C-Squared

On 11/3/2017 at 1:34 PM, mcrosby said:

The saga of the constantly stolen Navy logo just escalated.

Well, we know they have the budget to pay off a settlement.

On 12/14/2017 at 11:23 AM, shaydre1019 said:

 

To be fair, the new Nike uniforms look to be much better quality. The old legit replicas/authentics were very cheap looking; very shiny/dazzly, big and loose. Nike replicas looks significantly different; more structured, so i'm sure there was a learning curve for counterfeiters when they came into the nfl picture.  

So i don't think you were necessarily wrong, i think fakes used to look more like the legit replicas. 

I have always viewed it the other way around. I dont think I ever saw a passable Reebok-era fake because bootleggers never got the sheen of those jerseys quite right. I could tell a fake Bledsoe-era Bills jersey from a mile away, but the current set actually takes me a second when I see them at games because light seems to hit the materials more accurately.

27 minutes ago, MCM0313 said:

There's probably a place for piping and side panels on football uniforms. Certainly not for most teams though, and I'm not entirely clear on where that place is, but there probably is one.

Before it was wildly overdone by schools nationwide, I thought the Broncos 97 set was really creative and well-designed.

9 hours ago, pepis21 said:

He never play in the NHL (was a coach), so seeing him in a game jersey is awkward:

The Hawks entered the decade with Dominik Hasek & Ed Belfour coached by Vladislav Tretiak... Chicago should have been a dynasty in the 90's.

14 hours ago, Pabig said:

I really miss the 2002-2010 Buffalo Bills uniforms. They were a thing of beauty.

Gonna need an explanation for this one!

This one is interesting, more of a custom than a fake... the seller claims it was a team prototype, but the 2002 Nike Team Canada base says otherwise... still makes for a cool era mashup:

6 hours ago, Sidney said:

I have a question, why not leave them use it and then report it? I mean this is 100% the same, so they'll pay the damages etc... I had this question in mind as I don't know what to do, leave them use it etc and attack.

Financial restitution in these situations is tough because civil court requires proof of both wrongdoing and resulting damages... especially dealing with a public school... a simple cease and desist is probably most realistic.

I frequent thrift stores and I would say literally 95% of the Nike-era NFL jerseys I find are fake... the weird thing is how every jersey seems off in its own way - some have bad flywire, some have bad NFL logo chips, some are the completely wrong color... I guess the counterfeiters aren't as close to nailing it as I used to think.

On 8/4/2017 at 4:59 PM, rjrrzube said:

Probably late to this discussion, but I liked the LA bolt that the Chargers used for all of 2 days (or whatever it was). I really don't get all the Twitterverse hate for it. 

 

But to each his own ... 

I think the fact that they did not properly communicate the role of this logo killed it before it even had a chance... a lot of people thought this logo was going to appear on the helmet as opposed to merch only. Online designers did great jobs with minorly tweaked designs, though.

I have recently learned to sew a zig-zag pattern and plan on stitching custom hockey jerseys this summer... this will be one of the first I make. Right city, wrong team?

11 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

The following years jerseys were soooo much better (the ones with white numbers in the same style - pre giant shoulder Elvis version). 

 

Single color white tv numbers looked like a cheap afterthought. 

Sorta teetered into Bills territory, but the change to the red facemask was a home run

On 6/24/2017 at 10:23 PM, johnnysama said:

 

 

 

 

 

I have always loved those USC numbers, would love to see a team like the Titans bring them back to the NFL

On 6/20/2017 at 11:39 PM, The Six said:

The Buffaslug is misunderstood genius.

A creative direction that failed to attract the younger fans it targeted while simultaneously alienating and embarrassing its proud, diehard fan base... I have seen this before...

4 hours ago, WavePunter said:

This Oriole bird looks like it was drawn by the artists of Beavis and Butthead..

I am Corn-Oriole!

I will see myself out.

On 4/29/2017 at 11:53 AM, The Six said:

ESPN is a far cry from being a failure. Let's not turn this into some fad where we just post whatever's cool to hate on at the moment.

He's right, guys.

*Deletes sidneycrosbybrainlogo.jpg*

On 4/10/2017 at 4:00 PM, SabresRule7361 said:

Dominik Hasek

 

 

The rarest Hasek jersey there is! Only worn in the 2nd half of his last season in Buffalo... sold my old used one for $350 right before his number was retired

On 4/4/2017 at 9:14 PM, Chromatic said:

Ugh, I never realized the old Sabres jerseys had their primary logo as a shoulder patch as well. Yikes.

Redundant as it might be, the current set feels empty with no shoulder patch at all... would love to see the B-Sword make a comeback

The funny thing is, the Bills always fauxback that font onto their retail 90s jersey instead of the diagonal 2 he wore all but one year of his career.

I'm sure this was posted already, but:

I saw a still-vacant building in Central NY with all the signs still intact and it made me nostalgic for binging NFL2K1 on the store Dreamcast

I wouldn't close the door on completely original logos, but the Navy logo is obviously built off existing IP.

**Disclaimer: business teacher on snow day #2**

I have looked at this issue from both sides for a long time. It bothers me that most (literally 80%+) jerseys I see at NFL games are fake, but, honestly, I get it. 15 years ago, replica jerseys retailed for $45 and have more than doubled in price since. Increases in quality and inflation don't justify that spike in cost. The NFL created the counterfeit market by grossly inflating the value of their own intellectual property. Nobody was buying fakes in the late 90's because the real ones were affordable and nobody was making fakes because the margins were too low.

Authentic-style jerseys were available in the 90s, but the prices were sky high (via JC Penney, as low as $150 for a screen-printed Bills jersey, but as high as $410 for a Steelers jersey). However, demand was so low that the hypothetical production costs and high quality seemed to justify the high prices. In my opinion, when the authentic jersey market took off, Reebok and Mitchell & Ness got greedy, overcharged, and gave the counterfeit game life. Reebok was reasonable with $65 replicas that were objectively nicer than prior Champion & Puma offerings. People weren't as keen on dropping $2-300+ on an authentic, though. $100 EQT jerseys helped bridge the gap, but once Nike swooped in and made $100 the minimum, it was game on.

The new low-quality $80 screened Nike jerseys feel like a backhanded, "too little, too late" attempt to level off prices. Patrice O'Neal had a great bit about how shoe companies skyrocket prices and then offer minor discounts to trick consumers into feeling thrifty. That trick doesn't work when alternatives exist at an 80% discount. I seriously doubt the average person cares about the quality gap or "robbing" the financially bloated institution of professional football enough to take food off their child's plate and respect the NFL's overvaluation of its own intellectual property with unjustifiably high-priced apparel.

Then again, for all I know, NFL merch sales are at an all-time high and knockoffs are a drop-in-the-bucket-sized amount of collateral damage. The NFL seems awfully fixated on the counterfeit market, though...

In short, NFL:Counterfeiters::USA:Al-Qaeda

Anyways, sorry, I'll be back in school tomorrow.

On 11/20/2016 at 8:03 AM, Roger Clemente said:

But three things take the cake for me...

 

1. The local supermarket, back in January, had various Super Bowl promotions on snacks and sodas. At their take-out counter where you can buy wings and pizzas and stuff, they had like 8 NFL jerseys hanging over the counter, and ALL of them were fakes.

 

2. Glace Bay has a very tiny mall. It is an actual indoor mall that has like 10 stores max. One of them is a sports memorabilia store that sells autographed pictures and bobbleheads and even old video games too. They also sell dozens of "New Era" hats, and none of them are legitimate. There is a second store that's kind of like a bargain store of designer stuff that also sells only knockoff sports stuff.

 

3. The fact this group exists that caters to my hometown region and nobody in the group are none the wiser:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/dcetscbb/

 

I'd like to put it on notice, but anytime I've ever said anything about knockoffs before, most people are just like "who the f cares?" 

Agreed! My lone moral issue with fakes is when people dupe buyers into thinking they're real. If someone does research and nabs a quality knockoff (rare as they may be) at 1/5th the price, laissez faire. Mass-flipping fakes for a 5x profit on unsuspecting buyers is another story. Regardless, I would sooner buy a fitted game-used 90's jersey of a nobody on eBay for $50-100 than a $100 barrel-bodied Nike replica any day.

On 2/1/2017 at 11:32 AM, FinsUp1214 said:

Two random ones:

 

1) Of all the Flying Elvis uniforms, this one looks best to me (even with the mismatched number color):

 

I have always found this uniform fascinating. We will never see this major an overhaul spiral into a one-off uniform... the number font seems ahead of its time in hindsight. I would love to see this uniform brought back as a quirky alternate/throwback on a night to, say, add Drew Bledsoe to the Pats' Ring of Honor.

On 12/30/2016 at 11:02 PM, Chico said:

Found this New Jersey Devils jersey on ebay today. I believe the Devils introduced these logos in 1996. They were mainly used for promoting the Devils Den merchandise catalog but do remember having a hat with the shoulder logo on it. 

A #6 Miro Satan Devils jersey would have been the best-selling jersey of all time.

On 12/22/2016 at 2:36 PM, Morgo said:

 

One thing I liked about the 'Slug' was that it made gold more prominent, making the logo really stand out on a Navy background.  The updated shoulder logos looked sharp as well, particularly the gold-heavy version.  Unfortunately, that is where I run out of good things to say.  Even if the logo resembled a Buffalo, instead of a Banana Slug, it would still be saddled to one of the most idiosyncratic templates ever devised.  It was appropriate for those uniforms to usher in the 'RBK Edge' travesty that ruined so many great looks.  

I would love to see this return on an alternate jersey:

22 minutes ago, Cosmic said:

Anything you're doing to supplant the classic logo is a misguided start. That old alt logo was interesting, but it felt and feels empty. I bought my wife one a million years ago, and the result of that logo in real life is that there's a lot of empty space. You're staring at a sea of black (or blue, in this case) twill where the buffalo should be. There's no need to slice and dice a great logo into its constituent parts; you end up with less than what you started with. The Gestalt theory of logo design.

I would argue the enlarged swords specifically addressed that issue and that a minor ticking up of those swords would negate the empty feeling... and unpopular opinion, indeed!