keep the team in Glendale without government subsidy, I'd be fine with it. Such a person has yet to materialize over the past three years, however.

So, the deal for Jamison would reportedly keep the Coyotes in Glendale for 21 years. $92 million for the first five, and then another $214 million over the next sixteen, for a total of $306 million in local government subsidies to a private business that has never turned a profit in its previous 16 years of existence.

A near-broke municipality is willing to guarantee nearly a third of a billion dollars to an agreement where any and all returns on its investment would be indirect. If this is anything but a sports team, this gets universally decried as the dumbest goddamn idea ever.

But hey, maybe this deal requires Jamison to make an effort to rename the team "Glendale Coyotes", so yay.

Shane Doan threw a huge bitch fit and threatened not to report to Winnipeg if the team moved there, any talk of the Coyotes handling their uncertainty with quiet dignity can be shoved up an array of asses.

Seriously?

He said he had a no-move clause and thus couldn't be made to move with the team and wouldn't; what that elbow-throwing gomer failed to grasp was that "no-move" refers to trades/releases/assignments, not relocations.

Did he also mention the fact that he was basically anonymous in the city he'd played in for 14 years as a point of pride, or am I confusing him with someone else?

Yes, and at this point, a tentative deal carries all the positive certainty of the all-conference mathlete announcing his intentions to bang the prom queen. This is just something to juice ticket sales for the next round. Wake me when pen gets put to paper and Goldwater holds back their lawyers.

Lay off us mathletes!

I was speaking from experience.

So, not only would Glendale have to dish out $92 million in subsidies over 5 years, but Ken Campbell of The Hockey News reports the deal on the table right now would leave Jamison free and clear after those five years to sell or move the team. Which means that, even if this passes the legal test (and it shouldn't, since it sounds like an ugly hybrid of the Reinsdorf and Hulsizer proposals), once 2017 rolls around, Here We'll Go Again.

Not sure if posted yet, but...

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=395274

Yes, nine posts above yours.

A tentative deal? Haven't we been to this dance before?

Yes, and at this point, a tentative deal carries all the positive certainty of the all-conference mathlete announcing his intentions to bang the prom queen. This is just something to juice ticket sales for the next round. Wake me when pen gets put to paper and Goldwater holds back their lawyers.

who will be the sacrificial lamb so the yotes can stay one more year.

If we end up with Les Blues, or Les Vestes Blues next season, this garage league isn't getting a damn dime from me. But hey, the league might take care of that for me this summer during the CBA talks.

Which they can't consummate because the powerful bread lobby Goldwater Institute is stopping their research subsidies.

Yeah, I don't understand how this is legal under Arizona's Gift Clause with the city still giving a private owner $17 million a year. There's gotta be some end-around in the details, or this thing just gets crushed again.

Honestly, what's everybody's issue if a legitimate owner willing to take over and run the team buys the Coyotes and keeps them in Glendale? If it's true, I'm happy they're finding a legitimate owner who can hopefully make it work.

Mark my words, if this sale to Jamison goes through, the team will be in this situation again before you graduate college. I will bet actual monies.