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  1. 18 minutes ago, daveindc said:

    Orioles moving seems unthinkable, but rumors are already circulating. We'll see what happens when Angelos sells the team and the lease is up in a couple years.


    I'm sure a local buyer will emerge or the lease will be re-upped at some point.


    18 minutes ago, daveindc said:

    That's what they said about the Colts.


    ...which is why I doubt Baltimore lets it happen again.


    10 minutes ago, NicDB said:

    Even being the #2 team in Chicago (albeit with history dating back to the 19th century) is still better than being #1 in any place that could realistically host a team. 


    That's ultimately the argument for why the Clippers will never leave Greater Los Angeles. When you're in a top 5 media market, it's hard to leave.

  2. 2 minutes ago, daveindc said:


    My bold prediction is Portland and Vegas will get the two expansion teams (if the A's don't move to either). Montreal will get the Rays and Nashville will get the O's. The White Sox will look to move to Charlotte in 10 years after the city refuses them another stadium. Thoughts?


    I don't think the Orioles will be in any true danger of moving, which also applies to the White Sox. The Trop's lease will prevent a move for some time, sadly.

  3. I’ve seen how ridiculous the Mariners’ travel schedule is compared to the rest of MLB, which prompted me to make that observation.

    Besides, building a Seattle-Portland rivalry will ultimately make the Mariners more money in the long run, so their potential objections just come across as short-sighted (a phrase one could use for an organization that hasn’t made the playoffs since 2001). 

  4. 3 hours ago, lordsketor said:



    Today was also the day that I listened to Crime in Sports' hilarious (and very revealing) episode on Nate "The Kitchen" Newton.




    What does it reveal about this Cowboys legend (to me, a novice in the realm)? Well:

    • a dogfighting incident
    • a Frehley-ian knack for crashing cars
    • his history of domestic violence (including one time where he nearly shot his kid while assaulting his pregnant wife)
    • how he and the other Cowboys used the term "whores" as a blanket term for women
    • maybe being involved in some White House shenanigans (not the DC one, the one that was the team's sex dungeon)
    • was not very discreet in his dealings
    • has three horrifying sandwiches named after him at the Coppell Deli (ingredients here, look at your own discretion)

    It was a glorious day of Cowboys embarrassment. It also convinced me to get Boys will be Boys on Audible.


    On the topic of this season, I'm not expecting the Niners to truly be good. Call it intuition.


  5. 10 hours ago, MattMill said:

    Slippery slope but do you guys live amongst native Americans? I happen to. Many wear wahoo and Redskins gear. I get more 'nice hat' from native Americans than anyone else while wearing wahoo. It's always the white dudes I know who say 'that's racist'. Odd generalizations. But it works both ways. 


    Well, there is this American Psychological Association study, which says that Little Red Sambo and the Washington NFL club negatively impact the mental health of marginalized peoples. Here's a basic summary from the article.



    Research has shown that the continued use of American Indian mascots, symbols, images and personalities has a negative effect on not only American Indian students but all students by: 

    • Undermining the educational experiences of members of all communities-especially those who have had little or no contact with indigenous peoples. The symbols, images and mascots teach non-Indian children that it's acceptable to participate in culturally abusive behavior and perpetuate inaccurate misconceptions about American Indian culture.
    • Establishes an unwelcome and often times hostile learning environment for American Indian students that affirms negative images/stereotypes that are promoted in mainstream society.

    According to Stephanie Fryberg, PhD, University of Arizona, this appears to have a negative impact on the self-esteem of American Indian children, "American Indian mascots are harmful not only because they are often negative, but because they remind American Indians of the limited ways in which others see them. This in turn restricts the number of ways American Indians can see themselves."

    • Undermines the ability of American Indian Nations to portray accurate and respectful images of their culture, spirituality and traditions. Many American Indians report that they find today's typical portrayal of American Indian culture disrespectful and offensive to their spiritual beliefs.
    • Presents stereotypical images of American Indians. Such mascots are a contemporary example of prejudice by the dominant culture against racial and ethnic minority groups.
    • Is a form of discrimination against American Indian Nations that can lead to negative relations between groups.


    That's kind of damning, I'd say. Anyway, enough of this topic.

  6. People like you find it easy
    Naked to see
    Walking on air
    Hunting by the rivers, through the streets, every corner
    Abandoned too soon
    Set down with due care
    Don't walk away in silence
    Don't walk away
    (the best instrumental part of the song follows, then it ends)

  7. 9 minutes ago, MattMill said:

    Slippery slope but do you guys live amongst native Americans? I happen to. Many wear wahoo and Redskins gear. I get more 'nice hat' from native Americans than anyone else while wearing wahoo. It's always the white dudes I know who say 'that's racist'. Odd generalizations. But it works both ways. 


    Just talk to @BeerGuyJordan to hear that approval of Native American mascots isn't common in first nations communities.


    Even if one disapproves, it has to go, IMHO.

  8. 8 minutes ago, the admiral said:

    Too many years are in the books for the Cleveland Indians not to be the Cleveland Indians anymore. Last chance to change was probably 1945, 1960 at the latest. The charter teams are all set in stone now. Wahoo is gone, that's as good as it'll get. 


    I don't think so. Now that Wahoo is gone, the name is next on the agenda. You can't placate the anti-Native American mascot crowd forever.


    It's not like they have the success of the Braves to justify keeping it. Outside of a run in the '40s and '50s, as well as the '95-'01 teams and the blips of recent success, they haven't been a storied club. Their most recent title was in 1948. Unlike the Cubs, the "lovable loser" branding doesn't apply to Cleveland. They've been irrelevant, postseason chokers, and penny-pinchers for generations. For that alone, maybe dumping the brand is a good idea. 


    Mac the Knife put it best:


    On 9/7/2018 at 10:31 AM, Mac the Knife said:

    If you're going to blow it up, blow it all the way up.  


    Cleveland Spiders.  Purple, black and orange color scheme - mix some Colorado Rockies with a little Baltimore Orioles.


    I grew up in Indians territory.  The team hasn't won a WS in 70 years.  Their history is such that it caused the "Major League" movies to be made.  Go ahead.  Blow it up and start anew.  What do you have to lose?


    I don't really agree with his solution, but he made his points very well. 

  9. Somehow the caveman stuff is worse than Wahoo. That and it's so '70s that each cap comes with a copy of Elton John's Rush Job Caribou on 8-track.




    Like I've said before, unless they reach out to a tribe to help them with a design, a better course of action would be to rebrand entirely. 

  10. 2 minutes ago, the admiral said:

    I thought crunk was early 2000s, like after Outkast got big but before Kanye West pioneered talking about your feelings all the time.


    I'm sure it was, but I felt that the "krunk" sentiment as related to the suburbanites matched well with Mike Myers playing an out-of-touch father trying to connect with Seth Green playing a "young cool guy." 

  11. 16 minutes ago, the admiral said:


    Krunk Wolverines II: Gettin' Krunker




    Speaking of material from 1997, I'd like to see the Rays keep the '90s throwbacks as a permanent part of their wardrobe. If they keep playing at The Trop, they need to look as bright as possible to combat the dinginess of that building.

  12. The one Jesse Alkire concept series I really liked was his "Why Wahoo (and the Cleveland Indians' entire brand) is so awful" set: Link



    Being that my attitude towards the Cleveland AL club is "rebrand entirely," I got a kick out of it. I will say that the "Orientals" one could also work if it looked like this:




    Ultimately, the "inferior other" archetype is a disgusting one, one that needed to go away ages ago. Since the Cleveland AL club tied up so much of their identity (in the "branding age" - where the name will always come with that henious logo) into one, I stand by eliminating the name. 

  13. 2 hours ago, NicDB said:

    Didn't someone have a concept where they tweaked the Braves name to reference fire fighters and replaced the tomahawk with a fireman's axe? 


    My concept was to do the whole "rising from the ashes" thing with Firebirds (hot take: Sherman burning down the city was the best thing that ever could have happened to it, as the rebuilding helped turn it into one of the biggest metropoles in the former Confederacy). I figured that it'd be nice if all of the Atlanta teams had a bird-themed name, especially one that's so appropriate for the city? Simply swap the navy for black and add some yellow-gold accents. 


    If we wanted to stay local, I guess you could also use a train theme (Terminus being the original name of the city) or something music-related. Then again, the team plays in a suburb sequestered away from "scary" urban Atlanta, so I'm not sure how comfortable the team would be honoring the "hippity-hop playas." 


    47 minutes ago, the admiral said:

    What is that Rockies script? How do you have little Western flourishes on cursive writing? Feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.


    You see what I mean when I keep seeing his work pop up as a viable rebrand? It's overdesigned and downright goofy. Like I said up front, I'm not a fan of Phoenix Design Works' efforts on the Rockies, but those are still better than Jesse Alkire's work. 

  14. Just now, Buc said:





    Off topic: Dairanger is a wonderful Sentai series - a must-watch (it's in full on Shout Factory's streaming service). Kazu isn't exactly one of my favorite yellow senshi. That honor goes to the amazing Sara of Flashman! Fansubs (good ones, too - none of the hacky stuff) have finally wrapped up on that one, so go check it out.




    Back to the Padres: a yellow-gold jersey would be a fantastic addition to any brown/yellow set. It's not like the taco bell caps or yellow pants/socks/sanitaries are coming back, so it won't be tacky '70s design. 

  15. 8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    -the Red Sox ditch navy and move to forest green to match the green monster and mascot




    8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    -the Twins adopt the Wild's color scheme


    Maybe, but still nope.


    8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    -the Angels add navy back into the mix on uniforms


    A navy alt or a '60s/'90s-style hat would be nice, but it isn't necessary 


    8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    -the A's switch to kelly green


    I could go for that!


    8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    -the Rockies basically use Jesse Alkire's concept


    Ugh, not that overdesigned garbage with the wavy pinstripes, barely any color contrast, a full dark green uniform (pants and all), taco bell-style front panels, and a generally goofy aesthetic.


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    The scripts and the new "CR" are OK, but they lack the "power" of a slab-serif or other design, while also missing the brand equity of the current brand (say what you want about it, but they picked a look and largely stuck with it).




    It would be a downgrade.


    8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    -the Royals utilize gold in their uniforms more


    Yeah, leave that to the alternates.


    8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    and lastly

    -the Marlins go all-in on Miami Vice


    That's a terrible idea without repairing their current art assets. 


    8 hours ago, itsmb8 said:

    Also, if the Indians are forced to rebrand, the Braves have to as well.


    I'd love for both of those to happen, with preference towards Cleveland if only one can.