Sodboy13

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A classic thread. Poke around and notice how things have and haven't changed. There were more pro-Coyotes people in May 2009 than there are now.

Oh, man. good times.

There was a minor league hockey tema called the roadrunners before the coyotes came. There are passionate hockey fans in Phoenix. Losing seasons in such a bangwagon town does that.

Good Lord, how did I miss that the first time around?

The NHL will still find a way to screw this up. Why let a guy with real money into the league when they can keep bleeding debt in the desert. right?

Lamicus, you've done it again!

No matter what game you buy tickets to, you run the risk of the game being a stinker.

Yes, but only in Glendale do you run the risk of paying more to go to a game specifically because it sucked.

If they wanted to truly recreate the full Phoenix Coyotes Experience, they'd let the fans make this gamble with other people's money.

"Mr. Bettman, Glendale has pulled all its public funding, and we've run out of sham owners to trot before the city council. I'm afraid it's over, sir."

"No! It can't be over. There's got to be another way we can... I've got it!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5-BTdcqjk

Jeff O'Neill has really utilized Twitter well to effectively distinguish himself as a lunkhead.

I think the fact that the league is still talking to Ice Edge ("Yeah, we're all about keeping the team in Glendale, but, uh, how 'bout 8 home games a year in Saskatoon?") just reinforces what a farce it all is at this point. It's window dressing made of cellophane.

Jesus, look at what FansEdge is selling for $500.

Good news! It's a suppository.

Many thanks for doing the work I was planning to do off a recording of the overnight replay.

This may be the night the Coyotes finally died. That was the crack in the façade. It's out there now. And in the context of that game, Christ, was it ever glorious.

Phoenix Al Qaeotes?

Sounds pretty fracking brilliant to me.

Parise and Suter come to town and give Glendale a huge attendance bump.

9,508.

EDIT: Having an interesting chat on Twitter with a Coyotes season ticket holder. He says there are around 4,000 season ticket holders (remember those stories about the spike in sales once they made the playoffs?), and that for many fans, they're tired of the perpetual chain-yanking and have given up on going until the mess gets settled, one way or another. Sounds like a great sales pitch for Greg Jamison to find investors!

Patches are a bit of a nebulous area as far as fakery goes, right? Because it's pretty obvious that these patches for uniforms worn 10 or 20 years ago are "unlicensed reproductions", but at the same time, it's not like the NHL or any other league is in the standalone retro patch business.

It's funny, I was having a hockey talk with one of my wife's friends (who has Hawks season tickets) tonight, and she brought up the bootleg jersey issue. Apparently, one of her co-workers got into the racket on eBay, and received some sort of cease-and-desist letter. As for my wife's friend, she said "Why would you want one of those anyway? They're cheap, but the quality is crap, the colors are all wrong, nothing looks right, the Indian Head is bright yellow sometimes..."

So it's not just us obsessives who notice.

I've always thought if I could find a good Cleveland Barons fake I'd purchase it. Therefore I see where you are coming from if you really love a jersey and that's the only way it's available then to me that's the only exception when buying knock-offs.

I own an Oakland Seals fake, because the NHL refuses to produce green-and-blue era Seals jerseys for whatever reason. The numbers were so poor though, I stripped them off and had EPS replace them with something far more authentic. Still scared to wash the thing, though.

I hope so. That would be like a zombie movie where the slow, shambling version of the undead attacked by proceeding single-file in a straight line. Set 'em up, knock 'em down.

Had an unexpected crossing of paths with George Fallar on Twitter last night.

On Facebook, #Coyotes fans are jacked for Raffi Torres' return. Not so much an indictment of Yotes fans, as it is of a-holes on Facebook.

@HockeyBrunch You know it's mostly because Hawk whiners are so easily annoyed, right? Time to get over it.

.@gfallar Hey, how's getting a city you don't live in to bankrupt itself for your continued amusement working out? #Coyotes #GlendaleFirst?

No response from him after that.

If Suns ownership was interested in buying the Coyotes, I could see it happening. Tell Glendale to go pound sand (they've got plenty!) and go back to the awkwardly-shaped basketball barn where you drew well regardless.

You'd think, though, that if Suns ownership had an interest, they would have expressed it by now.

Per Craig Morgan, Greg Jamison has issued a statement. Try not to roll your eyes too hard, lest they fall out.

"We will not be able to complete our purchase of the Phoenix Coyotes today in time to meet our deadline with the city of Glendale. However, our journey to purchase the Coyotes will continue. We realize this will require additional conversations with the city of Glendale and the NHL. We still believe we can reach an agreement that satisfies everyone. We hope negotiations with the city proceed as smoothly as possible, as everyone involved wants the Coyotes to remain in Arizona.

"To the Arizona's sports and hockey fans, and the City of Glendale, we appreciate your patience and diligence. We wish everything was completed today as we worked extremely hard on the deal. However, we have taken significant steps to keep the Coyotes in Glendale for the long-term. I've seen first-hand the wonderful support Arizona hockey fans have provided the Coyotes and we will continue our efforts to keep the NHL in Arizona."

Pretty liberal use of the royal "we" there, Greggy.

So if Phoenix finally goes bye bye who is the next team that steps into their shoes as the punching bag and butt of jokes?

I'd have to guess Columbus.

I can't hate on the Jackets. Their lease deal is more along the lines of your standard issue municipal handout, the fanbase is practically begging for anything to cheer for while enduring way too much front-office incompetence, with bad breaks piled atop that (losing the Yakupov lottery and the All-Star weekend.) That's some Thrashers-level stuff for a fanbase to endure, though at least fans of the Beej can take solace in knowing their ownership doesn't actively loathe hockey.

Plus, you didn't hear any stories during the lockout about bars in Phoenix or South Florida getting packed for NHL 13 simulations or Saturday morning World Juniors telecasts.

I'm watching Jets @ Panthers. There is virtually no one sitting in the lower bowl on the bench side between the blue lines, a/k/a the best seats in the house. I did some research and apparently it's become something called "Club Red," where you buy access to a brand-new super-swanky mega-suite for one-percenters, where you can hang out and be rich or go to the seats and watch the game. Which, clearly, no one does. So to the average viewer who isn't conversant with the ever-monetizing ways of Michael Yormark, it looks like no one can be bothered to go to Panthers games. What a way to run a railroad.

I mean, the hell is this? Don't they realize it looks really bad?

I figured the center was empty because anyone who really wanted to go to a game would just buy the $7-per-game/free parking/free jersey combo, but of course it had to be more ridiculous than that, because it's the Panthers.

I fully expect by next season, it'll be renamed the jetBlue Business Class Extended Legroom Section, Presented By Currency Exchange.

After nearly 4 years, I've learned better than to say "Well, that's it", but this seems to move the needle in the right direction (as far away from Glendale as possible).

Why haven't we had a Yotes-o-Meter this whole time?

Question for the group....Which aspect is it that most of you frown upon when it comes to counterfeits? Is it the intent to make a dollar off of them? Or just the act of creating something using someone else's work?

I ask because I'm just curious to see where the DIY'ers rank in your minds. And I mean the DIY'ers who create their stuff for their own use....Not to sell.

Here is a question I have...there's a company called Dorholt Custom sports that was making Devils xmas tree jerseys (before the throwbacks from CCM were available), Cleveland Barons jerseys, Fighting Saints, a few others...all jerseys that at the time were no longer produced.

Technically they fell into the fake category as they were not officially licensed by the NHL, but being the only way to get your hands on them would be an old used version from Ebay...I feel it wasn't as bad as Chinese fakes of existing jerseys. I think they still do the red xmas tree jerseys, which is bad since you can now get them from the NHL Shop, but they remain the only place to get a new white version of the xmas jersey.

There used to be a place in Ontario called Silvestri Sports that did NHL throwbacks before the league did, too. Bought Atlanta Flames and Capitals jerseys for friends from them. The jerseys were a heavy mesh, but the Caps one had all the letters sewn on individually.

By the way, I'm watching the Coyotes tonight on the Fox Sports Arizona feed. Commercial breaks are running about 2/3 network promos & PSAs to 1/3 actual paid advertisements, and that ratio may be generous. Can't sell tickets, can't sell spots, can't sell the team.

I think my favorite detail from the many side stories that developed throughout this whole affair is the crowd who railed against Mike Sunnucks of the Phoenix Business Journal, who constantly berated him as some good-for-nothing conspiratorial liar because he said bad stuff 'bout the 'Yotes.

Congratulations, gang, you were proven right! Sunnucks said Jamison had the money lined up earlier this week! You won!