Carolingian Steamroller

Please. That's the least controversial opinion on these boards.

I understand we're nearing the 'Aughts period of the nostalgia cycle. As someone who suffered through the Eighties nostalgia cycle, can we please, please not do this with the Nationals?

The Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Devil Rays have entered the chat.

The mismatching cap/helmet thing also has precedent within Twins history and specifically with the white front panel:

I think you've expressed your impressions very well here and you're close to figuring out exactly what's working for you and what's not, so I'll just highlight a couple of things because I'm finding this interesting: 1. The difference between "Royals" and "Twins" is only one additional letter BUT the Twins script used here is particularly tall to fill the horizontal space which gives it more of a fine, airy feel. You also have the false ligature between the "i" and the "n." In the original Twins script and traditional cursive, the line coming off of the "i" would have to travel all the way to the upper left corner of the "n" and then swoop downwards (a product of it being really hard to get a good line pushing a quill nib upward on the page). So there's an extra vertical line that's missing, creating a much shorter mark than you might expect. 2. As pointed out by others, mono color marks are common but mono color marks in red are much rarer. You have the Phillies and the Reds but that's the exception. So a single layer, mono red script could be surprising to some, even as its pleasing to others. 3. I think this is definitely trying to be the 70's, 80's Carew era but there's a big difference: Imagine that home uniform with a red cap and see if it changes your perspective. Even look at it with the panel batting helmet and how the change in headwear makes it more familiar:

Panthers originally had a lot more going on at the initial release:

Here's the rub. The Twins jerseys are not limited to a single color because there's also a number. There's more chromatic diversity on the front of the new Twins jerseys than there is on White Sox road jersey. If you don't like the new Twins set, that's fine but I don't think any kind of universal maxim of baseball design is being violated here.

The blue pants are what save the CC from my perspective.

The use of two colors in single layer emulates the TC logo which is by far and away the most classic and instantly recognizable part of the Twins identity.

I like the current Lions set but I'm right with you on the 2009-2016 set. Sneaky modern classic.

Was going to disagree but we see it a little in the City Connect. *addendum, I'd be really curious to see how this looks if you swapped black for white.

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Same reason the Goodyear logo has a wing and Jay Garrick wears a helmet.

I might be on record somewhere else on the boards but the below (with maybe a brushed silver helmet like the old Seahawks) would be pretty cool for the Lions: Color and numbers wise since I'd like to see Northwestern stripes on the sleeves.

Something kinda similar to keep in mind: Note the flat finish helmet.

Are they using red or navy blue baselayers/socks?

Maybe that's just my limited sample size. When I lived up there in the mid 2000's, it was the Chicago transplants driving what little Cub interest I saw with Milwaukee lifers frustrated with the folks coming up 94 buying up the tickets to Miller Park for Cubs/Brewers games. Or maybe I'm underestimating just how many transplants there are up North.

Common myth. The city proper has a slight majority Sox fan base. It's the surrounding suburbs and out of state crowd where the Cubs dominate. (Side Note: Not many Cubs fans North of the border aside from Chicago/suburban students at Marquette and UW Madison and downstate Illinois becomes Cardinal country reaaaaaal quick.)

Counterpoint:

So it's a general East Coast thing to Memory Hole 2005. I thought it was just ESPN.

One detail I'd like to point out in how sports aesthetics traditionally (in the sense of most common usage over the past 150 years) align in terms of color is look at fabric type for each piece of equipment. In sports where the historical aesthetic was matching shirt/pants you usually see that apparel being made of the same or similar fabric such as baseball and basketball. Where you see sports that change material from one article to the next, like football and hockey, you tend to see changes in color. This is how you get a white-over-white or grey-over-grey baseball uniform verses a team color-over-white football uniform. It's not a hard and fast rule but as we've seen, it's often hard to match colors when you move from one media (like a durene jersey) to another (like stretch spandex pants). Interesting enough, baseball has seen a bigger shift in the last two decades in changing fabric types from jersey to pants. I know it did cause some issues early on but its gotten much much better.

"Softball" refers more to beer league or rec league softball, where a dark jersey or teeshirt is worn over either generic white/grey pants or jeans/shorts. Besides, monochrome, especially navy blue monochrome, is really old in major league baseball.

That goes back to my first point that having already brought in the matching navy pants, to me it would be a massive downgrade to shift to a softball top set. The monochrome navy looks really great, especially with the powder blue striping. It even works with Cubs history.

A few reasons: 1. Monochrome, especially mono navy, is awesome in my opinion. The Cubs even go the extra mile with matching and contrasting powder blue undersleeves, belts, and striped socks. Contrasting sleeves/socks with matching jerseys and pants is how a baseball uniform is designed to look and its refreshing to see a team roll with it. 2. If the Cubs were to go with their current pinstripes, you'd have a third shade of blue in the mix and that just wouldn't work. If they were to make the pinstripes navy or powder blue or go with white pants with a single powder blue stripe, that would be better, but now you'd be adding a second pair of white pants with no matching white jersey. Other teams have done it but unless you're the San Diego Padres, I don't like it.