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It wasn't Mizzou latching on. They're actually being sought out. Not the top choices but definitely in the mix for 3 different conferences.

Read on Twitter that if Texas back out of PAC, which is not speculated to happen at this time, Mizzou would replace them. Not sure how I feel about that. Yeah it'd be good to have the stability, but that many games 2-hours behind? I'd rather they go east if anything, but I guess I'd take it.

Have you completely ignored all of my posts? We try our best.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway. I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ. If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference. There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses. If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no. I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks. Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF. Actually, no they don't. UCF Since 2005: 8-5, 4-8, 10-4, 4-8, 8-5, 11-3 Baylor Since 2005: 5-6, 4-8, 3-9, 4-8, 4-8, 7-6 UCF Since 2005: 14-15, 22-9, 16-15, 17-14, 15-17, 21-12 Baylor Since 2005: 4-13, 15-16, 21-11, 24-15, 28-8, 18-13, I will admit, Baylor had a period between 2007-2009 where they were pretty successful. But for the most part, they've been pretty pathetic. UCF also has Marcus Jordan, and is trending upward, and has a nice new arena. Bottom line, Baylor is trending even at best, and UCF is rising rapidly. Baylor has one of the top recruiting classes and are probably a preseason top 10 pick.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway. I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ. If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference. There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses. If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no. I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks. Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway. I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ. If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference. There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses. If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway. I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ. If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.

Taken from the wikipedia page. And unlike many wikipedia pages, this page actually cited their sources. I'm gonna leave that one alone. Your source of information speaks volumes. just read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida#Academics I'm giving you evidence that UCF is a viable candidate for the ACC. You haven't given me any counter evidence. I can't post links from my iPhone, but as long as you continue to site Wikipedia, I don't really need to. UCF is NOT a player. None of the power conferences care what they're doing. Deal with it. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/ucf-3954 Now you need to. What am I looking at? An advertisement? I'm sure UCF spent a good amount of "their riches" to get such a glowing ad. You know, with your trolling practices, your association with the school really doesn't help their case.

Taken from the wikipedia page. And unlike many wikipedia pages, this page actually cited their sources. I'm gonna leave that one alone. Your source of information speaks volumes. just read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida#Academics I'm giving you evidence that UCF is a viable candidate for the ACC. You haven't given me any counter evidence. I can't post links from my iPhone, but as long as you continue to site Wikipedia, I don't really need to. UCF is NOT a player. None of the power conferences care what they're doing. Deal with it.

1. Publicly no. 72 hours ago the ACC wasn't publicly knocking on Pitt and Syracuse's doors either, and yet here we are. 2. I think the general toxicity of the relationship between the football schools and the basketball schools in the Big East even outweighs considerations such as Miami's sanctions. Judging from what I've read online the football schools were pretty much fed up with being second class citizens in the league despite being the breadwinners. Yes but in this case the SEC have already contacted these schools and appear to have moved on.

Taken from the wikipedia page. And unlike many wikipedia pages, this page actually cited their sources. I'm gonna leave that one alone. Your source of information speaks volumes.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump. Again, the buyout is simply a starting point for negotiations, not some devastating MAD-scale deterrent and is about as believable a deterrent as a buyout fee of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. You could make up much of the buyout simply by withholding revenue sharing a la Nebraska and Colorado. And again, that doesn't mean the teams will try to get out when there's becoming fewer reasons for them to leave. 1. Can you seriously tell me that if you are Clemson or Florida State and the SEC comes by and says "Hey, you guys want in?", they wouldn't jump? They damn well would bail faster than Cracky the Tiger could go through crack cut with meth and they damn well could find the money to do so since we're talking about large state institutions (What's another thousand dollars in semester tuition? It's just loan money and the students expect the hikes at this point). The SEC is just more attractive to the ACC's more Southern, football-oriented members. (FWIW I suspect Tobacco Road et. al. would shed fewer tears about being rid of those football playing ruffians than some seem to think.) 2. Lost in this general brouhaha is another problem regarding the stability of the ACC's current membership-namely the fact that the NCAA is going to be napalming the out of Miami's athletic department at minimum. There's a good chance the NCAA may just drop Little Boy on Miami Gardens and consign the beast to the South Florida swamps from whence it came. How stable can you be if you're worried one of your ostensible football flagships is about to become a 21st Century SMU. 1. The SEC isn't knocking on their doors at this time. And it's a big possibility that UWV may be the 14th member. 2. If the Miami situation was that big of a scare, do you think Pitt and 'Cuse would really be that anxious to join? What happens to the U isn't necessarily going to affect the other schools.

He was saying UCF wasn't a player, and I proved him otherwise. No you didn't. You just proved that UCF thinks higher of themselves than everybody else does.

Which is what I'm saying would happen. I think you're heavily underestimating just how huge and powerful UCF is. If they want to, they could become a player. An you have no idea just how laughable that is. And I was saying schools like USF aren't even players so UCF is far down on the list. O rly? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/knights/os-ucf-fiu-sidebar-0918-20110917,0,2585716.story So they're the Rebecca Black of the NCAA.

Which is what I'm saying would happen. I think you're heavily underestimating just how huge and powerful UCF is. If they want to, they could become a player. An you have no idea just how laughable that is. And I was saying schools like USF aren't even players so UCF is far down on the list.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump. Didn't the Big XII up its buyout penalties after last offseason? The ACC's buyout hike is a symbolic deterrent, not a prohibitive factor. If you want out, you'll find the money to get out. Not to $20M. And with the additions of Pitt and 'Cuse, it seems like the changes they're making will make the current members more inclined to stay put. Nebraska negotiated theirs down to $10 million. Since we can all assume that TV deals are going to end up being renegotiated for $Texas dollars, what is another ten million if it means membership in the Big Ten or SEC. The current Big Ten tv deals paid out more than $20 million last season. Again, it sounds nice to the people, but it is not an impenetrable barrier by any means. Wow. Ok, the current members of the ACC now seem to be fine with staying in the ACC. So why would they try to leave simply just to say they got around the buyout? Just because you think they can, doesn't mean they're going to when all signs are pointing to them NOT leaving. The ACC has now aligned itself up pretty well for the potential superconferences and appear to only be "buyers" not "sellers".

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump. Again, the buyout is simply a starting point for negotiations, not some devastating MAD-scale deterrent and is about as believable a deterrent as a buyout fee of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. You could make up much of the buyout simply by withholding revenue sharing a la Nebraska and Colorado. And again, that doesn't mean the teams will try to get out when there's becoming fewer reasons for them to leave.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump. Didn't the Big XII up its buyout penalties after last offseason? The ACC's buyout hike is a symbolic deterrent, not a prohibitive factor. If you want out, you'll find the money to get out. Not to $20M. And with the additions of Pitt and 'Cuse, it seems like the changes they're making will make the current members more inclined to stay put.

They also don't have the Big East connections to the current, future and possible ACC members. They may end up having to take them as a package deal with UConn. UCF is simply not a player. They're a last resort when your other last resorts, like South Florida, don't pan out.

Yes, but... This scenario assumes that only football matters. But if I'm Providence/Seton Hall/Villanova/Georgetown etc., why would I care about being mashed together with a bunch of plains state schools to save a football conference that I don't participate in? Wouldn't the sensible thing to do be to split off and form our own basketball conference where the member schools have more control over what's happening in their own conference (including prestige level and revenue split)? Well yeah the bball schools could stay together, but not with the football schools. To them, football is what ultimately dictates what they're gonna do. And that may force them to move to the other power conferences that are not in danger of going bye bye.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump. There has been no talk of UCF to the ACC. Rutgers may end up being the 16th. No one is leaving the ACC. The price is too high. UWV, Mizzou and Louisville are the top possibilities for the SEC. If they go 16, could be all 3. If Notre Dame does indeed go to the Big Ten, then they need to find a 14th or more. Then Mizzou really becomes a hot commodity for both conferences. And with the Big East basically dismantling, TCU could come back into play as well. There was no previous talk of Pittsburg and Syracuse to the ACC either. Nobody wants Rutgers. They bring nothing to the table but mediocre football and women's basketball. I think they join either the B1G because the B1G becomes desperate after they realize all the teams they wanted are gone, or they go to some other conference made up of all of the other BCS teams that were left behind. I think MIzzou goes to the B1G. It makes more geographical sense, and I'm not sure they want to compete in the SEC. UCF is the same as Rutgers, mediocre in both and not nearly the academic level. Their best bet at improvement woul be a stripped down Big East. And as the fact that you didn't hear about Pitt or 'Cuse, UCF is not big time playmakers like them. No one cares about what UCF might do or cares if they plan to do anything.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump. There has been no talk of UCF to the ACC. Rutgers may end up being the 16th. No one is leaving the ACC. The price is too high. UWV, Mizzou and Louisville are the top possibilities for the SEC. If they go 16, could be all 3. If Notre Dame does indeed go to the Big Ten, then they need to find a 14th or more. Then Mizzou really becomes a hot commodity for both conferences. And with the Big East basically dismantling, TCU could come back into play as well.

They have to add at least one more in to go along with aTm. They could just decide to go 16, too.

Good point. Now, I don't know for sure if this whole situation would finally force the BCS to revoke the Big East's bid (it probably would), but the NCAA has stated that you need eight members to be a football conference (the WAC is currently facing this issue with the losses of Fresno State, Nevada and Hawaii and the additions of two football schools Texas State and UTSA along side non-football members Denver, Seattle and UT-Arlington). To me, Villanova holds all the cards. I understand your point that little Villanova might not be enough to save the Big East in football, but I think that in order to survive, Villanova may need to make that jump. It may be the only way, man. Saving both of them could be possible, but at what cost? You're assuming that UConn and Rutgers stay, which there's already been talk that UConn has already reached out to the ACC, which could pull Rutgers in with them. This would only leave Cincinnai, Louisville, South Florida and the incoming TCU. You could pair those 4 with the remaining 5 Big XIi schools to form an AQ conference, but there's a big possibility of Mizzou going to either the Big Ten or SEC and possibly Louisville to the SEC. If a Big XII/Big East merger were to come to fruition, I'd probably keep the Big XII name because there'd be more of their teams in it and regionally, it would be more appropriate as USF would really be the only eastern school. Though, as mentioned on twitter, they could just call it the Big Mess. Might be more fitting.

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