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12 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

 

If there was a major top 4 Sports tours it would be PGA, ATP, NASCAR and UFC, although a case could be made for F1, but yeah the crux of this thread is team sports, specifically based in North America.  

With the addition of the Las Vegas Grand Prix, the U.S. does have the most races on the F1 calendar by any single nation, which is kinda weird when you think about it. I know it's becoming more popular here (I didn't even start following it until 2020), but it still almost has a feel of us watching from the outside, kinda like European soccer.

4 minutes ago, aawagner011 said:

Great catch. I’d be shocked if this is a ST only jersey and fully expect it’s the new road alt. The times they had a special jersey just for ST, it used the home script. I found some better photos and it looks like they have swapped everything that was gray for red (including placket piping). I kinda liked the gray trim on the road jersey, but this looks good, too. While the gray looked good, it didn’t quite make sense since it was a single braid of trim and they wore it with their standard gray pants which have a blue/red/blue stripe. This red stripe jersey now matches the pants stripe pattern, so I call it either a push or even a slight upgrade. I will miss the contrast of the gray piping since red will be harder to see, but it’s still good.

 

 

 

 

 

For comparison:

 

So if these ARE the new road alts, the road hats are gonna look even more out of place. They actually worked alright with the previous ones. The white A to grey piping were fairly indistinguishable from even a moderate distance, and caused the red "Atlanta" to push forward more. Nice effect actually. But if the road hat is staying, then it completely looks out of place. Maybe they're ditching it?...

8 hours ago, illini1 said:

It doesn’t look the same to me. It says “kept the stitching style”. It doesn’t say it’s chainstitching. I think they might have come up with a way to mimic it. 
 

I hope I’m wrong. 

You are. It is pretty clearly chainstitching on a patch that's on the jersey.

8 hours ago, Cujo said:

 

And so could MLS. Some uber rich dude could fire up a soccer league in the States. And without taking any MLS talent, only acquiring talent from other leagues around the world, could easily overtake MLS in supremacy.

 

You absolutely cannot say the same for NFL, MLB, NBA or NHL.

That's not the determining factor of what constitutes a "major league". MLS is the top level league of soccer in the U.S. It's widely regarded and accepted as a major league, even if it's not on the same level as the Big 4 in terms of world rankings within their respective sports. You're the one who's going back and forth between using other leagues around the world as a barometer and saying their irrelevant since we're talking about America. I get it, being confusing is your schtick, but every explanation you make is just sadder than the last one.

10 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

Just because MLS has the words "major league" in it doesn't make it a major league.

 

No s#!+. That's why I mentioned it.

You're just contradicting yourself left and right now.

Just now, GDAWG said:

 

Is NASCAR a major sport?  It is, I was never saying it wasn't.  I was saying it wasn't a league, but yeah a Major Sports Tour is the right word.  

"Tour" and "League" seem to be best ways to differ the organizations while still acknowledging their major status.

1 minute ago, Cujo said:

 

This is about America. "The Big 5" -- please remember the topic at hand.

No kidding. In America, MLS is a major league, and not just because it's in their name. You had them listed as a minor league due to their world status. So... sarcasm or hypocrisy?

1 minute ago, GDAWG said:

 

That is what I have been trying to say. The BIG 4 all have home markets and that is what makes them different than NASCAR, PGA/LIV, ATP and UFC and its why I don't consider NASCAR a major sports league rather a major sports organization.  

 

But I guess I have different views of what a league is compared to others.  

It may be the wording. Major Sports TOUR is a little more obvious. All are organizations, to an extent.

1 minute ago, Cujo said:

Top tier -- where the very best in the world play:

NFL

MLB

NBA

NHL

 

Mid tier -- where the best play, just not as popular:

NASCAR

PGA/LIV

WNBA

Pro bowling

Horse racing

 

Low tier -- a collection of minor leaguers:

MLS

XFL/USFL

MiLB

NBA G-League

Go to any country not England, Germany and Spain, and they'll consider they're soccer league a major league. It's based on each individual nation, not the world. The level of each league within their sport is determined by world popularity. The NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL, on a global scale, have no other major leagues (within different nations) that are on par with them. Doesn't make the NPB any less of a major league. But in Japan, not the U.S.

I consider NASCAR, PGA/LIV, ...TENNIS, major sports, but are  tours, not leagues. Since they're individual competitors (even if technically on teams in some) and go from city to city in a once-a-year special event at that location, rather than having a home market like in team sports.

9 minutes ago, raz said:

If college athletes are allowed to unionize (as they may soon), here's how I think we rank them:

 

1. NFL

2. College football 

3. NBA

4. College basketball 

5. MLB

6. NASCAR 

7. NHL

8. MLS. 

Just because you keep listing college sports in here, doesn't make it so.

5 minutes ago, LaGrandeOrange said:

 

I'm aware this is not a legitimate argument, but this can get into slippery slope territory, at any given time there are a few NPB players who are among the ~100 or so best baseball players in the world, same for the KHL. Euroleague basketball doesn't have quite the same pull, but there are certainly at least a whole teams' worth of NBA level salary cap casualties or young guys who will eventually come over.

Any of those player will make the jump to MLB, NBA and NHL if given the opportunity. There's really no question in the big 4 (of 5) who the top leagues in the world are.

6 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

How can we group MLS with the other four leagues, when the world's best players don't play there?

It's the major league in soccer in the U.S. And arguably the greatest player of all-time IS playing here, so...

6 minutes ago, Cujo said:

Fanatics deserves jail time for this !!!

 

Are those minor leaguers? Do they have to earn the larger names by making the major league roster?

26 minutes ago, raz said:

Definitions mean everything. If by "major league" you mean paid athletes (to some degree), big TV contract, nationwide spread, big numbers, big events ... I'd wanna throw college football in there. Before even MLS. 

College players are paid for endorsements by companies, not paid to play from the universities, so no, it's not a major league. A "major league" is one considered on the highest level of its respective sport. Technically the CFL is because it's the highest level of Canadian football, even still if it is far from the level of the NFL. They're also technically two different sports. What WE consider the 5 major leagues are largely due to them being the 5 most popular sports in the country (4 of which are the pinnacle leagues of their sport in the entire world).

5 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

 

4 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

I tend to doubt the Bay Area is going to get a second team, regardless of the City of Oakland's government. I know it's  a big area, but most two-team metros were established before many southeastern and southwestern cities grew so quickly. 

Without (hopefully) starting an argument of franchise- vs. city-models of history recognition, I think any agreement to leave the history, etc. behind would result in the official loss of an original AL franchise (not to mention the Swingin' A's).

Maybe, maybe not. Times have changed in this regard.  

As I understand it, if the Twins ever move (a likely occurrence next time the team comes to the taxpayers with their hands out), the original AL team's history dies with the relocation (well, officially it gets put on hold). 

But the Twins identity originated in Minnesota, not elsewhere before they moved there. Plus, it's rather market-specific. Very few other markets could work with the "Twins" moniker, and nowhere else is it anywhere near as relevant as it is in the Twin Cities.

18 minutes ago, tBBP said:

 

I just want to circle back to this tweet, now that I'm getting caught up.

 

Did everyone just completey gloss over the FONT  used in this tweet? Tell me someone else sees what I see in plain sight: an updated version of the old logo font. This also leads me to now believe we will indeed be seeing an updated version of the 80s-90s JETS helmet logo.

 

(I also wouldn't be totally mad if they fleshed out an accompanying number set with that font, either, just based off the three digits that appear up there...)

Given that it says the Legacy Whites are staying and that there will just be a new set of green and black, I'd assume, for the green and whites at least, the block numbers will remain.

6 hours ago, Walk-Off said:

On one hand, I think that the A's ownership's lack of progress on both a new permanent home ballpark in the Las Vegas area and securing a post-2024 interim venue is fomenting plenty of leverage for the Oakland and Alameda County governments.  On the other hand, I am concerned that Oakland and AlCo will end up overplaying their hand as long as their negotiators insist upon more or less a Cleveland deal -- i.e. a stipulation that if and when the A's relocate, the A's leave behind their intellectual property and history in Oakland and MLB guarantees that one of its next expansion teams be in Oakland.

That last part won't happen. They'll just play somewhere else until the new stadium is ready. And there's no way they're leaving behind the A's identity, an identity that started in Philadelphia and whose colors started in Kansas City.

1 hour ago, Sodboy13 said:

Well, everyone sure got their money's worth out of that set!

I watched most of that one. It was pretty entertaining. A lot of long rallies, including match point, if I'm not mistaken. It's been almost 24 hours, so...

2 hours ago, aawagner011 said:

First look at the chain stitching for the Cardinals. Not quite as good as direct embroidery, but I think they managed to pull it off quite nicely. The way the patch is applied is pretty subtle.

 

 

That "outline" better at least be gray on the aways and not white.

11 hours ago, JohnnyCowboy5 said:

no they arent one of teams getting a city jersry

3 minutes ago, fouhy12 said:

 

 

For comparison:

1 hour ago, rshs1991 said:

The UCF pinstripe uni, reminds me soooooo much of Missouri State Bears alternate home uniform!

Missouri State, huh? Your name wouldn't be a reference to Reeds Spring, would it?

31 minutes ago, The_Admiral said:

"5 million fans" is a whopper. The Cubs and Wrigley are world-famous and at their best they draw 3 million. 

 

I'm all in on this being the site for a new Bears stadium. It's the only outcome that resembles making sense.

5 million fans across 81 games a year would require a stadium capacity of nearly 62k, nearly 6k more than Dodger Stadium, which is the largest baseball (specific) stadium in the world.