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  1. maybe they will give an explanation tomorrow on why the hem stripe doesn't match the arm stripes. it doesn't really make very much sense looking at it initially, maybe they have a reason for it. I don't know. it's strange. they aren't that bad, and i'd think they were pretty good even, that is, if the Lightning uniforms didn't exist. Hem stripes of the two teams are now virtually identical. The renderings above will also look way better with numbers on the arms and the accompanying socks, though.
  2. It makes a lot of sense but sadly doesn't look like they are going in that direction. The other option: instead of being the black-white-yellow team (which i agree, they should be, it even mimics the coloring of a Penguin), they are the yellow-black-white team. Unfortunatley, the Preds have kind of cemented themselves as the yellow team. I wish sometimes that teams could still wear yellow uniforms as their light colored uni, like the Lakers and like how the Kings did in the NHL back in the day. Or, at least let the pens wear yellow helmets on the road, like they did in the 80s (i think?). Like in this picture below. Would be fun inconsistency they could own, as mentioned above. Shameless plug: my concept for the Pens from years ago features a similar design as the Crosby photoshop from the page prior to this. Try to ignore the crazy logo and weird pinstripes if you can, there are some things about this concept I'd change looking at it now, but it's always fun to experiment. https://www.behance.net/gallery/19711063/NHL-Concept-Pittsburgh-Penguins
  3. I tend to agree-- the Canadians and Blackhawks (and even Leafs with their sock striping) have weird inconsistencies that give their uniforms charm. The bruins too, with the yellow socks. However, there is a line between small inconsistencies and maybe being a little TOO crazy. The penguins could at least get 2/3 of the Arms, Waist, and Socks to match. Then you throw in the yellow outlined in white on the numbers and the pants-- maybe it's too inconsistent? Don't get me wrong, I love the Penguins throwbacks, especially the patches of yellow on the arms and the way the black shoulders kind of creep in to those yellow panels like the Red Wings sleeves..... but all of the different patterns they use kind of mess with my head after a while of watching them on the ice.
  4. ^ This would be a great step in the right direction for the Penguins identity. I think the real key for them: how do they use the black and yellow-gold (not khaki) without being too close to the Bruins. The good thing about the throwback direction they are going: the yellow sleeves and black socks, compared to the Bruins' yellow shoulders and yellow socks, make them visually separated... The bad thing: As you can see, the yellow-black-white-black-yellow stripes that the Bruins kind of "own" is the same exact stripe on the Penguins throwback socks. Penguins should change the socks to match the waist stripe. However I really love that recolored sidney crosby image above. Looks nothing like the Bruins. It's worth noting that the primarily yellow sleeves of the road uniform the Pens will most likely adopt next season are pretty different than the more black-heavy Bruins white sweaters.
  5. I agree with all of your points-- but i end up giving it like a 5 out of 10, because of all of those points, haha. some of those things-- the pants without stripes, the mismatching golds, they just seem like obvious fixes, no idea why Pitt didn't do that. the number font is indeed very very strange, i am hoping that they at least serve a functional purpose and are legible from a distance, but aesthetically, they look really messy.The helmet is just so beautiful, it's a shame that it goes to waste here. fix the numbers, fix the golds, and make the pants a simplified version of the arm striping, and you have a strong 8/10 uniform here. until then, this uniform is just going to bother me. hopefully it's like Purdue and they just change it again next season.
  6. Some of the better beer companies here in Georgia Creature Comforts, really good beer Monday Night has a really consistent thing going that can sometimes be fun Orpheus goes with an elaborate Greek thing but does it colorfully Love the sunset gradients in this one from 3 taverns!
  7. is that roundel the primary logo or secondary, though? hopefully not primary. if so, it's an example of just blindly following a trend. if it's a more rarely used logo, i don't think it's a bad supplement to the brand.
  8. And that's what matters, as much as i agree with your assessment on the gloves and the DALLAS pants, they did a good job with this uni refresh. It's similar to Nashville, although some of us on this board may not be crazy about the piping on the unis (or the yellow alt helmets), the yellow has really resonated with the fanbase and everyone in Nashville seems to love them. The only problem that they might have is that no one buys the white unis having been to a bunch of games in nashville i can tell you that the fans love the team's identity and that everyone seems to own a yellow jersey.
  9. I would just say that the designer most likely did not intend to hide a SJ in there, it's the FANS that have decided that there is a hidden message in there. it's way too much of a stretch and the "letters" you pointed out on the last page are barely even letters as much as they are large blobs. it really comes down to, did the designer intend it? I would say no, but we'd have to hear from him. Maybe we can tweet him or find his phone number and find out haha, but until then, I would just say that they are clearly "accent/motion" lines on the body of a shark; small accent details used in the illustration of the logo that were in no way intended to hide letters. Final point, you mention that the shading doesn't look realistic, well it's a pretty unrealistic logo in the first place that kind of looks like an anime-ish rendering to me, so i don't think realism in those small accents was a top priority when making a somewhat cartoonish logo.
  10. Lol this is from so long ago. The "SJ" seen above is a bit of a stretch, sorry. Kind of like when people used to say there is a face in the puck of the Avs logo-- people see what they want after staring at a logo for too long, especially uniforms nerds like us This Dallas - St. Louis uniform matchup is absolutely beautiful. I know some people don't like the "original 6 dress-up" of the Stars, but this has to be the best uniform matchup of the 4 series. The contrast of the green against the blue/yellow is especially nice. the Blues managed to go from a bottom-5 uniform set in the league to a top-5 set immediately after they "fixed" all the problems with the Edge set IMO. That's gotta be pretty rare, going from one of the worst to one of the best especially in a sport like hockey with so many classic looks. The Blue Jays in MLB are really the only team that came to mind across the major 4 sports that falls in to that category. The Panthers at least have the potential to go from a bottom-10 look in the league to a top-10.
  11. I actually like that, a lot. The dark blue lines really help the striping.
  12. I'm sorry but this looks awful especially on TV. usually i'm a supporter of experimentation when it comes to baseball jerseys because so many teams tend to look the same in the MLB, but this is making me re-think that position. The shoulders, under-arm side panel area, and bottom of the pants all look like some sort of mistake that happens when you wash white & red clothes at the same time. the piping only going half-way on the pants and arms is so stupid, it just makes it look cheap. The font looks like a poorly rendered Michigan State ripoff. The d-backs have something with the bright teal that they introduced in other uniforms. I like the dark grey jersey with the teal, other than the fact that you can't read the numbers on TV. they should start from scratch with this re-brand and base it around the teal. I suppose that ship has already sailed....
  13. I really like the teal on the diamondbacks new uniforms, but it is also extremely hard to read the numbers when watching on TV.
  14. They are just trying to be like UCLA already: two shades of gold, two shades of blue. Hopefully they can clean this up and standardize to Royal/Yellow like everyone wants in two years-- that's just a hell of a long time to wait
  15. Yeah, make the arm stripes on both sides instead of just one, add some gold striping (i wouldnt mind it if it had a bit of a metallic sheen, like the goalie mask above) the same width as the black socks stripe on either side of the arm/chest stripe, switch all black with navy. White numbers with navy trim on the red jersey, navy numbers with gold trim on the white jersey. It would have lace up collar, obviously. That is not a bad look at all. What i'm wondering is how they are going to put a modern spin on this. the Icethetics article mentions some tweets, and although it's hard to decipher some of the tweets / if the guy knows what he is talking about, it strongly hints that there will be some modern elements worked in
  16. The new panthers design sounds very promising-- I'm hoping that the color balance of the red sweater doesnt look too much like Montreal considering there is a rumored stripe across the center of the chest like the Habs have, but it sounds like it's going to be pretty different with the gold incorporated. Also the the uni watch blurb it says they might bring back the 90s uniforms as an alternate, that would be awesome, maybe they will bring back the dark blue version of those jerseys with the triangular shoulder striping. That would be better than bringing back the red version of that jersey, although i love that one, their primary jersey will also be red. That bothers me for teams like the Flames or Leafs where the alternate jersey looks similar color-wise to the primary jersey, it's just a better version of it.
  17. This. I don't always agree (long live AZ hockey ) with your posts ( or post in general), but, you are totally right. nothing is ever going to happen again like the EDGE disaster. let's all not freak out here. not to mention, some of our CCSLC own work for adidas/rbk NHL as far as i know, and they aren't going to let bad things happen
  18. you can throw out all the adjectives in the thesaurus if you want, but come on.... i'm seeing some complete overreactions to designs that are overall, pretty clean, crisp, representative of their respective teams, and.... good. not INCREDIBLE, but good. sure they didnt take too many risks but sometimes it takes balls to go in an ultra-simplistic direction. i know everyone and their mother on this board thinks that they can come up with better designs on the little concepts forum around here, but i guarantee that if you were behind the scenes and on the teams that designed these, you'd be far more hesitant to be so critical. Lol, just tell people who worked through the design process here that the jerseys are "trash heaps" to their face. And then try to have a rational conversation and see if they take you seriously. I'd love to be on a fly on the wall for that interaction. Adidas is not going to change very much when they "take over" the NHL jerseys in 2017. they already own reebok, hopefully you realize that. all under the same umbrella. plus youre already seeing what adidas is going to "do" to the NHL in the stadium series unis. look at colorado.... bold, clean, thick lines... blocks of constrasting color used effectively, sure the numbers are way too big on the stadium series unis but that's pretty much having the NHL saying "yeah, make them 150% bigger and we will be good to go". design is pretty tasteful there. adidas is not going to touch any of the classic uniforms like the original six and such, maybe, across the league, they will put a tiny touch of the triple stripe on the sleeve cuff, pants, or bottom of the socks (that's more for their own brand recognition and unfortunately they tend to do that in soccer and basketball too but i'd argue it's not nearly as :censored:ty looking as the strange patches of upper-arm color on Nike's olympic offerings). I'd predict that the most drastic things that they are going to do are take EDGE cluster:censored:s like the Avalanche and just make them more "stadium-series-y". Maybe they will do the same to calgary, pittsburgh, ottawa, teams that got templated and desperately need some T.L.C.... Not many people would argue that the senators EDGE template would look way better if they got "re-templated" to the jerseys that just got released for world cup. instead of their weird diagonal lines it would just be clean vertical stripes on the arms. It's just funny to see the reactions now, you probably weren't around for the 2007 EDGE travesty when all those jerseys were released, but that involved truly disparaging teams with nice uniforms. Blues, Flames, Penguins, Maple Leafs, Senators, Panthers, Stars, Oilers, etc, and to some extent Leafs, all ruined. Piping. Piping sucks. I don't see any piping in what's going down in modern NHL (adidas) design, in fact it seems like the 180 degree opposite. piping is the smallest strips of color you could possibly imagine, the new trend seems to be going big and bold with striping. not a bad thing. oh and guess what reebok (again, it's really Adidas, the company you seem to think is going to butcher the NHL) has been able to do for the past few years? they fixed all the problems with the edge :censored:. Blues-- amazing now. Predators-- still have piping, but better. Panthers-- got rid of piping, so, better. Coyotes-- their redesign i would say is more representative of what we will see in the future-- simple and slightly boring but not overly offensive. Oilers-- thank god they fixed that one. Leafs-- hem stripes got added back. Stars-- fixed! Flyers-- fixed! Penguins-- going in a throwback direction now, thank god. sure, the adidas stripes suck. but once you get past those, the designs are really not bad. sorry for rambling but , TL;DR, nothing is ever going to be as egregious as the EDGE takeover of 2007 and NHL designs have gotten way, way, way better over the past decade. simplicity is not a bad thing, people
  19. Wow it's like a holiday! So many new hockey jerseys to see in one day. Always fun. Gotta disagree with the people who are disliking the Europe jerseys, although i totally understand the hate for them due to their bold nature and the split-down-the-middle thing, but it's a risky design choice that i think ends up looking kind of cool and certainly unique for hockey, and it reminds me of some soccer jerseys that i've liked in recent years. color scheme is about as good as it can get for such a team representing a bunch of nationalities. connects with EU, too. Some of the textures are understated yet nice . the stitching on the sweden crown logos is a fun detail, and i find myself liking the pattern on the young-guns jersey. the color choice there overall for them makes them look rebellious and youthful, and the roman numerals are kind of bad-ass. TOTALLY agree with whoever said the USA missed an opportunity with making the adidas stripes look like the red-white stripes on the flag. Man that would have actually been a beautiful touch on the uniform. As they stand now, i kind of like the simplicity and the logo is nice, but those adidas stripes are jarring and out of place. I don't really mind them in a couple of the designs, because on TV, it will just look like a part of a subtle vertical striping element, like the alternating red/white adidas stripes depending on home/road for Canada, there I think it looks fine. USA kind of blew it there tho and they suck overall when they don't mesh with the rest of the uniform. Blechhhhh we are going to have to get used to adidas stripes. Collars suck. Makes me wish for certain RBK edge collar templates and i don't find myself thinking edge designs are good very often. I guess we will be seeing these types of collars when adidas takes over for real in NHL overall, when it comes to design direction, I mean flags of countries are simple and there's nothing wrong with some of these ultra-simple designs that go for color instead of complicated or modern striping. just makes it look like a classy event. the logo for the event is a joke, so super happy with how the uniforms turned out.
  20. They appear to be stealing images from Sportlogos.net mothership, as well. Weird to see old/bad concepts still floating around like that but at the same time not cited
  21. What is City News, Canada bros? Is that a really unreliable news source or something? I was randomly searching "new toronto maple leafs logo" on Google today, it turned up a logo image and a jersey image from a concept I literally did like 7 or 8 years ago. imagine my surprise as i clicked in to this article and found a bunch of concepts not being cited! I'm just curious as to what this source is at this point, the concept is so awful haha, it's just weird. http://www.citynews.ca/2015/12/14/is-it-time-for-a-leafs-makeover-vote-for-a-new-team-logo/
  22. Really? REALLY? Exactly. What striping? It's just click-n-fill on the sweater. (The socks have stripes, I'll give you that. ) As for the =O= jersey and logos, those fixed the problems with the original Sens. They really toned down the barberpole striping, and added a logo. Yes, it doesn't have that good of logos, but they are Ottawa hockey HERITAGE jerseys. The template is great, and should stay. If the =O= logo stays, It would be ok. Same with the centurion logo. I think if both stayed on the jerseys one way or another, and used the heritage template,it would be a win-win. To me, The Senators have all of the elements in their identity currently to have something strong, they just dont use them properly. It's all up there in the current white jersey above. Especially in the pants: the hint of the barberpole striping down the sides of the pants, the touch of gold used sparingly, with the single red/white stripes side by side. In the uniform, we see that motif used consistently in the the shoulder =O= logo, which is good. We also see a nod to the red/black being used the same amount in the arm striping of that white uniform, but obviously it's butchered by the click-n-fill RBK Edge template... we all know that. The number font is also not great, they need to be using a block font like in their alternate third barberpole jersey. the color balance of the red numbers is good with the black pants. The stripes on the socks should also match the shoulder logo striping pattern. Other than that, add a slight hem stripe to combat the reebok no-hem-stripe Edge thing, change the yellowish gold in the logo to more of a metallic gold, switch the crest logo to the far superior 2D logo (they can continue to use the profile view logo in other places if they want, to me, it just works great as a jersey crest), and fix the aformentioned Edge template problem by "straightening out" the stripes and making them "more barberpole-y". I'd also advocate for a black jersey at home to switch it up more towards the amazing inaugural look (and also differentiate more from the traditionally red canadian teams the Flames and Canadiens).. but i'd understand if they'd want to keep the red prominently featured if the fans like it. Either way, when you take all these tweaks (all currently within their identity, somewhere, like i said), you end up with, in my opinion, a pretty good look.
  23. I completely agree with you. This Rockets concept is symbolic of the basic problem with a lot of my series (and many of the ones I've done and have yet to premiere), it is that I play it too conservatively. When I've gone outside the box (Nets), merged history successfully with my own twist (Cavaliers) or done something substantive yet reserved (Hawks), I feel satisfied and ready to present it. Even my tweaks (Celtics, Bulls, Pistons, Hornets to an extent) can be satisfying, as I've tried to make something that looks good even better. But here, I feel like I didn't go outside enough, that I didn't make it my own. I had doubts about this guy from the time I did some of the initial work on it in March through my various tweaking I did in the intervening months. I felt too tied to "what worked historically" and "keep it conservative/without any real individual character". I don't want this series to become another "simple recolor/logo merge" thread that has polluted the concept board. Sure, some of them are good, but many are problematic. Elliott, this is just what I needed to get the spark lit under my ass and give this series some more oomph. Thank you, and expect a Rockets update within the next few days. Fair enough. That's the problem with some of these series: It's impossible to really improve on a classic look like the celtics for example unless a complete rebrand is in place. But sometimes those concepts are the most fun.... the ones that spark some debate, or riots in the case of messing with boston's look! Good luck
  24. The main problem with the Rockets is that the brand is a little too similar to the Hawks, in your world, but I guess that's unavoidable since both teams should probably be red and yellow. Still, the color balance for your Hawks and Rockets concepts are fairly similar. It's definitely an upgrade of the "nba street" uniforms that they currently wear, but in a way I think you went too throwback here. There are also some inconsistencies that could be cleaned up. I don't think the wide side panels on the shorts, with no side panels on the jersey tops, would translate very well. I think the strongest part of your logo set is the partial logo you have with the rocket circling the basketball, but even this logo screams for an update to bring it in to the 2010s. Redoing the line work to make the strokes consistent, modernizing the rocket, anything. That's simply a matter of putting in a little more time to redo these old logos, it looks like a recoloring now. Same goes with the H and R secondary logos. Another thing, the inconsistency between the numbers and the wordmarks (fonts, dropshadow) also is a bit bothersome in my eyes, just pick with one style and stick with it. I think that if you came up with a more rounded, italicized font that matches the existing wordmarks, you'd already have a unique concept that sets it apart from any other rockets concept. At the moment, it looks like you tweaked a couple of aspects of the retro jerseys and called it a day. You have some nice designs here. Solid presentation, and very thorough with the courts and everything. But, take your time with them. Go beyond just recoloring existing logos and existing wordmarks. The final products will reflect the time you put in to them.
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