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8 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

Didn't realize that.  Wrapping is a thing though, right?  Even if not in this case.

 

Yeah, vinyl wrapping isn't at all uncommon for things like cars and motorcycle helmets. In theory it could also be used for a football helmet, but the process is slow, requiring removal of all decals, a lot of cleaning to make sure no dirt is under the vinyl (that stuff becomes extremely obvious when wrapped), then heat, and a good amount of time to apply. As I noted above, this process just likely isn't worth it for teams when you can approximate with a team color helmet and it'll look fine.

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

 

if they were going to do a wrap then the one-helmet rule shouldn't have mattered.  I imagine the wraps are no longer allowed, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a safety thing, like maybe the friction is different and helmets don't slide off each other when one or both are wrapped.

 

Honestly, I think it's probably more of a cost-value judgment. Helmet wrapping isn't exactly the fastest process in the world, and for a full NFL team of 52+ players that would be a pretty short window to apply and then remove the wraps between games. I can't imagine teams want their equipment staffs dealing with that midweek, and it's likely not viable to send them off-facility and have them returned quickly enough for players who have to wear them in practice.

 

With a two helmet rule teams could just have that done before the season and the weeks leading up to the game for every player.

46 minutes ago, MNtwins3 said:

Where did you hear Green Bay will have an alternate

 

I don't remember where in the thread it is and don't really have the energy to look, but they were supposed to have a new throwback this year but things got all jumbled with Covid, so it got pushed back a year. At least if I'm remembering correctly, that's what happened.

19 hours ago, guest23 said:

 

I think this was rationalized/sold as a raiders to vegas kind of deal, the amount of b10 alumni in the tri-state was a large enough number that they would go to rutgers to catch their school play within a short drive. The other benefit was giving psu an additional home game as scheduling permitted.

 

People also forget that at the time the deals to bring Rutgers and Maryland into the Big 10 in late 2012, Rutgers football wasn't the complete garbage fire it has been recently. They had a winning record in 7 of their prior 8 seasons and were a consistent bowl presence. Even in their first year in the big ten, they had a winning record overall and a bowl appearance. Combine that with the new york media market being more readily accessible and it at least kiiiiind of makes sense at the time. Of course, even back then the move was questioned.

1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

Hey, raw eggs, brandy, and rat poison are perfectly fine stimulants for running a marathon on a hot and humid dirt track! Sure, there’s only one water station, but that’s to test the fit nature of these fine competitors.
 

That’s my favorite Jon Bois video, except for maybe the Georgia Tech-Cumberland or Mariners chart video collaboration.

 

I’m fine with the name, as it honors a transformative event for the history of St. Louis and their “peak” as an international city.

 

The crazy part is that the marathon isn't even nearly the worst part of those Olympics. That would be the Anthropology Days, which were a wildly racist display designed by the organizers to pit non-white competitors from around the world taken from the "human zoo" at the World's Fair, and push their theories of white supremacy.

37 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

I think I’ve come around to St. Louis 1904 or Olympique St. Louis.

 

Nothing says "we strive for success" like naming yourself after the complete and utter show that was the 1904 Olympics.

2 hours ago, cajunaggie08 said:

It appears Under Armour is attempting to terminate their UCLA deal.

 

https://twitter.com/latbbolch/status/1276907378202472448?s=19

Backing out of the MLB deal and now trying to back out of this show just how dire the financial situation is at UA.

 

Hard to believe they were the fastest rising company in the sports apparel industry just a few years back. Another lesson in the dangers of overextension and incredibly irresponsible spending during periods of success.

9 hours ago, L10nheart404 said:

This isn't that big of a deal to me, but why in the hell does every branding event (new uniforms,logos..etc) always have to have some deep reasoning behind every aspect? Not everything needs explaining. I could live with: " Hey, we like the way this looks. End of story" 

 

Because clients eat. that. . up.

I think I was 10 when they introduced the current theme. Even then I hated it compared to this one.

3 hours ago, leopard88 said:

 

They are essential elements to the Roughnecks logo, but they overlay the entirety of the Oilers logo.

 

One way to think about it is that, realistically, the Roughnecks logo would not be what it is if the Oilers logo didn't already exist (i.e., they almost certainly would have gone in another direction).  Instead, they chose the logo they did because there is inherent value and goodwill associated with the Oilers logo.  At a minimum, you would have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

 

Yeah, it wouldn't be hard to make a case for substantial similarity in this instance. Based on the history of these sort of cases, if the Oilers still existed, they would easily win if they were to sue. Both Creighton and Southern Miss ran into this issue with their logos, both are required to be used in application with either the team name or an identifying letter. These examples are also really good examples of why the "30% different is okay" claim that designers make is a load of crap and generally disavowed in IP legal analysis.

 

On 2/21/2020 at 5:35 PM, Dynasty said:

I'm just keeping it simple since I had part of this name for almost six years. Plus, this will indicate that I'm not just limited to Dolphins fandom.

 

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's not how the legal analysis works for that...

Woo Sox it is. Officially Worcester Red Sox with a logo that's an old Walmart smile logo swinging a bat wearing red socks.

 

 

 

On 9/19/2019 at 3:49 PM, mkg74 said:

People shouldnt be judging these upstart leagues on Week 1, it's ignorance and an obvious lack of football knowledge.

 

How is it ignorant or a lack of football knowledge to examine past evidence based on literally every other league and see that this structure they try over and over and over and over won't work? Literally every single alternative football league does the exact same thing and it fails every time. There are hurdles they can never overcome.

 

1) The talent isn't there and never will be. The AFL pulled it off because they had money and there were only 12 teams in the NFL in 1960; the talent pool still had plenty of options for elite talent. The USFL sort of pulled it off for the same reasons, but even they had to sue in an attempt to stay afloat. These alternative leagues are worse than college football because it's filled with college level talent and literally none of the dynamic NFL caliber players that are exciting to watch on Saturdays. At best you're getting a single player who makes the jump and succeeds, but the rest of the XFL players will be guys who would be lucky to be depth talent in the pros.

 

Combine this with the fact that any college football weekend there are 4+ games on at any time, and you can find an interesting game to watch (This is likely a big reason why people like college football more than the NFL). With the XFL you'll have 4 games in one day, and maybe you'll get to see 1 or 2. And you're stuck with it no matter how bad the game is.

 

2) These alternative leagues have zero historical significance to rely upon. Again, overall NCAA talent is worse and more diluted, but people love it because they have emotional ties that can last generations. Millions of people attend colleges and universities, and have family who attended them (This is the second reason I think why a lot of us prefer college football better than the NFL). College football digs into that sense of being the way that pro sports did during their formative years. The Seattle Dragons, a team created a month ago owned by an unlikable multi-millionaire will create no interest or bond for a vast majority of people.

 

3) Leagues nowadays have insane upkeep costs. The financial structure just isn't there to allow them to survive. The AAF had hundreds of millions invested and it collapsed within two months. Every single year makes it even more difficult to meet these financial burdens. Especially when an entire league has less funding than a single NFL or top college team.

 

Quite frankly, it's ignorant and lacks football knowledge to put one's faith in any of these leagues surviving beyond one season. It still blows my mind the UFL made it four seasons before folding.

1 hour ago, ThunderCeltic said:

Also on MLB 19 The Show there are several errors on Throwback Uniforms:

 

1977 Blue Jays Away Uniform almost looks white when it should be Powder Blue.

1984 Tigers 1984 Away Batting Helmets should have an Orange English "D" instead of a white one.

1980 Royals Home/Away Uniforms are missing names on the back of their uniforms.

1993 Mariners Away Uniform has a Teal Bill Cap which should be solid Navy.

1993 Marlins Teal Vests Uniforms have Black batting helmets when they should be Teal.

1978 Phillies are missing names on the back of their uniforms.

1984 Cubs Home Uniform has red lettering/numbers when they should be blue.

1993 Brewers almost look Navy when they should be Royal Blue

 

 

MLB the Show has reached a point where its aesthetic issues are just unacceptable laziness. Not a uniform issue (I've already talked about those pretty extensively), but I was playing as the Astros in franchise. In a game against the Yankees, the announcers talked about how this was a potential World Series preview. That means they're using audio clips from 2013 at the most recent.

4 hours ago, nuordr said:

I did a survey to see what people thought of the new logos and out of 128 responses, the people liked the Houston Roughnecks logo the most. 

 

The social scientist in me wants to scream right now.

Yeah, these are original XFL uniforms.

 

1. New York/New Jersey Hitmen

2. Las Vegas Outlaws (Probably)

3. Stock Photo

4. Chicago Enforcers

5. No clue

6 & 7. San Francisco Demons

8 & 9. LA Extreme

10. Las Vegas (Probably)

11-13. Stock Images

 

18 minutes ago, Maroon said:

 

You nailed it: https://www.sbnation.com/2019/8/21/20826449/xfl-team-names-ranked-battlehawks

 

Besides Bois, the main SBNation page is all paint by numbers BS. I'd be willing to bet I can also nail the "Why Madden 21 is the BEST Madden Yet!" article that EA pays them to write.

 

13 minutes ago, bosrs1 said:

 

With good reason. They run the gamut from forgettable to downright terrible. When your best offering is a lawsuit resistance Oilers knockoff you’ve got problems.

 

I mean, twitter also has notoriously bad taste. They LOOOOOOOOOOOVED the Browns uniforms when they were unveiled. The names aren't phenomenal, but we live in a culture of performative overreaction, so of course twitter was going to either say these were the greatest things ever or the worst.

I now present my work of speculative fiction “SBNation/Bleacher Report’s upcoming/released within the past 20 minutes, unresearched, unclever, and overreactive article about the XFL Team Names,”

 

 

Vince McMahon’s newly minted XFL released their new logos today to massive fanfare and WOOOOOOOOOOF are they bad! They’re almost as bad as the time Randy Orton was RKO’d by the Rock’s signature Tombstone SUPLEX (Hyperlink to SBNation article)! Below we rank the names and logos of the teams and what we think they should be!

 

THE GOOD

 

1. Tampa Bay Vipers — This name is great  because Florida is hot and has swamps. Snakes like in hot swamps. It also works because Tampa Bay is close to Miami and rich people drive Dodge Vipers!

 

The logo is a V and looks like a car logo, which means it’s SLEEK AND COOL. However, they could’ve made it even better by making the logo this photo LeBron James and Dwayne Wade one time in front of a Dodge Viper!

 

[wade-james -viper.png]

 

2. Dallas Renegades — This is a cool name for a team that will be competing directly with the Dallas Cowboys! They should have a pretty good shot now the the Cowboys’ best players are holding out for more money (Hyperlink to article about Zeke and Dak)!

 

The logo is perfect for a team trying to be Dallas’s BAD BOY team and perfect for a league run by Vince McMahon!

 

THE BAD

 

3. Seattle Dragons — Dragons don’t exist you DUMMIES! If they were going to name their team after a mythical creature, they should have named the team the BEASTS after Marshawn Lynch who LITERALLY caused an earthquake in 2011! (Hyperlink to article “Why Didn’t They Give The Ball To Marshawn???”).

 

The Dragon logo is SOOOOOOO generic! We’d replace it with this image of Bruce Lee from “Enter the Dragon” a CLASSIC movie!

 

4. Los Angeles Wildcats — YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN! What is this, HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL?? (Heh heh, nailed em). This is a league run by VINCE MCMAHON, The man who runs the FLAMBOYANT WWE in LOS ANGELES, a city with TONS OF CULTURE!! Why not name your team after a city icon, like the Los Angeles Black Mambas? Kobe is a TRUE sports legend (Hyperlink to “We’re Gonna pretend Kobe Didn’t Miss 75 Undefended Threes in His Final Game”) and DESERVES a team named after him!

 

Of course, the name wildcats was used in that early 2000s HBO show that I’m too lazy to look up about football players who commit violence, do drugs, and have plenty of sex! That sounds like the attitude of a team in a league run by WWE’s Vince McMahon!

 

5. Houston Roughnecks — What the heck is a roughneck? If you ask ME, it sounds too much like Redneck! Believe me, I was roommates in college with a guy who went to vacation in Houston one time, and they do NOT like being called rednecks. If they wanted a really great team name and logo, they should’ve just called themselves the Oilers, but I’m sure the NFL would have been a bunch of no-funs and tried to stop them (Hyperlink to “Roger Goodell is Mean and Stupid for Rightfully Protecting NFL Trademark”).

 

6. New York Guardians — All anybody is going to think when they watch the Guardians play is “WHERE’S STARLORD? DRAX WOULD’VE CAUGHT THAT BALL! (Insert six more Disney references)” LOL. What exactly is the team guarding? All that bad traffic in Manhattan that makes me late to work??? 

 

If you’re gonna name your team after a Disney film, there are better logos than the Lion King! We personally like THIS:

 

[Dancing-Baby-Groot.gif]

 

7. DC Defenders — BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OFFENSIVE PLAYERS? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE THEIR LINEBACKER PLAY QB TOO?????

 

The Defenders name and logo are lazy, if they wanted to be super unique, they would’ve have brought back the Washington Federals name and logos!

 

THE LOOOOOOOOOOL.

 

St. Louis Battlehawks — This is easily the worst and my favorite team name in the XFL. It sounds so extreme and dated, I expect it has an 80’s toy line cartoon show and toy line with it!

 

The name is also the name of the football team in the CLASSIC Key and Peele football sketch. TWO PUMPS (Embedded YouTube video that won’t work unless you view it on YouTube itself)

 

The logo is dumb and boring, it should be a giant falcon wearing armor and holding a sword!

 

[drawing-by-a-five-year-old.png]

9 minutes ago, Gary. said:

The Dragons look like a Create a Team on Madden 

Saying a logo looks like a Madden create-a-Team logo is as generic and creative as a Madden create-a-Team logo

2 hours ago, Lafarge said:

 

To be fair, we have no idea what this guy's taste in names is. You can find thousands of tweets talking about how great uniforms and logos supposedly suck. Same principle could apply here.

 

That being said, I'm perfectly willing to give a mea culpa to this guy when he's 100% correct

 

 

Nailed it the first time. That guy has no idea what he was talking about. No mea culpa for you, sir!

I’d love to run a scientific study on why this site gets astronomically dumber in the hours leading up to a logo/jersey unveil. 

44 minutes ago, buzzcut said:

Not if this tweet is indicative:

 

 

To be fair, we have no idea what this guy's taste in names is. You can find thousands of tweets talking about how great uniforms and logos supposedly suck. Same principle could apply here.

 

That being said, I'm perfectly willing to give a mea culpa to this guy when he's 100% correct

1 minute ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

If true, that's astronomically lucky.

 

Is it though? Gargoyles always seems to be one of the most popular recommended names for New York teams whenever there's a thread about nicknames that go well with cities.

 

2 hours ago, jaha32 said:

Is that old Clarkson logo another one of Phoenix Design Works that is being phased out? It has all the elements and style of their work from the early 2000’s, from the beveling to the go-to font.

 

I could’ve sworn it was, but it doesn’t appear on Phoenix’s website. I’d assume that it would have been removed after the redesign, but they still have a ton of schools on there who have gotten redesigns in the interim, so I’m guessing they didn’t design it.