charger77

Greed my friends, greed. And as long as they want to get greedy, I support Jimbo and my cousin Vinny saving their money as long as they don't cost us fellow Americans Jobs.

So doing something illegal is ok as long as it isn't an American that gets screwed?

When these unlicensed products are illegally bought and sold the NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA ect are all losing on revenue. I'm guessing an American or two gets screwed in that process.

if fakes were 15 bucks, id be all over it, but 50-60? Id rather just buy a replica for 80 by then and know that the money is going to reebok and the nfl

They're only $20 ($30 for NHL) compared to the real deal, it's much better. I've never bought a counterfeit, only replicas, but I know people who have and they have no complaints at all about them. Really, its worth saving the money, especially for college kids.

Believe me the fakes are noticable.

When I see this on the Counterfit site:

They always forget to add the part that say "Unless you really want one" or, "But its cool if you can't afford the legal ones".

I'm confused...

No crap.

If the merchandise is what I want, chances are I'll buy it, even if it is illegal. Everyone breaks laws and in the grand scheme of things I feel like this is a fairly harmless violation of the law.

Good for you sport, its no speeding right?

This is stupid, the people in this thread bitching about people buying fakes and all that are probably the people that download illegal music and software programs.

Actually I don't download music illegally.

You're using a Transformers avatar. Did you get prior written consent from the creators?

Do you have written consent from the Washington Redskins and/or Sean Taylor?

Fact is that Hasbro, TakaraTomy, Paramount, and Dreamworks have released sets of Transformers imagery, including the Decepticon logo in my avatar, to be used free of charge for use as message board and IM avatars. I could stick a picture of Optimus Prime's face in my avatar space and it would be ok because the owners of the Transformers brand have made it clear they have no issue with people using their IP in such a manner.

Really, though, you're just trying another variation on the same tactic. To try and deflect the issue. What I do is unimportant. The topic of the thread is counterfeit jerseys. Everything else, as far as this thread is concerned, does not matter. At all.

Like BBTV said. If you know it's wrong to support intellectual property theft and you do so anyway then go ahead. The total failure of people here to even recognize that it's wrong is baffling at best and downright sad at worst.

This next image is from NFL Shop. If you are worried about the integrity of these 'counterfeit' jerseys then you should also be worried about 'official' jerseys as well. Turns out the Packers collar is not solid white. Seriously NFL, if you want to stop the counterfeiting, get your own together first.

I think we've covered this before.

Late in the season, when they've run out of white jerseys for teams that go far in the playoffs, they simply take blank Raiders white jerseys and put the appropriate stripes and numbers on them. Hence you'll have disparities like this.

At least a hundred times. It's crap, but it's normal and it's still a licensed replica.

Also, the quality or accuracy of officially-licensed replicas or even on-field jerseys is NOT repeat NOT the issue here. NOT.

NOT.

I don't know what you're getting at but replicas are crappy and too expensive. Why not get a fake?

Explain to me how Joe Sixpack (i.e. not Joe CCSLC Uninerd), or somebody's grandma whose been told Johnny wants a jersey for Christmas, is "stealing" when they go to eBay or what looks to them like a legit website and buys what turns out to be a knockoff?

Knowing you are buying an illegal knockoff and having absolutely no clue that you are a two different things, but that has not been the argument in this thread.

How do people openly sell knockoffs of everything from Coach purses to Vuitton luggage to Rolexes on the streets of New York City if it's so illegal?

Just because many get away with it does not make it less illegal.

The point of this thread is not to be a debate forum for whether or not Chinese counterfeits are ethical to buy, this is supposed to be a photo gallery of how bad they suck.

Can't it be both?

I've, sort of, got an interesting twist to this. My father was a big Ray Nitschke fan as a kid. They have a few counterfeit Nitschke jerseys, and I'd like to get one for him. He's never cared about whether a jersey is authentic. In fact he only owns one jersey, an authentic Panthers hockey jersey that has the #1 and DAD on the back with a captain's "C" on the front. My brother and I gave it to him for Father's Day. Otherwise he'd never buy a jersey for himself.

Seeing as he wouldn't care if it's authentic or not, should I get him the Chinese counterfeit? If he ever found out I spent $300 on an authentic jersey for him, he'd return it because that's how he is. He doesn't want people going out of their way for him. If he knows I only spent $30, he's much happier (weird, right?). Thoughts?

Even if its a gift, its still illegal.

I have a couple of Chinese fakes that I bought during he summer, a red Jonathan Toews and a black Alexei Ramirez. The Ramirez one looks great, the Toews one is a little off, and it doesn't bother me. Combined they cost me like $75, about a third of what they would cost had I bought a real one.

Blackhawk fakes can be spotted from a million miles away. I'm guessing the name font is wrong and they didn't get the 1 right and the Captian's C is incorrect too.

I hated when this store opened, as they sold the crap posted in this thread, so I'm glad the owner got his:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/190887/group/homepage/

Why can't the Feds go after more important crimes like speeding?

But other than that...

Los and Angeles appears to be seperate on the NBA.com jersey but not on the fake. Also, the LAC monogram appears to be lower on the collar on the fake than on the NBA.com version.

That's an overlooked part of this discussion, the fact that the NFL obviously has no interest whatsoever in the visual integrity of their teams' uniforms.

It's overlooked because it's irrelevant.

Also, I just skimmed the last few pages so I may have missed this, but was there an good argument made on the side of the NFL being a monopoly? If so, could it be repeated, because I have no idea how this could be the case (even if there's some kind of anti-trust exemption in play.) I don't see how a product manufacturer doesn't have exclusive rights to their product, and the NFL is in effect one single manufacturer. If you want to make the argument that the 32 teams should be split up into more independent entities, then that's one thing, but either way, I fail to see any way to argue that the NFL is a monopoly.

Yeah, isn't that like saying McDonalds is a monopoly because only they can sell McDonalds products?

Do you think driving while intoxicated is a victimless crime?

Yes.

But once an accident occurs it becomes a crime with a victim.

SO, has charger77 bought any knock offs since starting this thread ?

Nope.

GOING TO ?

Nope.

Ever think of taking advantage of an "internet deal"?

Here is their "quality"

Most of these sites have pop-up "customer service" boxes where the sales rep admitted to me that the jerseys are counterfit... his words!

Low quality China jerseys.

Take a look at their hockey jerseys. They can't get a font type or size correct to save their lives.

Their North Star Ns are way to big, same with the Whaler logos.

Their Blackhawk 1s are in correct.

ok, so , do you buy the stuff or not ? regardless of this banter

The materials used on letters number and patches don't seem to be the high quality material.

You definately get what you pay for.

From your link, the "low quality Chinese jersey" looks better than what the Colts wear on the field. Just saying...and laughing.

You think so?

To me the poor quality of the numbers and letters just scream "cheap knockoff to me". For example do you notice the "wavyness" in the numbers? It is not the stiff tackel twill that should be there. Its kind of the same material of a logo that would be on a Starter jacket.

Do you think driving while intoxicated is a victimless crime?

Yes.

But once an accident occurs it becomes a crime with a victim.

SO, has charger77 bought any knock offs since starting this thread ?

Nope.

Do you think driving while intoxicated is a victimless crime?

Yes.

But once an accident occurs it becomes a crime with a victim.

Here we go again with the armchair intellectual property lawyers.

If the NFL or MLB has a problem with what some manufacturer is doing, let them sort it out in court just like all the other IP disputes. I'm not a judge, I'm not going to sit there and figure out which jersey is actually licensed and which one isn't. If someone is selling me something sweet for cheap (and it's not breaking the law to buy it as in the case of stolen property), then let the NFL, MLB or whoever use some of their dough to litigate and shut down any actual illegitimate providers. Cost of doing business.

Just because something is the source of an IP dispute doesn't mean us lowly peons all have to abide by what the Internet Law Groupthink Pundits think is right. It's not up to me (or them) to fix the NFL or MLB's problems.

Following the logic of Internet Law Groupthink Pundits, I expect them to refrain from using WiFi because WiMAX is challenging all kinds of patents related to that technology. Every time they use WiFi, they're depriving WiMAX of what they claim as their cut. Horrors!

+1. THANK YOU.

YAY for stealing!

...says the person who admits to speeding on a regular basis, AND not caring about it because it's not his car.

Actually, I have said that I don't speed because it is not my car.

If you're gonna call me out get your facts straight:

#2 Since I drive a company car I do not speed out of fear/concern of tickets or trouble at work.

And, even though you can't manage to understand it: Speeding is a victimless crime a whereas stealing is not.

Here we go again with the armchair intellectual property lawyers.

If the NFL or MLB has a problem with what some manufacturer is doing, let them sort it out in court just like all the other IP disputes. I'm not a judge, I'm not going to sit there and figure out which jersey is actually licensed and which one isn't. If someone is selling me something sweet for cheap (and it's not breaking the law to buy it as in the case of stolen property), then let the NFL, MLB or whoever use some of their dough to litigate and shut down any actual illegitimate providers. Cost of doing business.

Just because something is the source of an IP dispute doesn't mean us lowly peons all have to abide by what the Internet Law Groupthink Pundits think is right. It's not up to me (or them) to fix the NFL or MLB's problems.

Following the logic of Internet Law Groupthink Pundits, I expect them to refrain from using WiFi because WiMAX is challenging all kinds of patents related to that technology. Every time they use WiFi, they're depriving WiMAX of what they claim as their cut. Horrors!

+1. THANK YOU.

YAY for stealing!

gross.

In addition to the obvious problems, does the jersey on the right show a "5" on the sleeve? WTF!

Yeah, but if you really, really want a jersey but can't afford one.

This is not a matter of opinion. Your argument is the same as trying to convince people that 2 + 2 = 5. It's 4. Fcuking 4.

This and the "low rent DG_Now" comment are the two greatest things I have ever read in the CCSLC!

now I see a pointless argument about being against the law...?

Like it or not, its illegal.

Look if some guy in America is trying to sell obvious fakes and ripping off a company in America by/for lying is one thing and against the law. But if an American company is using Chinese makers to make their jersey and those Chinese sell a few on the side because our laws dont apply to them. Thats not against the law, thats a contractual problem that the American company cant do crap about. Its an extension of free enterprise. It may be odd, but its not like buying your neighbors stolen stereo from another guy who took it.

However, this is not the case.

Let's go in circles again, I like doing that. Speeding is a potentially deadly infraction of the law (certainly moreso than counterfeit merchandise), yet almost everyone does it. Do you think we should suspend everyone's license?

If they are busted multiple times for speeding... yes.

But back on topic: Do you really not understand the difference between right and wrong do you know what theft is? I know you like to brag that you are a college grad. But do your school a favor and don't say the name of the school you went to out loud, it may hurt enrollment.

So, if a person can't afford it they should break the law?

-Dan

The normal consumer doesn't know it's a law. Or more accurately is unaware of the illicit sellers. Obvious counterfeits are obvious, sure, but some clever knock-offs aren't obvious. It's easy to assume that you're getting a good deal or "cutting out the middle-man".

Isn't "cutting out the middle man to get a good deal" a cute way of saying you are buying stolen property?

Here's a thought: People who want to buy knockoffs, can buy knockoffs. People who don't want to buy knockoffs, don't buy knockoffs.

You didn't learn anything about the law in college?

As a Mechanical Engineering major, not really.

You didn't learn about right and wrong at any point in your life?