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I don't. Adding Georgia Tech is insanely stupid. *Big XII invites entire ACC membership with the exception of Florida State*

Hawaii's not in the Pacific Time Zone.

Unless they're doing a 5-2-1 schedule model, swap Nevada and New Mexico. The Lobos don't have any in-league rivals so they can round out the West division.

I am creating the science of dreams. Like the art of , anybody can weigh in at any time in hopes that their two cents (or usually about two sentences) are committed to the work we appreciate doing collectively for no reason. *Reports poster to Chinese authorities for recreational drug abuse.*

Iä! Shub-Niggurath! The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young!

"Act now, and we'll also throw in this parking lot!"

Yeah, that's pretty much what your posts come off as to me.

Yes, but they are a new Conference. That is what's more important. That they've been together is why their application will be approved, but it doesn't change the fact that THEY STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.

And it's approaching the 5 year anniversary and the NCAA was still saying no and this wasn't going to change any time soon. That's one of the underlying reasons why everybody bailed out of the Conference a few weeks ago-the WAC still has autobid status. And you ignored everything else I said. The Mountain West example is rather relevant here. And you've ignored all the rules that were posted, what's your point? The rules posted don't say a new Conference gets an autobid just by existing.

And it's approaching the 5 year anniversary and the NCAA was still saying no and this wasn't going to change any time soon. That's one of the underlying reasons why everybody bailed out of the Conference a few weeks ago-the WAC still has autobid status. And you ignored everything else I said. The Mountain West example is rather relevant here.

The NCAA's denial of AQ status for the Great West Conference kind of speaks for itself really. Not really. Yeah it does. That league was going to hit the criteria the NCAA wanted, and they still were refusing to fast track AQ status. Look, I'm not saying they will never get autobid status. I am saying that they won't get an autobid as soon as they are created because of existing. They will have to apply for one, and while they will likely get it, they likely will not get it in time for the inaugural season. See also: Inaugural Mountain West Conference basketball season. (UNLV and Utah did make the 2000 NCAA tournament, but as at larges).

The NCAA's denial of AQ status for the Great West Conference kind of speaks for itself really.

There is an important yet fine distinction at work here. This is not an existing Conference trying to keep an autobid. This is a new Conference applying to the NCAA for a new autobid. And that means there will be a waiting period before they get one. How long? Probably a season or so. They'll get one eventually, but the operative word is "eventually."

More than half of the Big East schools of the mid-to-late 2000s alignment played football on the Division I-A level; with those same members providing the bulk of the Big East's basketball strength and success. Additionally, the 2 of the 3 successful "basketball" schools also had I-AA football teams (Marquette is the one exception). It may have been run by the weaker basketball only members, but football did more than exist for the Big East. There are only 5 Big East schools that did not field football at any level. The issue was that these schools carried far more weight in terms of influence and power within the league than their success and money brought to the table merited and used that weight to further policies that were contrary to the interest of the football schools. If any school leaves, its a sign of instability for the Conference and could serve to break up the league further. As the cultural differences between a basketball only school and a normal Big Ten football power would be great, it is likely any marriage would fall apart to the detriment of the league. It's a very cautionary tale. One that some here would do well to remember.

At least your citing something sid. However, I still read on different articles googled (espn, sporting news, etc) from the announcement of their departure in December that they do indeed get to keep it and the Big East would need to re-apply for one, though that it was more than likely to be approved. Not disagreeing with the notion that don't keep it, but I'm just not seeing it actually stated anywhere that they, the actual "Catholic 7" and not just a general rule, don't get to keep it. If it is, please show me where. I'm just trying to get the actual facts straight. The autobid is tied to the Conference. Not any members or groups of members that choose to exit en masse. Once it became apparent they would not be able to kill the Big East, whatever slim chance they had of bringing an instant autobid with them went out the window. This isn't like a divorce where assets get to be parceled out by a judge. This is the dumbass kid storming out of the house and turning his back on it with only the clothes on his back. As was put out there by numerous sources, any group of at least 7 schools that have been together for at least 5 years can retain an automatic bid. Now, other factors, such as what dfwabel posted, may prevent them from keeping it, but you seem to just be going with your own personal opinion as fact. What did the (secondary) media sources cite as basis for their statements? Media can and has gotten stuff wrong in relation to this because research is for pussies. And this is not opinion, I've seen it cited elsewhere from people who do, do research.

You'd think folks would have learned from the self-destruction of the Big East, but to answer your question, there is no financial benefit that outweighs the structural instability that comes from a football league adding members who don't get this football thing.

At least your citing something sid. However, I still read on different articles googled (espn, sporting news, etc) from the announcement of their departure in December that they do indeed get to keep it and the Big East would need to re-apply for one, though that it was more than likely to be approved. Not disagreeing with the notion that don't keep it, but I'm just not seeing it actually stated anywhere that they, the actual "Catholic 7" and not just a general rule, don't get to keep it. If it is, please show me where. I'm just trying to get the actual facts straight. The autobid is tied to the Conference. Not any members or groups of members that choose to exit en masse. Once it became apparent they would not be able to kill the Big East, whatever slim chance they had of bringing an instant autobid with them went out the window. This isn't like a divorce where assets get to be parceled out by a judge. This is the dumbass kid storming out of the house and turning his back on it with only the clothes on his back.

They are verylegitimate. They carry an auto-bid and could very easily add at least 3 teams to get to 10, probably to 12, even if they may only need to get to 8. Most of them are already high quality basketball programs in major markets and potential new schools could also add more markets. I don't know too much about tv contracts and all that, but as far as the success of the new conference, I'd say they have a pretty good outlook. No they don't. At least for year 1. And I suspect the fee has far more to do with Fox being absolutely desperate for content (any content!) rather than any real sign of fan interest, because the days of major basketball-only Conferences commanding national attention have passed. Oh, BTW Proskauer Rose is apparently helping to represent these jokers. Don't expect major strides in student/athlete rights out of this Conference. Where have you heard they don't retain the bid? All I've heard is that as a group of 7 schools who have been together for 5 years, they retain an automatic bid. You heard wrong. The bid stays with the Big East Conference; they'd have to apply to get one from the NCAA, so there would be a year or more in which they didn't have the auto-bid.

They are verylegitimate. They carry an auto-bid and could very easily add at least 3 teams to get to 10, probably to 12, even if they may only need to get to 8. Most of them are already high quality basketball programs in major markets and potential new schools could also add more markets. I don't know too much about tv contracts and all that, but as far as the success of the new conference, I'd say they have a pretty good outlook. No they don't. At least for year 1. And I suspect the fee has far more to do with Fox being absolutely desperate for content (any content!) rather than any real sign of fan interest, because the days of major basketball-only Conferences commanding national attention have passed. Oh, BTW Proskauer Rose is apparently helping to represent these jokers. Don't expect major strides in student/athlete rights out of this Conference.

Michigan State's "resurgence" had a lot to do with Jim Tressel steering some Ohio recruits to his former assistant Dantonio/not recruiting them for OSU, as well as Michigan's collapse in the late 2000s. Neither factor is in play at the moment. Sparty's going to continue to come back down to mediocrity, so if you're going to go East-West with 15 and 16, just draw the split at the Indiana/Wisconsin state borders.

So the Conference USA teams get something. Good for them. What do the MWC schools, who would need to vote the Conference USA schools in, gain from this again?

You're going to have a hard time convincing the MWC's core old guard to go to 16-the size of the WAC was why they bailed to form the MWC in the first place.

Ummm....Valpo's Lutheran (generic).

Boston has no business in a league with aspirations towards basketball greatness.