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There's still the whole... incident that Tallahassee PD and state attorney covered up.

I’m enjoying my detours into deep internet research, rebuilding my Lego collection, and catching up on shows/movies I missed. I’ve gotten more joy out of this stuff than anything sports-related in the past few years. Why watch the Giants flounder under Gabe Kaplan when I can read tales about a delightful engineering failure?

I'm disappointed the ball pit wasn't made into a logo.

Or, letting your agent run your social media accounts.

They couldn’t even get anybody interested in a near-mint condition Joe Thornton.

Thanks! I'll tweak the primary to more resemble the tertiary design. Thank you! SAN ANTONIO REBELDES - Fiesta Fury It was tough to come up with a Spanish-language alternative to Missions. Texas (well, San Antonio anyway) is a relatively pluralistic region when it comes to the Hispanic population (39.7% of Hispanic descent in the state and 60.7% in Bexar County).1 Since the Astros name isn't technically Spanish and the Rangers celebrate an organization known for discriminating against Mexican-Americans, it would make sense to have a Spanish-language sobriquet in Texas. Rebeldes made sense as a name since it honored the Tejanos (Texans of Mexican descent) who fought in the Texas Revolution, most notably at the Battle of the Alamo. The logo emulates a Tejano rebel. With regards to the colors, I opted to include the "Fiesta" colors with black. Since Fiesta San Antonio honors the Texas Revolution, it made more sense than doing it for the Spurs. I've gone on rants about why the Spurs shouldn't use Fiesta (TL;DR: it goes against the organization's culture under coach Popovich), but it should be fair game for other clubs in the city. The font is the same one from the Missions, with black outlines and fiesta interiors. The secondary logo follows this pattern. I also threw in a roundel, for black backgrounds. The uniforms use a modified version of FenwayParkJF for the cursive scripts. Said scripts have teal strokes with an insert of the fiesta colors. Striping features color blocks of fiesta colors with black outlines, which also appear on the socks. The Wyoming font returns for the numbers. There are also sand road uniforms, a la the Padres. The alternates include both teal and black jerseys. The teal set has a teal-billed cap, while the black top has fiesta lettering for the insignia and numbers. That second set of alternates has a teal-billed cap with the home uniform, alongside a vintage design. Said vintage alternate carried over from the Missions design. The primary jacket modifies the road script to have a free-standing fiesta tail, while stripes appear throughout the design. The vintage outerwear carries over from the Missions piece. Los Rebeldes can be a fantastic look, using local culture to set them apart from the rest of MLB. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up in the next batch, we have updates, a long-awaited rant about a particular fandom, and a few fictional clubs! 1 “U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts: Texas,” accessed July 5, 2020, https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/bexarcountytexas,TX/RHI725219.

I'm really loving the collection! 1. & 2.: I do prefer the font on 1. and the colors of 2. A narrower "S," with the horizontal points above the letters as well would be the best option. Both logos labeled 3.: I prefer the second variation and second @jwinters' idea to remove the beveling. It's not really needed. I'd love to see how it'd look in navy/teal/silver, since those are my preferred Mariners colors. 4. It's a bit too abstract for me. I appreciate the idea, but it doesn't read like an "S." 5. This interpretation of the city flag, mixed with a baseball into an "S," is a fantastic abstract design. Might I suggest making the two teal parts closer, so it reads more as an "S?" 6. and 7. Making the "S" parts solid doesn't really work for me. It feels too '70s/'80s for me. 8. I second @vtgco's idea to add an outline between the wheel and the ball, while using modern colors. I'd also extend the length of the white parts, to help it read as an "S." I'm curious to see where this will go. Good work here!

In order of my preference: Spiders Dobys (for Larry Doby, the most important player in team history - the first African-American in the AL who is so unfairly ignored) Forests Commodores Guardians Rocks/Rockers Barons (the old NHL name, just ask the Sharks or Stars or the NHL for the trademark) Owls (just because it'd be nice for one Big Four team to have that name) Founders (for being a founding franchise of the American League)

My problem with the logo is that it's way too complex (a portrait, more or less) and doesn't translate well to social media avatar applications. The Blackhawks' crest is less complex. The spear would've been a lovely replacement for a "Warriors" team, but FSU's continued existence means that Washington NFL won't adopt it. This is why I'd suggest Redtails or one of the many Warriors concepts on the board.

Nah, Cleveland AL will come first.

Florida Man has nothing on Arizona Man. Arizona Man is basically the evil Florida Man, albeit with less “lol random” antics.

Thanks, guys! Sorry I couldn't get back to the thread sooner. I got distracted with another video project, this one on Social "I'm a careerist" Repose! Link in spoiler: Anyway, I'll be updating the Twisters soon. The black in the tornado made it look weird, as it was a leftover of my original plan for the design - meet Twisty the Tornado! I held onto it for too long. Now it's my sleep paralysis demon. Thanks! Oh, I firmly agree with you there with the Sonics nastiness. I picked those colors because they look so close to the Marlins' eventual color scheme and I wanted to prove that they could look pretty good in a baseball context. I'd like to think they do. Preferably, the Sonics don't move in this timeline, leaving OKC with the Hornets (who change their name to the Thunder and let the Bobcats take the name - whereupon they screw up the design because Michael Jaundice) and the Marlins. New Orleans would be like hockey Atlanta, except without the weirdos trying to argue how it could work. I know there are plenty of people who defend the NBA's presence in NOLA, but I'm not one of them. It's basically when all the settlers came rolling into Oklahoma, so it's got a massive local significance. It's also why I included the Survivor Tree, the most notable landmark that could work on the dreamcatcher logo. SAN ANTONIO MISSIONS - The Tan Directive (Pictured: Judge Nelson Wolff, the deadline man) Out of all of the possible destinations for the Marlins, this one had the most clout and activity behind it. This story starts on Opening Day (April 4) 2006 when a San Antonio contingent (lead by Mayor Phil Hardberger, Bexar County Judge Nelson Wolff, and District Attorney Susan Reed) joined Loria and Samson in the owner’s box at Minute Maid Park.1 Statements from both Loria and Samson supported their interest in the market, such as these: Bexar County even had a plan in mind for a $310 million venue, with the city paying $200 million of it by extending the hotel and car rental taxes used to fund the AT&T Center. The county also demanded that local ownership, such as investors like former Vikings owner Red McCombs, be part of the deal. It seemed that this initial interest could carry over into a serious relationship. A follow-up visit by DA Reed also gave credence to a San Antonio move.5 San Antonio made their deadlines for interest clear. Bexar County had an August 15th deadline to get the tax extension measures on the November ballot. Judge Wolff demanded that the team commit to a relocation plan by May 15th.6 This deadline would put pressure on the Marlins and MLB to either make a serious commitment to San Antonio or attempt to get something done in South Florida. Ultimately, the San Antonio talk and the additional visits to cities forced the hand of Miami-Dade County, leading to the first stages in Marlins Park’s conception. The Marlins missed their May 15th deadline, firmly illustrating that San Antonio was, like OKC, Portland, Las Vegas, and Charlotte, a mere ploy to get things done in South Florida.7 San Antonio missed out on hosting an MLB club, which put an end to much of their Big Four ambitions outside of the Spurs. Since the construction of the Alamodome in 1992, the city had played host to preseason and regular-season games. However, San Antonio missed on the ‘95 expansion and on possible relocations (the most notable being the Saints pre-Katrina). The Marlins playing the city was just a repeat of that same scenario. Local skepticism had set in during the Marlins’ ploy, with county officials interpreting the club’s silence as a sign of disinterest in the market. There was ultimately no way that the Marlins would sacrifice the No. 17 media market for the No. 37 market.8 In the end, San Antonio forced the Marlins to back up their interests with a legitimate plan, and the Marlins failed to do it. It demonstrated that the Marlins never had any real interest in moving away from South Florida while representing San Antonio’s frustration at being “dicked around” by the Big Four. Instead of pursuing teams, the city could focus on itself.9 However, what if the Marlins? What if San Antonio became the third Texas MLB team? I picked the Missions sobriquet, as it was the longest-lasting minor league identity in the city. It only made sense to promote the name to MLB with the Marlins’ arrival. The design revolves around two colors, black and tan. The tan is the flat version of the “metallic gold” used by several teams (see my Knights concept). I based the primary logo around this photograph of the Alamo. The font is Stengkol, condensed to work on a jersey front. Their cap logo is the secondary, while the tertiary is a combination of a home plate, the Alamo facade, and the San Antonio flag (a somewhat underappreciated design, IMO). The uniforms follow a pretty basic template, with black/tan/black sleeve and trouser trim. Tan letters with black outlines emphasize how the team can “own” that color (like the current Missions should) The socks have two tan stripes, tying into the cap logo. The numerals are from the Wyoming font, as Stengkol’s numbers look terrible. The alternates include a black jersey with the “SA” insignia on the chest, a tan-brimmed cap, and the tertiary on the sleeve. The heritage design emulates the Missions circa 1991, when Pedro Martinez played for the team. I opted not to use that version of the interlocking “SA,” as it reminded me too much of the ASU baseball logo. The jackets are simple designs derived from their respective identity packages. I didn’t want to use white outlines on the retro outerwear, but since the originals had them, I opted to insert them. Much like the Spurs, San Antonio baseball can have a minimalist design that doesn’t try to do anything that crazy. C+C is much appreciated, as always! Up next, what if San Antonio had a more… radical design? 1 Brian McTaggart, “Marlins Get Cozier with San Antonio - City’s Political Leaders Meet with Franchise Owner at Minute Maid Park,” Houston Chronicle, April 4, 2006, sec. SPORTS; Tom Orsborn, “S.A. Makes First Pitch to Marlins Owner,” San Antonio Express-News, April 4, 2006, sec. A Section. 2 Brian McTaggart, “Marlins Get Cozier with San Antonio - City’s Political Leaders Meet with Franchise Owner at Minute Maid Park,” Houston Chronicle, April 4, 2006, sec. SPORTS. 3 McTaggart. 4 Barry Jackson, “San Antonio `Very Viable,’ Loria Says,” Miami Herald, The, April 12, 2006, sec. Sports. 5 Jaime Castillo, “D.A.’s Trip to the Ball Game Revives Talk of Reed Relieving Wolff,” San Antonio Express-News, April 8, 2006, sec. Metro and State News; Barry Jackson, “Marlins Get a Serious Suitor,” Miami Herald, The, March 9, 2006, sec. Front; Tom Orsborn, “S.A. Makes First Pitch to Marlins Owner,” San Antonio Express-News, April 4, 2006, sec. A Section. 6 Tom Orsborn, “Wolff Ponders Setting Deadline for the Marlins,” San Antonio Express-News, April 5, 2006, sec. Sports; Tom Orsborn, “Wolff Plans to Give Marlins a Deadline,” San Antonio Express-News, April 16, 2006, sec. Sports; Tom Orsborn, “Marlins Told to ‘Fish or Cut Bait,’” San Antonio Express-News, April 18, 2006, sec. A Section; Tom Orsborn, “Hopes Fade in Pursuit of Marlins,” San Antonio Express-News, April 19, 2006, sec. Sports. 7 Jackson, “San Antonio `Very Viable,’ Loria Says”; Tom Orsborn, “Marlins Tout S.A. at Home,” San Antonio Express-News, April 12, 2006, sec. Sports; Sarah Talalay, “Still Looking for Commitment - Visits to Other Cities on Hold, for Now.,” Sun Sentinel, April 11, 2006, sec. SPORTS; Sarah Talalay, “`Reenergized’ Loria Strikes Positive Note - Owner: San Antonio `serious,’ but MLB Prefers South Florida,” Sun Sentinel, April 12, 2006, sec. SPORTS; Steven Wine, “Another Setback in Marlins’ Ballpark Bid,” Associated Press Archive, May 6, 2006. 8 Ray Buck, “Skeptics Ask Why, Not When,” Fort Worth Star-Telegram, April 21, 2006, sec. Sports; Richard Oliver, “City Carries Weight in Franchise Dealin,” San Antonio Express-News, May 7, 2006, sec. Sports; Orsborn, “Hopes Fade in Pursuit of Marlins.” 9 Richard Oliver, “It’s Time for S.A. to Focus on Itself,” San Antonio Express-News, March 18, 2007, sec. Sports.

Dark royal, like the Islanders use, is the perfect compromise of the shades.

Purple pinstripes are the Rockies' thing. Besides, I much prefer patterned trim to pinstripes when it comes to the Diamondbacks. It's why the purple alternate was so wonderful. They don't need pinstripes. Heck, I'd argue that the Rockies should eschew pinstripes at some point.

Got ya covered there too! I'm not as big a fan of it as the purple, since the purple coincided with the team's best moment (2001) and has the benefit of being a fan favorite. The original turquoise with brick red and copper does look pretty good to me, provided that turquoise is the primary color.