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Welp, RSE invoked the firefighters and is dropping random numbers to indicate the team will be a financial success. If the council folds on the out clause issue they should be executed for gross public malfeasance.

Why would they invoke the firefighters? And which ones did they invoke. Invoking Glendale's is a bad move because they'll take even bigger cuts WITH the team than they will without it, the city's own analysis backs that. And if they brought up the 19 who died they should be dragged out of that meeting and beaten.

Well I hope you have a stick handy because its the latter.

Are you kidding me? What a bunch of no class :censored:tards. What was the context they brought them up, not that ANY is acceptable when they're begging to suck money from the public teat.

Welp, RSE invoked the firefighters and is dropping random numbers to indicate the team will be a financial success. If the council folds on the out clause issue they should be executed for gross public malfeasance.

Why would they invoke the firefighters? And which ones did they invoke. Invoking Glendale's is a bad move because they'll take even bigger cuts WITH the team than they will without it, the city's own analysis backs that. And if they brought up the 19 who died they should be dragged out of that meeting and beaten.

I will say this. If the NHL goes to Seattle, it is imperative for the league to get control of a hypothetical new arena and then absolutely refuse to give a lease to an NBA team. A Sonics revival is not in its best interests.

Not possible. The hypothetical arena is being built by the guys trying to bring the NBA to Seattle. Hockey is always going to be a secondary consideration even with a team at Key Arena. That said a secondary consideration Coyotes in Seattle are better than the no consideration Coyotes in Glendale.

No, not really. I'd rather the NHL not be a catspaw for some effort to secure a basketball team.

You say that like the NHL hadn't sacrificed its dignity long ago.

The NHL still has more shreds than the Arena League. Talk with them.

The arena league isn't a "Big 4" league either and is more of a circus sideshow to fill dates at arenas. It's a small step above things like that PASL-Pro.

Frankly I'd much rather the NHL be "catspaw" as you call them than continue the charade in Glendale that people who live where it's 110 during the day care about ice hockey.

I will say this. If the NHL goes to Seattle, it is imperative for the league to get control of a hypothetical new arena and then absolutely refuse to give a lease to an NBA team. A Sonics revival is not in its best interests.

Not possible. The hypothetical arena is being built by the guys trying to bring the NBA to Seattle. Hockey is always going to be a secondary consideration even with a team at Key Arena. That said a secondary consideration Coyotes in Seattle are better than the no consideration Coyotes in Glendale.

If Bettman and Daly are there tonight, then you'd have to think Sherwood got the council to give the nice men their money so no one gets hurt.

Craig Morgan ‏@cmorganfoxaz2h

An NHL spokesperson said that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly plan to be in Glendale tonight.

I'm not sure they're there to simply accept the check. Remember Gary is the current owner of the Coyotes and does have a vested interest in the proceedings tonight. And he may be there to issue an ultimatum prior to the vote in person as well. Informing them that if they vote for their proposal (as appears to be the current plan), the team will be promptly filling their U-Haul's and heading up to Seattle for 2013-14.

And seriously, who uses a first-round pick on a guy in :censored:ing Junior B? Well, Don Waddell, I guess. The Jets inherited the most understaffed, underqualified hockey-ops department in the league. It could take another five years to turn that thing around, and they don't even seem like they're in a hurry. It never ends for that place.

Now it's coming out that Global Spectrum (a division of Comcast, the owner of the Flyers and the NHL's media overlord) is signing on to be Ice Edge's arena manager. And now it's clear why they were conspicuously uninvolved in the bidding for the job.

Why is it clear they were absent from the bidding process?

Count didn't want them involved in the process to run the arena without the team, obv.

Oh I see what you're saying. Makes total sense they'd hang back if they were secretly in bed with RSE already. Wonder if that has any impact on the city's vote. They're paying RSE to pay someone else to run the arena is essentially what voting for RSE would come down to.

Now it's coming out that Global Spectrum (a division of Comcast, the owner of the Flyers and the NHL's media overlord) is signing on to be Ice Edge's arena manager. And now it's clear why they were conspicuously uninvolved in the bidding for the job.

Why is it clear they were absent from the bidding process?

Also found the city's analysis that they'll lose less money short term without the Coyotes pretty damning if they do vote for the 'Yotes version of the plan.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20130701coyotes-deal-facing-vote.html

The Winnipeg Jets had a compensatory draft pick at #59 on Sunday because the Thrashers failed to sign their 2008 first-round pick, whom they drafted out of Junior B. You don't want the Thrashers back.

Uh, yeah I do. I haven't watched hockey in two years, and won't until it comes back to Hotlanta.

You've got the Gwinnett Gladiators. That's all you're getting. Ever. Go support them.

If Bettman and Daly are there tonight, then you'd have to think Sherwood got the council to give the nice men their money so no one gets hurt.

They've allegedly got the votes for the plan 4-3, but if the agreement they approve still has the municipal out clause, RSE won't sign on for it.

Could it be? Could this be the end then? Because as I understand it if they haven't dropped the out clause by today by law they cannot vote on a plan w/o the clause today.

So Glendale has revised its offer to say that, if RSE gets an out clause after 5 years, well, so does the city. Apparently this was sprung on RSE without notice, and is leading to speculation that the city has slipped in a poison pill. Delightful.

If this is the case I am about ready to have a party and for once I'm finally proud of Glendale. I mean horrors, they've asked for the same deal the team is asking for. How dare they...

Daly said he wouldn't rule out Quebec, lets keep our fingers crossed!

Wonder if the reality that Seattle isn't ready in any way shape or form has finally dawned on them. Seems to me their hopes and dreams were riding on this thing being in the pipeline.

When Stern saved the Kings he not only gut punch Seattle's hopes of getting a basketball team, he totally screwed Bettman's master plan.

Looks like the lease agreement has been posted.

http://www.glendalea...116_6062713.pdf

EDIT: a reporter's take on the agreement

http://www.azcentral...-deal-glendale/

So less than a week from the assumed deadline for a deal between Glendale and RSE, the sides appear to be far apart, RSE clearly does not believe Glendale is bargaining in good faith, and Glendale has so far balked at putting the deal on the council agenda.

Maybe they've balked at putting it on the agenda because it's not a good deal. Just a thought.

UPDATE: As of 9:40 p.m. (Arizona time), no deal points were posted on the Glendale City website: www.glendaleaz.com, and there was no notice of a special City Council meeting on July 2. It was unclear what impact that would have on the NHL as it prepared for the Board of Governors meeting Thursday. An email to deputy commissioner Bill Daly was not immediately returned.

Where do we go from here? Given the rampant and rapid twists and turns this story has taken over the past four years, no one can say. Opponents of this deal still want more guarantees on revenue that RSE will not give, reasoning that both sides should assume some risk in a business deal, and that Glendale bears some burden because it chose to build the arena.

This much, however, can be safely predicted: There will be more behind-the-scenes shenanigans, more political plays, more alliances being leveraged.

Behind the scenes, other ownership groups may continue their quest through local lobbyists or local attorneys.

Some of the questions surround John Kaites, a longtime chum of Weiers with deep business ties to the city who visits City Hall frequently and has long been pursuing the purchase of this team. What are his ties to one of the two arena-management bids that are up for consideration if the Coyotes leave, and what will he and his elected buddy do if this deal appears to have traction?

Will Matthew Hulsizer’s representatives offer more infusions of equity into RSE’s deal out of the goodness of their hearts, as multiple sources say they have proposed? Or will they finally realize everyone knows there are very real strings attached — in the form of a prominent role in the hockey operations department that might end GM Don Maloney’s relationship with the team?

Maybe public opinion will hold some sway. Maybe another well-timed release of a red herring will alter the climate once again, as some believe Tuesday’s idea of http://www.foxsports...399&feedID=9050

Well they didn't release anything in advance of the NHL BOG meeting. And it's not even clear at this point that they'd be able to release anything with enough public lead time. Though it looks like RSE has requested a July 2nd special council meeting be called and the 3 holdover council members per usual are also requesting it (the three of them have got a lot of experience at this point bending over and presenting themselves for the inevitable screwjob). Which would seem to indicate it is the other 4 council members holding up the deal (which makes sense since this is essentially the same deal they all ran on a platform of opposing when the other party was Jamison). If the 4 hold fast it's dead.

When asked to clarify her statement, Alvarez replied, “I called them knuckleheads, because they don’t get it. They don’t get it. They don’t get it. They’re going to continue discussions. Discussions of what? We’re selling City Hall because of paying $50 million. C’mon. C’mon.”

http://www.azcentral...yotes-deal.html

And then there's the fact that the deal completely fell apart and got put back together in a matter of hours.

http://www.foxsports...399&feedID=3545

Honestly reading the Fox article it doesn't sound like it's back together, just that the fallen apart deal from earlier Tuesday is going to be brought before a public council meeting for a vote anyway without it being agreed on before hand (which frankly is how this stuff is supposed to be done rather than closed door backroom dealings that have been happening). But it doesn't seem they have to votes in advance this time. Frankly I think the supporters are trying to force the issue and make the opposition councilors vote publicly against what they see as a "great deal" for the city.

Well nothing new tonight. They still don't have a deal and Glendale still wants more concessions from Renaissance before they go forward with the deal. Basically Glendale has wised up and realized that all the bones Renaissance was throwing them were tied to game-day revenue, which hasn't been very good or consistent for the Coyotes over their lifetime. In addition they didn't vote on the city hall sales plan to pay for the $50 million they've already had to pay the NHL because the NHL played the, "you can pay it in installments if you approve the new deal" card. They'll take another crack at the negotiations on Friday it looks like. But they're also expressing doubt they'll be able to meet the July 2 deadline.

Frankly I don't see why they just don't call the NHL's bluff at this point. I don't believe for a second they'll go running to a dump of an arena in Seattle with a murky ownership group and no active plans for a new arena in a market largely an unknown hockey quantity at this point.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20130625glendale-unsure-phoenix-coyotes-deal.html

Wow. Just when we think it can't get more absurd, it does.

Well we know their end game now... bankruptcy. The last city I heard that did a similar move like this was Stockton, CA (yeah the same Stockton that became the largest US city to declare bankruptcy). And they didn't take on $15 million in annual wasteful payments to a hockey team AFTER they sold their city hall either. Hopefully the new owners and NHL take this into account. Because they won't be getting $15 million annually from Glendale when they file for bankruptcy protection in a year or two.

It's those damn pensions for public workers I tell you.

For Stockton it was, definitely. For Glendale it'll be the Coyotes if they go through with this lease. Hopefully a bunch of citizens come out and tell them that tonight. Time to give up on the failed Westgate experiment, sell the land and try to make some money back that way.

Wow. Just when we think it can't get more absurd, it does.

Well we know their end game now... bankruptcy. The last city I heard that did a similar move like this was Stockton, CA (yeah the same Stockton that became the largest US city to declare bankruptcy). And they didn't take on $15 million in annual wasteful payments to a hockey team AFTER they sold their city hall either. Hopefully the new owners and NHL take this into account. Because they won't be getting $15 million annually from Glendale when they file for bankruptcy protection in a year or two.

Wow, just gets worse and worse in Glendale in the run up to tonight's first public meeting on the new potential lease. Looks like the city council is going to be voting on authorizing the sale of Glendale City Hall to pay off past debts incurred at the hands of the Coyotes and Dodgers. They'd then lease it back, but would no longer have a city hall. On top of that they still haven't identified how they'd pay for the $15 mil annual payment to the Coyotes under the new agreement being bandied about that they may or may not vote on by July 2. And to add the ultimate insult to injury they're labeling the sale as an "emergency measure" and hid it deep in the agenda tonight to bypass having to take such a drastic move (like selling city hall) to the taxpayers for a referendum.

http://www.theglobea...rticle12791999/

I know it's a low bar to clear, but putting the majority of the burden of the arena management fee on actual patrons of the arena is arguably the most logical concept we've had in this entire saga.

In principle that sports should be self sustaining, yes it is. But in practice in Glendale... it'll be disastrous. If they're already having trouble drawing, which they are, with free parking and tickets costing very little relatively now... they're not going to do better when ticket prices up $5-10 a ticket and parking costing $15.

Looks like some of the details of the deal that would keep the Coyotes in Glendale if approved have leaked out. The main takeaway for the day to day Phoenix fan is that every fan on average would have to pay $20 more a game to attend between the cost of parking and ticket surcharges. Which is sure to help pack them in for a team that's already struggling with attendance. Especially when it's likely new ownership would have to raise ticket prices in addition to the $20 in surcharges just to break even.

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2013/06/24/5402/coyotes-lease-claims-if-true-would-require-20-in-surcharges-per-fan/

So what's the deadline they need to meet in Glendale to be able to publicly vote on July 2? As I understand it they have to make the details of the deal public a certain number of days in advance of that meeting by law or they can't vote on it.

I'm not sure what the legal requirements are, but according to everything I've read they've been hoping to release details of a deal early this week:

http://www.azcentral...likely-end.html

City officials hope to release details of that draft deal with the hockey team’s prospective owners early next week, then vote on a proposal by July 2, said Glendale spokeswoman Julie Watters.

(This was written on Friday so next week is this week.)

http://www.usatoday....p-deal/2448093/

If things go as planned, city officials would post details of the contract on the city's website as early as Monday and the council would schedule a public council vote for July 2, she said.

(Monday is today! But when have things gone as planned in Glendale?)

Well I believe they need 7 days so if they don't release today it looks like they can't vote on it July 2. If they can't vote July 2 this may be the end... FINALLY.

So what's the deadline they need to meet in Glendale to be able to publicly vote on July 2? As I understand it they have to make the details of the deal public a certain number of days in advance of that meeting by law or they can't vote on it.

This is the Cleveland Barons all over again, only with a worse arena situation.

So what? Honestly I'm to the point where I'm rather enjoying the NHL using one of their franchises to make an ass of themselves. Now they'll continue doing just that and we get to watch them do it in a different surroundings. It'll make for some continued reasons to say OITGDNHL while watching a whole new set of stupid decisions be made.

Seattle's mayor says Kypreos is wrong, Key Arena will be ready.

http://www.twitter.c...111881749266433

"Will" be ready?

I like the sound of that.

So the Glendale council met last night to consider Renaissance's pitch for how they've found $9.5 million more in revenues to share to move the arena management subsidy from $6.5 million to $15 million. The response was, shall we say, underwhelming? Alvarez walked out.

http://www.azcentral...ils-excite.html

The important information is that there doesn't seem to be the momentum and will to get a vote on this before the NHL's benchmark date of 27 June. Who blinks first?

So was it really the city manager in Glendale that brokered this "deal" with the NHL. Because it sure doesn't seem like the Glendale council is all that enthusiastic about it. Which doesn't surprise me since all of the new members ran on a turning down this kind of deal platform.

What exactly is wrong with Quebec City?

For the NHL? It's in French Canada and it would be the smallest market in North American pro sports. Which means it's not exactly helpful in TV deals on either side of the border where Phoenix or Seattle are larger, more interesting markets to the TV guys. And not just any part of French Canada, but a part where French is almost exclusively spoken. Which means it's not a place players are all that fond of going reportedly since so many of them are not even native English speakers and would then have to learn a 3rd language. At least these are the excuses I've heard. Take them as you will.