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  1. Yeah, so? It is not Native American based and the perfect way for Snyder to say F you to everyone.
  2. I agree. The Redskins need a name without any connection to Native Americans, they do not have the "lee-way" that the Warriors did. If the Blackhawks were every pressured, they could change the logo and keep the name, I think it way beyond the point of no return for the Redskins.
  3. With a college, I think it might be easier. 1) crowds at those schools are not as big. Secondly, I would assume their fans attending games are most likely to be current students and alumni? So, the current students turn over every 4 years. Freshmen come in and buy their school sweatshirts/t-shirts etc. I would think alumni who are attending games are more likely to be the type who would support the school in what it decides in terms of the name, so is less likely to protest by continuing to wear the old logos/names. I have lived in the NY Metro area my whole life. I was in HS when St Johns changed from the Redmen to the Red Storm. I'm 44 now and cant remember the last time I saw any St Johns Redmen stuff although their following is not all that big.
  4. I was thinking that, but let's be honest this is the NFL we are talking about. They do not give anything away for free. Every owner right now is not thinking, "FInally, we are doing the right thing...". They are thinking, "How much stuff is the new team going to sell and what will my cut be?"
  5. I could see them cracking down on fans wearing headdresses or other Native American costumes. I do remember them having a well-known fan who I believe was African-American who wore a headdress. But no idea if he is still going to games or if he is still alive. However, not sure they can or want to try to police people wearing Redskins t-shirts, jerseys, hats, jackets, etc. I think that would be very difficult to enforce. Fans enter the game with no Redskins gear showing. Once inside, they de-layer or they pull a redsksins t-shirt out of their pocket and change. One benefit they have is I think it is likely fans are not attending games this season. So, it gives STH over a year to start buying gear with the new team name. Those who choose to do so. But, it will definitely be interesting to see. I think if they completely try to ban the stuff, that is going to cause more of an uproar. Edit: I think this is who I am talking about and it seems he has passed away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Zee
  6. I would not be shocked if Snyder is being strong-armed by the league here. I have said for 20 years, name will not change until it hurts their profits. Nike and FedEx were going to hit them in the pocket and merchandise sales are shared by the league. They have already said they will not have any Native American imagery and even though they could get rid of the spear, feathers, and go with Warriors, I think it is too close to fly here. They are keeping the colors, think it will be something with "red" in it, will keep the same wordmark font and the "R" logo (like Gibbs wore on his hat for years) to appease as many of the current fans as possible. Keep the change as simple as possible, but get rid of the Native American stuff. This is not the same scenario as the Blackhawks or Chiefs. Yes, I know the origin of their Blackhawk name. But, if the pressure became enough, they could easily change the logo and keep the name in honor of Chief Black Hawk. Same for Chiefs. Could keep the name, drop the arrowhead logo and just go with a basic "KC". Not the case here. Simply going "warriors" for them is re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
  7. Didn't they city (or a group of fans) sue to keep the history in Cleveland or something like that? The Redskins won 3 Super Bowls and played in 2 others and won 2 Championships in the pre-Super Bowl era. I do not think they want to abandon that. Secondly, keeping the colors, a name with "red" in it, using the same wordmark is a way to keep the current fans. If they started over as a new franchise with a complete re-brand to say the Washington Generals with a Red-White-Blue theme, it may not go over as well. I do think we will continue to see Redskins gear at games for a long time. Not sure the majority of their fans are going to run out to buy the new stuff in bulk, especially with the prices for licensned merchandise.
  8. I was reading that it is not as simple as someone "owning" the trademark. I am not an attorney, but supposedly if Snyder wants one of those names, the owner of that trademark would have to prove WHY and how they use the trademark. I read somewhere that the law is written like that to prevent people from simply applying for random trademarks they will never use just to try to handcuff someone who has plans for the trademark. However, what I could not find was anything that broke down how long of a process that would be for Snyder if he wanted one of those names.
  9. I was very surprised when I heard about this. Honestly, never knew the endzones were painted each week. Always thought they had different pieces of field turf for each team that would get laid down, sewn in, then cut out.
  10. I know, but if Montreal ever gets a new team, one of two things should happen. 1) The Nats "give" the history to the new team or 2) New team be able to use the name Expos if they choose and still acknowledge the history. When the Thrashers went to Winnipeg and used the Jets name, they should be able to use the history of the old Winnipeg Jets. Do people in Arizona actually care about their Avco Cups?
  11. If they are going to go with a re-brand, new name, color scheme, etc. Then, I hope they leave the history behind. As far as I am concerned, the History should belong to the fans and the city/state. Start over as a new franchise. Love seeing banners for the Expos in the Bell Centre.
  12. I am thinking you were in a VERY small minority on that one. Then again, I don't know any NY'ers who cared or followed those leagues.
  13. I'm not from California, so I don't know, but maybe the fear is that there are still too many people in LA who hate the Chargers from the LA Raiders days, that they would have a difficult team? With a new name and look they can be embraced by LA as "their" team. Jets play 2nd fiddle to the Giants and still have a huge fan base.
  14. Black sells. Until it doesn't, teams won't stop trying to use it.
  15. The roads they wore in the 80's and 90's were opposites. Blue jersey white numbers, red outline. White jersey with blue numbers and red outline. Sleeve stripes were contrasting as well. On the blue jersey it was red-white-red. On the white it was blue-red-blue.
  16. Disagree completely. Love the ny they currently use, love the old GIANTS wordmark, HATE the 75 NY. As for the gray pants, liked them at first, but now prefer the white. What I would NEVER want to see them go back to was a white jersey on blue pants look from the mid-late 70s. Just awful.
  17. I disagree with that completely, especially for fans of those teams. I HATED the NY Giants white jerseys with all red numbers/letters/stripes, UNTIL they wore them while winning Super Bowl XLII. Seeing your team wear the uniform while holding a trophy just makes the uni look better, imo.
  18. I know this was a while ago, but for something like this my guess is he thinks you simply create these concepts for fun and your intention is to share them with everyone. I don't use instagram, but for those of you having your stuff stolen. Few questions, are the people stealing this stuff for financial gain? Not making money, just presenting it as their own design? Secondly, are you putting watermarks on your work? Are these people using your stuff with the watermarks or are they able to remove the watermarks?
  19. I know this will make people on here think I am an absolute jerk, but I do not have any problem with knock-off merchandise. I agree with those that say most of them look terrible, but I can fully understand why people do not want to pay the ridiculous prices the official manufacturers are charging.
  20. That's a stretch as the Oilers Blue at the time was closer to royal than the dark navy of the bears. Oilers jerseys weren't darkened until the late 90s/early 2000s
  21. Then you're not entitled to own a jersey. Sorry, that's life. When you see someone wearing a knock-off, whether it be at a game or on the street, do you go up to them and preach about how they are not entitled to own that jersey? Anyone else on here do that?
  22. No, you are stealing by knowingly purchasing stolen merchandise. And counterfeit jerseys are stolen in that they steal the identity from the teams and manufacturers. It is like buying a bootleg copy of Photoshop for $20 (albeit one which doesn't have all the features and crashes your system periodically). I mean, you wouldn't spend $1,000 to buy the software legitimately, so it isn't like Adobe is losing money, right? The NFL has money taken away from it because it has the right to X amount of dollars for every person wearing an NFL jersey. If you don't want to give them that money, don't wear the jersey. Disagree. Not stealing anything. Want to say the makers and sellers are stealing, I'll agree. I paid my money for an item. Like I said, I am not buying the knock-off instead of the licensed as I would not buy the licensed at their price if I couldn't find a good knock-off I wanted. I made a dead-on comparison which you completely ignored. If you bought a bootleg copy of Photoshop for $20, would it be stealing? Of course, you wouldn't have paid $1,000 for a legit copy, so you could argue you weren't stealing money from Adobe as you wouldn't have given it to them to begin with. Installing pirated software on your computer is a crime and so is knowingly purchasing a counterfeit jersey. I don't use pirated software, but not because of some holier-than-thou ethical idea that you guys are spewing. I do not use it because of the horror stories I have heard of it leading to problems with your computer. Stealing? No, because again you are paying for that copy. The person making the bootlegs and selling is the thief. However, at least the software makers are beginning to protect their own product my requiring people to register their pass keys online. If it were illegal to purchase a counterfeit jersey than why would the NYC Councilwoman have to propose a law to make it illegal to buy counterfeit goods? BECAUSE IT IS NOT ILLEGAL! If it was, there would be no reason to propose the law! If it was already a law, she'd simply have to meet with the DA and Police Commissioner to discuss enforcing this law.
  23. No one has answered my question concerning designers, how many of the current MAJOR sports logos designers are paid royalties on each jersey purchased? I am guessing 0 so I am not hurting the designers in any way. This is not true. Say team A is wiling to pay $50k for a great new logo and uniform design. This is based on their analysis that a new look will spur $1,000,000 in sales in the next year. The new logo is a hit, but the counterfeiters are all over it, so sales of legit licensed gear only net $500,000. This will lead to one of two things - either the team (or the next team in a similar situation) will offer the designer (or firm) $25k for the next package, or the licensees will absorb the cost and offer significantly less next time around. Either way there's less money to pay the designer, which has a trickle down effect on the industry as a whole. It's a shame that most of the strong debaters checked out of this thread ages ago. After reading the last few pages, I'm thinking about ordering some fakes. Not really. then the firm designing the logo needs to negotiate better and say, "No, we want $50K for our services." If the designer is that good, they'll get their money.
  24. No, you are stealing by knowingly purchasing stolen merchandise. And counterfeit jerseys are stolen in that they steal the identity from the teams and manufacturers. It is like buying a bootleg copy of Photoshop for $20 (albeit one which doesn't have all the features and crashes your system periodically). I mean, you wouldn't spend $1,000 to buy the software legitimately, so it isn't like Adobe is losing money, right? The NFL has money taken away from it because it has the right to X amount of dollars for every person wearing an NFL jersey. If you don't want to give them that money, don't wear the jersey. Disagree. Not stealing anything. Want to say the makers and sellers are stealing, I'll agree. I paid my money for an item. Like I said, I am not buying the knock-off instead of the licensed as I would not buy the licensed at their price if I couldn't find a good knock-off I wanted.
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