OnWis97

This Vikings season ended exactly how it was supposed to…single-handedly to Daniel Jones.  Time for a 99% overhaul on defense.

I'm kinda surprised to see so many people happy about the Packers. I always think of them as the second-favorite team of all non-NFC North fanbases. Is Aaron finally wearing people down?

14 hours ago, OnWis97 said:

Packers versus Lions  makes most sense for Sunday night, because if Seattle wins, then the Lions won’t have anything to play for.

It was so obvious.  Seattle is going to get some calls on Sunday.

Packers versus Lions  makes most sense for Sunday night, because if Seattle wins, then the Lions won’t have anything to play for.

Even though they don’t entirely control their own destiny, I would say that right now Green Bay is the biggest threat to Philadelphia in the NFC. That is in large part due to the obvious flaws of the teams that will be hosting wildcard week playoff games. But if the Packers get in, I like them in the most matchups.

An oldy but a goody:

https://www.theonion.com/every-bar-patron-watching-world-cup-has-different-inco-1826831918

As a soccer novice, I find the offside rule confusing and it feels like a defender can just stop moving in order to force an offside. It's strange that the line can just move (or stop moving) at various times.

The way it's done in hockey is much clearer.

1 hour ago, Sec19Row53 said:

Done deal. Meeting with Bearcats at 1. Presser in Madison at 4.

Interesting hire.  I guess I am happy about it because the offensive approach needs to be overhauled and I don’t think that was going to happen under Leonard. On the other hand if Fickel is successful enough Wisconsin will be a stepping stone again.  Jimmy would not carry that risk.

9 hours ago, DoctorWhom said:

I saw that running into the kicker call coming a mile away, Like the second he lined up for it. 

 

That TD  Hunter Henry got called backed sucked, but technically was the right call. Another Dez Bryant situation. 

I still didn't see it touch the ground, but it did move as he was one the ground. looked more like it moved across his chest. 

Tough loss, but Vikings made the plays when it mattered. Patriots path to the playoffs is getting extremely narrow.

 

Also, I just realized the Vikings got Jefferson thanks to Buffalo's pick from the Stephon Diggs trade, and the team that had the pick right after them........The Patriots. 

Vikings won some ref ball yesterday.  It’s a weird feeling.  I thought the bobbling on that TD could have put the ball on the 1 (he pulled it out of the end zone during the process) but I don’t understand how it isn’t a catch.  The kick return should have been called back.  The better team did not win.

Based on the mix of uniforms, it looks like they'll wear the M cap more than the two TC's combined. This assumes 100% "M" on the road and a number greater than zero at home. I would not be surprised if we see the primary TC paired up with the blue alt and/or the gray more often over the next few years, though. The primary TC has a tendency to win out over time...

2 hours ago, coco1997 said:

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else gripe that the set has THREE solid navy-colored caps. I really think the home cap should have had a red crown or red bill to create some variation. 

Interesting point. I'd argue that the M cap should have a red bill.  An all-blue TC cap is a big part of the team history...I know they added a red-billed road hat for a while but I'd really hate for there to be no all-blue option with the white/red TC.

On 11/20/2022 at 5:41 PM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

Wow, this is great! I love the acknowledgment of franchise continuity! 

 

 

That would be so wonderful.

 

And it wouldn't be the first time. Here's Tom Kelly in a Senators uniform, alongside Art Howe sporting a Philadelphia A's uniform.

 

 

 

The existence of the small "1901" note on that shirt fills me with respect for the people behind this uniform change. It suggests that they actually understand the greatness of baseball history.

 

Either this past season for in 2021, the Twins added one world series champs flag and two AL champs flags for the Senators from the 1920s. I'm not exactly sure what led to this as I'm not aware of any specific effort beyond this to embrace that history. But as someone who is in the "history of the franchise" camp, I appreciated seeing this. I am sure at any given game, there are ten others that also appreciate it, ten who think it's silly to "claim that championship for Minnesota" (which isn't what that is), and thousands who don't even realize it's there.

In any case, I think it's great and it's not because my heart wells up with joy when I think about Walter Johnson and the 1924 Senators. It's because these are things that happened to the franchise. The biggest difference between the Twins and the Dodgers and Giants is the name change. But those teams acknowledge their history and so should the Twins.

I might even get a t-shirt with the 1901 on it. Then if someone asks me why it's there, I'll start talking like Grandpa Simpson under the lemon tree.

• Home Jersey: C-. I think the red script is too bright. I'd rather it it outlined in blue (and thereby made thicker). I don't really like the state/star patch. Front number does help avoid the boringness of the last home jersey.
• Road Jersey: B. I am not a fan of pinstripes on road. But without those, that jersey would be may favorite of the bunch. Maybe I prefer the blue wordmark and red number to vice/versa or maybe the grey tones down the brightness of the red. The pinstripes might be the least-obvious ones in MLB history (which mitigates the issues, I suppose)
• Twin Cities jersey: B+. I'm torn here. Aestetically, it's the most appealing jersey to me by a long shot. But I don't like the absence of Red and using "Twin Cities" to me is like using "Windy City" for Chicago. Is this the City alt? If so, it's one of the best. But it's not really the identity I want to be highlighted.
• Blue jersey: C-. It's roughly what you'd expect from this set but the white letters make it look pretty plain.

• Primary hat: B. It's fine...but not a great enough change to warrant an A or a D.
• "M" hat: C-. I think it's the biggest departure this set makes from their identity. The T-wolves star isn't visible from afar. I started out with a "D" but upped it at the thought of the "M" being a potential nod to the Senators "W".
• Twin Cities hat: C+. Not necessary and omits a team color. But a bit of a bump for the "C" not being lost on the background.

I won't miss Minnie and Paul (though I'm not sold on the flags logo) or the gold. So there is some addition by subtraction for me.

Overall this is not a flop but certainty isn't the best they've ever looked. That red wordmark just sticks out more than it should and I really think fans would have like something with pinstripes that's closer to the 1960s alts they were wearing until a few years ago. They'll be, as they usually are, a middle-of-the-pack team.

Longshot prediction: No gray at all.

One thing I am seeing on the concepts based on the teasers is a lot of separation of the colors. Red and blue barely ever touch on the jerseys. It seems like that's a trend. Like with the white wild jersey using no red on the trim, the Canucks keeping green on the logo, and more I'm not thinking of off top of my head.  I'm not a fan of that. If this plays out, I think this is going to be one of my least favorite Twins looks because of it. 

The (apparent) new word mark is a little thin for my taste; not bold enough. I understand the idea and looks like fears of them going crazy and abandoning history were unfounded. I don't think it's going to be terrible, but it's not exactly how I would have liked the idea to be executed.

Justin Herbert just took a shot that reminded me that we probably should not be watching football.

2 hours ago, MJD7 said:

Here's a comparsion of the current/outgoing "TC" with my slightly rough attempt to predict the new one, based off of the cap leak. 

 

I've got to be honest, if this is similar to how it turns out, the new mark is growing on me. I didn't think it was possible to improve upon the TC, but I think they might have. The T flows better with the C, and the spacing between the letters makes it more readable.

Seeing these side-by-side kinda helps me see the improved continuity between the letters.  I still don't prefer it but it at least makes more sense to me.

21 hours ago, MJD7 said:

I've tried it a few times in the past, but it's never really looked right to me. Here's an updated attempt:

The blue one is fantastic.  It's a really good mix of early and modern. I prefer the less-sharp under line of that one along with the proximality of the "w" and "i" (I have never liked the longer line between them, as used in the red mark).

I'm definitely not liking the 1970s/80s vibe I'm getting off of those R/W/B stripes.

2 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

I like when Titans players use red accessories such as gloves, sleeves, and cleats

 

That reminds of of something I don't like; when teams with yellow (Vikings, Packers, Steelers) wear yellow accessories. I see so many non-existent flags when I watch the Vikings.

I like the little serifs on the current/old "T" and I find this logo jarring (whereas most fans won't even notice). That said, a bit more space between the two letters probably makes sense. Generally, I find this an unnecessary slight downgrade but I admit I may simply get used to it. 

That said, it gives me hope that the uniforms won't get too crazy/modern. But I doubt they'll keep the block font (which I prefer).

I've seen it suggested that the "T" might not quite be white...interesting thought about the possibility of off-white uniforms?

15 hours ago, dont care said:

The broncos Atleast won championships

I was referring to this season - big acquisitions, mortgaging of futures, on-court/filed mediocrity, and trade-partners being better.

Historically, there is no franchise to compare the T-Wolves to.

The Timberwolves are the Broncos of the NBA.

My favorites: 

(I actually like the one with the two white stripes going down the middle)

I like boring, I guess. I like silhouettes (Iowa, Texas) and letters. I think the "I State" logo is nice and really love their look (though I liked it a bit better when it first came out with a red/burgundy mask and more traditional jerseys).

One no longer in use (or is it): Even with their shenanigans, I think this helmet had a chance to be a modern classic if worn with all their other looks. I really don't like the winged helmets. My tastes (don't love Michigan, don't like numbers on helmets, don't like over-done logos like Fresno State, or blanks like Penn State) are pretty unpopular overall.

While this appears to have become a bit of a one-topic thread...I have some smaller on-the-field football changes, mostly unpopular.

• Both College and NFL:
  • Pass interference should not be an automatic first down when it's goal-to-go. A team can make three stops inside the 1, get hit with a questionable PI and now the offensive team has four more chances. I'd go half-the-distance and replay down. The automatic first down makes sense during most of a drive (since the PI stopped the offense from getting a first down, in theory) but it feels like it was thoughtlessly carried into the goal-to-go situations where a first down isn't an option.
  • Eliminate the intentional grounding rule. Purdue's QB last week was called for grounding when it looked pretty clear he and the receiver were not in sync on the route. This isn't the first time I've seen a call like this made. I'd eliminate it because 1) You're almost judging what the QB is thinking, 2) There are various/arbitrary times when it's allowed, anyway, 3) Any throw under duress is a risk, so it's weird to outlaw risky behavior, 4) it almost seems like a natural progression in the movement to protect quarterbacks.
• College
  • Adopt the NFL hashmarks. Why have mediocre college kickers trying 25-yard field goals at some ridiculous angle?
• NFL
  • Adopt the college pass interference rule. Spot fouls seem like a way to let Aaron Rodgers unload a 40-yard pass, get a ticky-tack PI call that results in a big play. PI should not be an offensive strategy.
  • Adopt the college rule for when a player is down (i.e., eliminate "down by contact"). It's another judgement call that's just not needed. Down is down.

43 minutes ago, spearson said:

The Wild have swung and missed again.

 

The current away jersey is already a nod to a classic, and so is the old green alternate with "Minnesota" on the front.  

 

If they were going to stick with the Stars theme, then I think they should have gone in the direction of the beauties from their Stanley Cup appearance.  Maybe next time.

 

 

Actually, the jersey is a pretty good nod to the 1981 (Stanley Cup Finalist year) jersey.

https://content.sportslogos.net/logos/1/34/full/kk66gzpfphejvjsjfma1cf0e4.gif