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Chicago ssems to be a hot bed for fakes with jerseys from the four major leagues.

The problem is one can make an economic argument to justify any illegal activity.

Somebody got time? I thought we were told there is no legal issue here? I don't think there's isn't a legal issue. I think the point is that a lot of people just don't think it's a "crime" that should necessarily be given so much attention. People break the law everyday, hell, you break the law everyday, though you don't like to admit it. So speeding and intentionally violating intellectual property laws are equally as bad? I'm sure you probably think jay walking and murder are on the same page too, eh? There's a reason we have "misdemeanors" and "felonies".... That is quite a leap saying that violating IP laws and murder are the same. To me it is more like prostitution, more of a moral issue. So far not one of you defending the IP view on this has shown any examples of a designer getting paid less because they are making counterfeit jerseys in China. And so far no one here has posted how the loss of revenue because of the sale of counterfeit jerseys as affected the income of the big 4 leagues. And so far no one has posted how the only reason a "authentic" NFL jersey is worth $300 is because of the existence of counterfeit jerseys. Actually there are no "authentic" jerseys for sale in any store on line or at the mall, because unless it is game worn and taken from the locker room it is just a replica. So we are arguing over levels of quality in a replica jersey, and whether there should be a monopoly on $300 jerseys. Look if a company in china can make money selling a jersey for $20, just imagine how much money is being made by selling the same jersey for $300. And I bet most of you all were pro Occupy folks as well, yet have no issue with the leagues ripping of the masses in the name of "authenticity". Oh and how many of you call the cops on your friends or neighbors smoking or selling weed? So all of the above justifies IP theft? The bolded definitely does not apply to me.

Somebody got time? I thought we were told there is no legal issue here?

The M, N and C are terrible.

Yeah but they're cheaper and he deserves one or three.

I've heard it but haven't personally seen it. Even a big place out here like Denver Autographs has the knockoffs for sale with autographs on them. It's more the throwbacks than anything current, but it's really a problem that's getting bigger. I don't understand why players would knowingly sign a knockoff considering they know what an authentic is because they wear them for their jobs. I would think overall that would bring the value of the signature down. I'd rather have them sign a well-made replica than a crappy knockoff authentic. I guess ultimately it just comes down to price. Most people don't care about true authentic jerseys as long as they can get a good deal on something else. I have to wonder though, if the market gets saturated with enough Chinese knockoff jerseys, will the price of the real authentics come down in order to compete. The store I saw out here had a bunch of Bears, Packers, Vikings, Browns, Steelers, and Dolphins knockoff jerseys all on a rack. All on "sale" for $59.99. This was the quality of them...which isn't bad, but you can tell it's a knockoff: NOTE - This is not a photo I took at the store. It is a photo I saw online that looks exactly like what I saw at the store...tags and all! The letters, numbers and logos on the jersey are a dead give away. The longer those jerseys are worn and the more they are washed the worse the quality gets. Also the stitching on the numbers and letters is not the correct (dare I say iconic) zig-zag pattern that we are used to seeing. Also, the athletes might not be signing those jerseys, the autographs could be fakes too.

wow. my God ,this grammar not good, you see:

I've heard it but haven't personally seen it.

No, they can get a cheap and poorly made knock-off of an expensive product at a reasonable price. My china counterfit supersonics jersey is fine material-wise. As for errors, the piping around the neck is orange instead of yellow but for $28 dollars, I'll take it. Call china counterfits whatever you want, but Brass summed it up perfectly. And as for fan, "thinking that they're entitled to a jersey for less money," that's not the case. It's more of, fans having an opportunity to purchase a jersey for significantly less, and although it's legal, feeling bad that they're ripping off a monopoly industry that make jerseys. So its all about the size of the company that you are "sticking it to" RBK or Nike is ok to screw but not "Ma and Pa's Jersey Shoppe"? What it seems to boil down to is: If you really, really, really want a jersey its ok to take part in and endorse (with your dollars) IP theft.

Who cares they're cheap and people deserve them... right?

FYP Nice try, but the problem will not be solved through legal means. That will only happen through economics. Either prices for authentics drop or demand fizzles for sports jerseys across the board - both scenarios would deprive the counterfeiters of their market. No court in the world has the power to strike down the basic laws of economics. It's that simple. You can cast aspersions on counterfeit buyers as much as you want, but it isn't going to stop anything. It's simple economics at work. Clearly it isn't a legal issue.

Moral of the thread: We are all entitled to own whatever we want and nobody has a right to set the amount you must pay them. Since it's wrong of them to deprive you of things you want, just steal anything you don't feel like paying for. Exactly. A jersey is a luxury item. You're not entitled to one. If you think the prices of the official product is to high don't buy it. If enough people don't buy official jerseys for this reason then the prices will drop. You're capable of effecting the market without supporting illegal activities such as ip theft. Except the thing is, you don't have the authority to tell people what they should and should not buy. Nice try, though. Lousy IceCap endorsing IP laws!

Moral of the thread: We are all entitled to own whatever we want and nobody has a right to set the amount you must pay them. Since it's wrong of them to deprive you of things you want, just steal anything you don't feel like paying for. Exactly. A jersey is a luxury item. You're not entitled to one. If you think the prices of the official product is to high don't buy them. If enough people don't buy them because of this the prices will drop. You're capable of effecting the market without supporting illegal activities such as ip theft. I would assume that it is the fakes market that are keeping the legit's prices up.

FYP

Moral of the thread... Who cares about IP theft and God help you if you speed... Especially in Maryland.

Of course there is. I'm sure with a quick Google search you could locate organizations whose sole mission is to combat this sort of thing and to report everything they can to the appropriate authorities. That doesn't mean that it's a big enough deal to have anything done about it, though. You could call the cops on someone driving over the speed limit, and you'd technically be right for reporting them. Whether they consider it a big enough deal to do anything about, is a different story. Again with the speeding?

But what's funny is that the same guy would find it pathetic that you posted about his jersey on a message board.

WASHINGTON The knockoff designer bags look close enough to the real thing that few would notice at a casual glance. Same goes for the imitation replica football jerseys or popular boots. And the online prices seem too good to pass up. But the products are fake and the websites selling them are breaking federal law by selling copies of high-end merchandise without giving credit or money to the real designers and creators. And while the products can look as good as the real thing, federal authorities warn that buying fake merchandise can be dangerous. "Not only is this is a direct threat to American innovation ... but it's also a public safety issue," Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton said Monday as he announced that the government had shut down 150 websites accused of selling counterfeit merchandise. Attorney General Eric Holder and Rebecca Blank, acting deputy Commerce secretary, are set to launch a campaign Tuesday at the White House to alert the public to the dangers of buying counterfeit goods. "This is increasingly not simply a matter of `mom and pop' violations at the corner of Fourth and Main," Morton said Monday. "We are worried about organized crime and (that profits) are going to fuel other criminal activity." Morton would not say if organized criminal groups are suspected of running any of the seized sites to help fund other criminal acts. Some counterfeit goods, including medications and electronics, can also pose a health risk, Morton said. Morton and Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who leads the Justice Department's criminal division, said Monday that in the latest crackdown authorities seized 150 website domain names where fake goods were being sold to unsuspecting bargain hunters. "This is straight crime," Morton said. "This is people being duped into buying a counterfeit." The federal government has seized the domain names of 350 websites since first targeting online counterfeiters in June 2010. Each investigation, Morton said, has grown. Visitors to the seized domains are now greeted with a message from federal authorities explaining that the site has been seized by the government and a warning that "willful copyright infringement is a federal crime." Morton and Breuer said while the domain names were registered in the United States, most of the websites were run from abroad, primarily in China. No one has been charged with a crime in connection with the most recently seized domains. But Breuer said the investigations are ongoing. Earlier this year five people were indicted in Virginia on conspiracy and copyright infringement charges for their roles in operating a website that the Justice Department said allowed people to illegally download high-quality movies and television shows. Four people accused of running NinjaVideo.net have pleaded guilty. A fifth person is being sought. It's unclear how much money the seized sites have made, or potentially cost legitimate companies. Breuer said since the crackdown on counterfeit sellers started last year, Internet users have gone to the seized domains more than 77 million times. "Typically we don't track the volumes of sales of these particular sites," Morton said, adding that criminal organizations often hide ill-gotten profits. "It is very large figures. Well, well above millions." Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/29/feds-set-to-launch-campaign-to-crack-down-on-sellers-fake-goods/#ixzz1f6fjKKHh

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anaheim-Ducks-10-Corey-Perry-Third-Black-Jersey-M-L-XL-XXL-NWT-/280771200991?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&var=&hash=item870e04072f

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the use of sarcasm? I understand. I was just pointing out that there was at best 1/3 of the annouced addentee in the actual stadium. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here and say that picture was taken during warmup, but there can't be more than 500 people in the seats right then. Unfortunately that pic is not from warm ups. Notice the position of the players on the ice, not to mention the refs. Sadly that is game action.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the use of sarcasm?