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I thought the new unis were supposed to have fir trees?? Just another disposable fashion/promo uni in a series of many that belong outside the court that this City program is.

It’s a basketball.

8 hours ago, pelicanfan said:

i still wouldn’t consider them as the rays though. otherwise the purple trail would be pointing away from the sun as how all sun drawings are generally depicted. i see the purple as just negative space instead of actually the sun itself. i mean that’s exactly what it is for the original sunburst. it still seems the same here except the part of the sun that surrounds the ball now has purple filled in with an orange outline. which i guess you can argue would be the rays now but then the trail part contradicts that

 

If we're going that deep, the orange spikes in the streak are just a speed trail of color left behind by the streaking ball. The spikes surrounding the ball is the actual "shine" which is the rays. Just to make it clear.

2 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

The ray spikes are not purple.  They are light-dark orange, on a purple background.  Why would rays come to a point at the ball (like the purple does) as opposed to 1) actually be touching the ball, and getting thinner as they get further away?

 

The rays that were talked about were the ones surrounding the ball on the new jerseys in particular, not the actual streak/tail you are referring to.

5 minutes ago, gosioux76 said:

 

This point is even more confounding. The design element that's the point of contention is the basketball more than the sun. And unless the Suns are now playing in the ABA, the color of it shouldn't be in question. 

Well, on it's own it's really not an argument, since it's normal for NBA teams to have basketballs in their logo package that are rendered in one of their colors. But, as one of several essential arguments supporting this case, it is obvious.

39 minutes ago, iamdaviinci said:

 

My theory is that this mess at least partially stems from there being no other possible option for this. If you insist on putting a wordmark over a purple background with orange/yellow sunrays, it must be white....to appropriately balance that part of the composition, the ball must be white....to preserve balance throughout the uniform as a whole (including asymmetrical shorts), the front number must be centered....to establish continuity across Association and Icon Editions, these ideas must be applied to white and purple bases. I don't particularly like the end result, but I can at least follow that design logic.

 

 

I'm on board with that. As this discussion has progressed, I've realized more and more that brand continuity and fundamental design just aren't compatible within this uniform set. I think both of those things are essential to any good uniform set, but here each moving piece creates a domino effect that inevitably compromises one or the other.

I see and completely agree with that thought process that you displayed regarding the logic of the elements of the uniform. Only that the bottom-line of my point was, that any possible downside with using an orange ball in this design was so meaningless, that it is barely a decision you make in favor of a more suitable solution when designing for a specific case with certain context in mind, and scrap the other less suitable options in the process, even if some happen to be objectively somewhat better in a vacuum.

55 minutes ago, BBTV said:

The rays surrounding the ball aren't purple. 

 

When your freaking colors are the same color as the object you're portraying, then it should be that color.  They went out of their way to make it different.  Had their colors been green and blue, and there's a white ball, then that's not really a big deal.  That's more analogous to the "eagles aren't green" comparison.  

The ray spikes surrounding the ball are indeed purple (with an orange outline), but that doesn't stop from nor create any visual mismatch for the ball to be orange consistently with their brand. Especially, as said before:

1) Orange is the team and logo color

2) Sun has been portrayed orange in their identity and is literally associated with that color in general

3) Basketball, which the streaking object literally is, is orange.

I really can't believe it is being seriously discussed here what color the sun actually is in reality...

1 hour ago, iamdaviinci said:

Fair enough!

 

Now I'm curious -- do you feel the same when we apply the same ideas to the Association Edition?

 

The idea of the white ball balancing out the wordmark applies to the white jersey even more. But, since the design is being considered for the Suns, I’d say you go with the orange ball despite of it being at a small disadvantage between the two options, which is a rather meaningless difference in this case anyway. Having the color be consistent to the brand is of bigger priority.

What comes to the options #3, I find them too right side heavy with the graphics, so they don’t really work.

6 minutes ago, iamdaviinci said:

 

This is a case where optical alignment is more appropriate than exact alignment.

 

With the wordmark fixed inside the full chest graphic, I agree it wouldn't make sense to center the wordmark exactly -- the ball/sun is already truncated as is, and this would just about eliminate it altogether.

 

But that being said, an off-center white wordmark followed by an orange ball would create an unbalanced composition given the centered numbering. It isn't as obvious with Booker's #1, but gets worse with Beal's #3 and worse again with KD's #35.

 

Ignoring the preferred color of the ball for a second, which of the following three options feels most balanced? I'd argue Option 1, as the full composition appears balanced in terms of both color and density. Option 2 lacks color balance for the reason mentioned above, while Option 3 corrects that issue only to make one side significantly more dense than the other.

 

I'll take the fundamentally sound design choice over the familiar/traditional/literal/etc. ones every single time.

 

I see where you are coming from, and what I meant to imply was focusing on the idea of centering the wordmark in general.

Yes, the first pic with the actual design looks most balanced out of the three, if you compare side by side. But with the white ball being such an egregious misstep, and the offset of the middle version being so minimal to the degree of it being irrelevant for the reasons I mentioned above – going with the orange ball is a no-brainer.

I don't see the issue existing with the Suns' wordmark having to be "balanced out" with a white ball. The wordmark is fixed inside a slanted graphic that goes across the entire chest. There's not that much importance for it to be aligned rigorously at the centerline.

They also have their orange partial streaking sun logo on the waistband, which creates inconsistency. It's a fundamental thing to use a similar graphic throughout the identity. And in this case it's so obvious the white ball was a choice to stray away from resembling the original streaking sun unis too much, something that has already been done with other teams. It seems they are totally willing to do that at the expense of the visual quality of the outcome.

The ball being white sticks out as a problem even more in practice. It leaves the uniform without enough orange and with a feeling of uncolored (unfinished) elements.

Not feeling the white ball either. What are the chances they are making these inferior design decisions, along with some other unis that were inspired by a previous classic design, to be clearly distinguishable from it, and not lose the opportunity to still have the original classic design sell separately? I'm very positive that's the reason.

20 hours ago, Digby said:

 

Basically how I'm thinking about it. I'm never a fan of nickname jerseys but "Crescent City" and the Pelicans font does at least work nicely with the over-and-under wordmark treatment. Feel like more gold somewhere in there would've done well to feel distinctly Pelicans.

The collar and arm trim needs a gold (outer) stripe too.

7 hours ago, MrAstrodome said:

 

 

I like the Fiesta colors.. It was always jarring when they had the Fiesta logo on their court and warmups and yet switch to black and silver. The 20-21 and 21-22 City editions were perfect.

 

 

I loved the court they made for those too, and that second alternate uni, even though there should've been some more elements left black. The first uni, black one, felt like an afterthought with what came across as some existing script font just slapped on the jersey. Bad it wasn't, though. But all that, as said previously, for occasional use.

7 hours ago, the admiral said:

If you need to bring more colors into the fold (which I'm not averse to, the Spurs are not the Raiders or the White Sox), you have the fiesta tones right there. I don't see a need for gold.

Fiesta doesn’t do it to me, I see it as an occasional one-off a la Miami Vice. Interesting per se, but too disconnected and not a colorway I’d like to have for a permanent look.

2 hours ago, the admiral said:

The Spurs' big issue to me was that they shifted from Eurostile, a font that's been around the block but is still distinctive and versatile, to United Sans, a font that screams "I'm trying to do sports letters" and has been Neutraface-tier overexposed over the last ten years. The colors are what they are and get the point across, but what a downgrade elsewhere.

I, on the other hand, liked the font change fresh up, since Eurostile was already getting to feel dated. The colors just lack that something to me, and the metallic gold would fit like a glove as that missing piece.

12 hours ago, the admiral said:

Dark purple and red is intriguing, but gold, black, and silver is the better choice. It feels both avian and reptilian. 

Speaking of black, silver, and gold – I liked how the Spurs' 50th anniversary addition of metallic gold to the respective logo and the court meshed with the existing colors, and would definitely be for adding it to their scheme on par with silver. As it is, their brand and uniforms always feel underwhelming to me, even though the graphic package is solid.

2 hours ago, -Akronite- said:

Denver should ditch it for the Powder Blue look as the primary (can live with the current scheme but has never grabbed me).

It's just that they use it in the most dull way. They either don't stick to the properly-colored alternates, or mess up the design of the ones they currently have.

At one point in the 00s–10s half the league was red. This time around the color that should be diminished is black, it's the same situation. Clippers and Magic are ones who have no business being primarily black, for instance.

2 hours ago, sayahh said:

 

That "8 fouls" stat cracked me up cuz at first I thought that Summer preseason games might have had different rules (since the league likes to experiment with new rules and equipments in preseason, G-League and ASGs) but I am going to assume it's over the 2 games.

It's up to 10 fouls in a summer league game.

The new Kings' scripts are well crafted, and even though of all teams it wasn't them who really needed a script wordmark (as opposed to the Clippers), it fits them great.

The new uni design and template works just perfectly, only that they laid an egg on the white jersey with its predominant use of black – the wordmark, number, and trim. Especially when it blends visually with the purple stripe on the trim and appears just as an even larger splotch of black. Should've switched the black's and the purple's places on the collar and trim, to match the shorts, and made either the wordmark or the number purple, or both.

Another remark is the away uni made black instead of purple, but as has been said, I guess I can live with it in this case, since the design and the color distribution on it are so all-around flawless. If only the third purple uni we got wasn't such trash.

On 6/27/2023 at 3:27 PM, projectjohn said:

Potential hot take - I like that Pacers set a lot better than the ones that have come after it.

Neither ones are very good.

17 hours ago, Sport said:

Who's your all-time favorite Denver Nugget? Mine's Nick Van Exel.

Carmelo Anthony

2 hours ago, GoGreenGoWhite said:

I was commenting on game 4, Lakers in yellow at home and Dubs in blue.

Ah, my bad.

10 minutes ago, kimball said:

 

The sad reality is that's not even technically considered their "HOME" jersey since the gold jersey is considered their Icon Edition.

 

Thanks Nike.

 

True, and these new uniform designations is what's screwed up.

On 5/9/2023 at 5:09 AM, GoGreenGoWhite said:

Nice to see the warriors and Lakers wearing their correct uniforms tonight.

Not really correct, the Lakers wore their home uniforms on the road.