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i think that's a change for the better. also, i didn't expect that seeing jordan eberle in a kraken jersey would hurt so much.

FWIW, i'm totally torn on the giants. i love the home white pants, and thought that was a huge upgrade for their set. i know why the fan base loves the current roads (won 42 and 46 in them), and in a vacuum, they're fine. big upgrade over the set they replaced. it's my personal taste, but i far prefer their color rush set to the current road. all that said, i think some royal blue could be worked into the sleeve/pants striping to get the best of both worlds.

haha imagine if they spent two years coming up with a name and were like, "okay, we thought about it. introducing...the washington redmen. HTTR!!!"

this is the ultimate compliment. everyone knows tommy as green ranger > tommy as white ranger.

training camp hats are out. interesting tidbit here is that a few teams have "historic logo" options. to me, it looks like the bills, browns, broncos, dolphins, patriots, jets, eagles, and bucs. could mean nothing, could mean these are teams fanatics/NFL identified as clubs that sell lots of retro merchandise. but considering a few of these are tried-and-true alternates (pat patriot, elway-era 'D,' standing buffalo, bucco bruce...plus we know the browns have a new throwback this year) makes it noteworthy.

i agree that the timing would seem to be off, but it is worth noting that the league and retailers have sort of gotten away from the traditional timeline, whether that's pandemic-influenced (i assume the case with the NHL's reverse retro) or not (nike seems like it had this timeline for city connect planned, but maybe i'm wrong). if the NFL did waive the one-shell rule, i could see them taking, like...six teams and trotting out throwbacks/existing designs on thanksgiving weekend (maybe like cowboys, bucs, pats, etc.). could goose holiday retail sales and put new merch in the pipeline for after the crucial catch/salute to service stuff wraps up.

i was specifically talking about the green elements on the black alternate, but hey, why have a discussion when you can score some cheap likes with a snarky comment! how edgy!!

here's a weird take (especially as a fan who has been pretty opposed to the various attempts at shoe-horning the color black into his team's -- mets, islanders -- identities): i kind of like black's inclusion in the jets' set. full admission, the jets splashed some black into their set when i was a kid just starting to root for the team, so that undoubtedly colors my view. but i do think the black (in small doses) works for them. i specifically think it's great as a trim element on the road unis. in fact, i'd love to see them mix-and-match a little. maybe try the black pants with the green jersey. my biggest objection to any jets look is when they go monochrome. though mono football uniforms aren't my taste, i can admit that some teams can make it look palatable (for example, the seahawks look isn't my favorite, but for me, it works for them). but for the jets, i think it looks atrocious. even all-white doesn't work well, IMO. that's another big fix that they need: they need to use green pants with the black alt. i think breaking up the mono-black would make all their green elements pop more.

eh i sort of feel the other way. the 'jet' silhouette works as a logo, but not really as a striping element. i think on a jersey or pant, it dates it/makes it gimmicky, but as a logo, it's a good subtle nod. maybe that's just personal taste.

always felt like there was an easy fix for the current jets set: current helmet logo/'jet' wordmark hybrid traditional sleeve striping traditional pant striping remove 'new york' wordmark

IMO, the biggest misses of the current set are: - not using the sacks exchange-era logo on the helmet (or some modernized variant of it) - the awful shoulder stripes (especially because of how they extend onto the shoulder yoke) - the even worse pant stripes this fixes them all. well done!

i donated mine to goodwill. still kind of regret that. also, baller steen/KO avi!

Last time i was at the ESPN Club in Walt Disney World, they had a framed, fake Amar'e Stoudemire that STAT had signed. I tweeted him and the Knicks a picture telling them it was a fake, but never got a response. I'm sure it's still up. I bet if anyone sat athletes down and explained to them how counterfeiters make money off their name and/or likeness, they'd be pretty pissed. But since most are oblivious to that kind of stuff, they go ahead and sign these POS products.

let's talk about te'o jerseys for a second. there are plenty of fakes, most notably the shamrock series alternates, going for $100-$150 on ebay right now. which is both sad and INSANE. my most recent ND jersey was brady quinn (which was perfect for me, because #10 has always been my sports number and i love the irish) and i've wanted a te'o jersey for years. so instead of buying a fake, i started a DIY project. been working on it between real life obligations. should be done with it in a week (which would make the project total 2 week's time). much more fulfilling and a whole lot less money than the garbage on ebay (should wrap up the whole thing for about $50: less than a screen-printed replica). point is: even if you have shallow pockets, there are ways to get what you want without supporting douchey counterfeiters.

guys, be forewarned: there are a TON of solid-looking nike elite fakes on ebay right now. i would urge you to tread carefully. in fact, i'd advise you to just go ahead and buy the real thing, if you're so inclined. the counterfeiters have the flywire down, and some of them have picked up on when the stitching is that creates the sweatbox, etc.

agreed, but it's awesome the kid sees the difference and is disgusted with the fake. when i first started collecting jerseys, i was 13. the 1998 mets snow white (second year of the snows, first year with dropshadow) was my first authentic, and i was absolutely hooked. it's great to see someone else, probably no more than a couple years older than i was at the time, get it like i did back then.

because i think an integral element to people who unknowingly buy them are that they do so when looking for "a deal" on an authentic jersey. that's the people trolling ebay for an "authentic" for $40 or falling victim to the sports bar owner who can "get ya a good deal." there's an easy was to know what you're buying is legit: get it from a licensed retailer. there are enough ways to do that (modells, dicks, sports authority, respective team stores, etc.) without snapping up a counterfeit jersey by accident. if you're a savvy buyer, you can wait it out and get the latest jerseys on sale when mo's or someone else has a big sale. and if in doubt, ask! all my friends know me as the guy who has a lot of jerseys. when they tell me they're looking to get a specific jersey, as they often do, i always ask them to consult me first so they get something legit and of good quality for a reasonable price.

i'm a masochist for reading this thread every few days. seriously, why are we in this cycle: someone justifiably calls into the question of purchasing counterfeit products, then another person defends said action with a various set of justifications and calls previous person who points out that they're supporting illegal activity a "blowhard" or a picky logo geek. this is pretty black and white. if you buy licensed products, you're fine. if you buy counterfeit products, you're supporting an illegal activity. the argument "well, reebok doesn't make affordable replica jerseys to my liking" holds no weight. if you can't afford an authentic, buy a premiere. if you can't afford a premiere, buy a replica. if you can't afford a replica, save up some damn money. enough with this entitled garbage. and let me just say, a good number of people who say that they buy counterfeit jerseys because of an affordable price point immediately negate their argument by saying they have purchased two or three jerseys at a $40 or $50 value a piece. those three illegal pieces of trash you have could buy you a premiere jersey OR get you within $60-80 of an authentic in almost every sport. in the meantime, if you do buy knock offs, just ADMIT that you know you're doing something wrong. you should stop, but if you won't, stop justifying it.

That picture looks legit, but just look at how they spell Minnesota in the listing. I'd be surprised if you got the jersey in that picture. yea, but the thing I dont get is that this seller is a top rated seller and all of his comments from the buyers are positive see, it's not hard to get. you can see why that would be in this thread. there are different types of people who buy knock offs. in one group, there are the people that don't know the difference. these are the guys who can see wearing one and bragging to their buddies, "yeah, authentic and only $40 on ebay!" then there are people who brazenly say, "i know it's a knock off, but [insert litany of justifications], so i just don't care." that makes for a lot of satisfied customers, so it would make sense that a knock off seller would have good feedback. in my opinion (however, i think it's pretty close to absolute fact), knock offs suck. they're terrible quality, they put money in the hands of some questionable people and they look like garbage. i think you can make a case for anything ranging from IP theft to keeping money out of the hands of people who should earn money off their likeness to taking work away from independent stitchers or people that have jobs in majestic/reebok/nike's factories. but people still insist on buying them without a care. my point is this: if you reserve your right to flaunt yourself around in a fake jersey, i reserve the right to think you're stupid.

anyone know what font LIVESTRONG uses for their wordmark?

+1. THANK YOU. YAY for stealing! exactly. that's such a lame excuse. you're using this idea that people who frown upon buying counterfeits are all uppity and elitist to frame your argument and justify perpetuating the problem that you claim MLB and the NFL "have." but then again, there are always going to be people that feel the way you do. that will buy the bootlegged dvd or the knock off movado in times square or china town, because, hey, i want that and there it pretty much is at an affordable price. whatever. that's your choice and no one is going to stop you. i think we've seen that eliminating counterfeits is a fairly fruitless proposition. that being said, i don't think that kind of behavior should be celebrated and we shouldn't herald counterfeiters for giving the public the option of a nearly-authentic jersey at a fraction of the price. ultimately, if i choose to buy a $120 premiere or a $250 authentic instead of a $40 cheap knock off, that's my individual decision. i'd rather have it licensed or not have it at all. and if people choose to go in the other direction, that's theirs. but i'm not going to sit here and say "oh good for you, your exercising the free market." to do so would just be flat out silly.

The point made by Whaleslax and BringBacktheVet are the most important. I don't care how much money you make, how much disposable income you have, whether the jersey looks good or not, whether someone (uniform nerds or not) can pick it apart, NOTHING changes the fact that you are supporting something ILLEGAL. It's not anyone's God-given right to own an authentic jersey or a jersey that looks close enough to the real thing. I'll admit, I'm a big kid at heart and I'm an avid jersey collector. It's just my thing. I would never buy a knock off jersey and I look down upon everyone and anyone that does. The companies who manufactors these fakes are ripping off someone else's IP. I don't care if you buy an Albert Pujols jersey chain-stitched by a direct descendent of Jack Buck, if it's not licensed, it's not right. Enough strides have been made in replica jerseys that if you don't have the budget to buy an authentic, you can still wear a licensed product that looks very close to the real thing. And if you can't afford that either, then maybe you should spend your money on something else other than a sports jersey. Like Whaleslax said, you wouldn't counterfeit money just because, "hey, looks good enough! Plus why bother making any on my own!" So why do it to someone else's hard work?