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What a game. An ugly ass game… but what a game. 

Lucky ASU.  I wish Florida’s AD would resign. 

From what I could tell, he went the smash mouth football route when he should have just handled the defense and hired some air raid guy to continue running some semblance of Leach’s offense. 

1 hour ago, MJWalker45 said:

If there was any game Franklin needed to trust his players more, this and Ohio State this year were the games. Franklin is Jimbo Fisher (the Texas A&M version) without a national title. He'll get a "program defining" bowl win and only win the games they're supposed to win. 

The problem is Miami is better than their record, same for Clemson, but coaching has hurt them more than bad play this year.

I mean... not really.  Miami needed OT to beat Virginia.  Looked like hot garbage against NC State.  They're playing a true freshman QB that wasn't even highly regarded out of high school.  Clemson is maybe better than their record but it still took Clemson missing a chip shot FG and repeatedly punching themselves in the nuts for FSU to beat them.  I'd maybe buy that Clemson is more talented than their record, but not better.  Then there's the BC game, they were losing to Duke with a hobbled Riley Leonard until they took him out of the game on an illegal hit, struggling against Pitt. 

I don’t see how any of these talking heads can say Ohio State hasn’t passed the eye test and then praise Florida State.

1 hour ago, Cujo said:

 

He's a pro QB, should be more aware and throw a better pass then. Flag was warranted.

Feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse here to, for god knows what reason, defend overzealous officiating.  For one, it was clearly a miscommunication on an option route.  The WR was still in a full sprint when the throw was made.  Second, the penalty requires the QB to be throwing the ball away to avoid an imminent loss of yardage.  He was not.   Allen had already completed his throwing motion by the time any defender comes unblocked.

2 hours ago, tBBP said:

And speaking of upsets...Clemson just upset Notre Dame and somehow 2-6 Arkansas just took down Florida in the swamp!

Florida was only a 3pt favorite at home, so not much of an upset. Unfortunately an already young defense with no depth lost it’s best player after an injury last week and two other important DL were out. That said, Florida’s biggest problem is they may be the worst coached team in the country.  Napier outdoes himself every week.  This week it was the FG unit running onto the field to kick a game winner after converting a first down on what should have been a routine spike to stop the clock, getting bailed out by the refs not letting Arkansas sub, and taking a procedural penalty for an illegal substitution.  He's recruiting well and will get at least next year's brutal schedule, but he's a dead man walking, imo.

Also, completely unrelated to Florida since this program hasn't been relevant enough to begin with, I become more and more convinced this is rigged every week. It’s always the same teams benefiting from the trash officiating… the ones that stand to potentially lose their conference millions with a loss.

Yeah, tried watching the Nuggets game and it’s unwatchable.

1 hour ago, Dynasty said:

Is Utah's Cameron Rising out for the season or something? He still hasn't played since his injury last year.

They announced last week they were shutting him down for the season. Kind of wild that they thought he might play week one. 

Don’t know why anyone engages Unocal. I learned my lesson when he tried to argue that UConn basketball wasn’t actually good because they beat everybody so badly and would surely lose if the games were closer. 

Yeah, this has turned into a pretty big deal.  Hard to imagine the staff or school didn't know when this guy's buying prime seats for huge games on a pretty modest salary.  Somebody had to bankroll it.

Can't imagine Harbaugh is still at Michigan next year.

I didn’t think anything would come of this sign stealing scandal at first but now seeing this guy has bought tickets to 30 games including both sides of the field for OSU/PSU — and not at all discretely — Michigan/Harbaugh may actually be screwed.

Especially interesting is…

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An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.

Using electronic devices to steal signals seems like a much bigger offense than the advanced scouting by itself, which was kind of meh.

The game against Arkansas where Florida is wearing black uniforms just got a noon kickoff time. Brutal. 

I'm not sure there's any really great teams this year.  Last week it looked like the ACC may be good but not so much this week.  Top ten UNC losing to a terrible Virginia team on the CW seems appropriate.   Maybe my flair makes me biased but I don't buy FSU.  They didn't look good against Duke despite how hobbled Leonard was (and only took over once Leonard left the game after a kind of dirty play) and probably should've lost to a mid Clemson team.

Washington's losing to a bad ASU team.  The Penix heisman train has derailed.  UGA being down Bowers and they didn't look that good with him.  I'm not sure about Ohio State.  Michigan looks legit but who have they played?

Also, I wonder if Clemson's days of being an NC contender are through.  Dabo objects to the portal and NIL (fine with paying kids under the table, though) and they just seem so poorly coached these last two years.

edit: Pac 12 refs stepped in to keep Washington's playoff hopes alive.

I do wish the guy would just  off back to the NFL already.  I don't even have anything against Michigan... just tired of this guy.

On another note, JMU not being bowl eligible is bull.  That's a dumb rule.

Stanford, who lost to Sacramento State a few weeks back, just beat Colorado in 2OT in Boulder.

And in reference to the comment above... those top ten Stanford teams feel like a fever dream at this point.

Worst part is it’s not the first time Cristobal has done this.  Did roughly the same thing at Oregon in 2018 vs Stanford.

45 minutes ago, tBBP said:

Look, all I care about today is that Florida State won. It wasn't pretty, and it took going into OT, but still... they beat Clemson. I'll take it. 

I was willing to believe that DJU just wasn’t it and Clemson would regain their form with Klubnik but man, they’ve fallen off hard.  Really feels like a coaching problem there and that maybe Dabo just caught lightning in a bottle with two elite QBs.  He was definitely lucky Venables stuck around as long as he did.

There is still a lot of talent on that roster but some of decisions they made today were baffling.

Just now, oldschoolvikings said:

What did Holtz say?   For that matter, is Holtz still alive?  Shocking.  

Said some stuff about how Ryan Day's teams aren't "tough enough" to win big games.

I mentioned this earlier, but the NCAA changed the initial counter rules.  You used to only be able to bring in 25 players (with some exceptions), and this year there was no limit.  However, I think the rule was only for two years to account for the extra Covid eligibility year.  So it's not like Deion had some novel idea to completely overhaul the team, it just wasn't possible.

This guy gets way more credit than he deserves.

Oregon has zero respect for Colorado with that fake punt from inside their own 20. Hope the novelty wears off "coach prime" after this. It's going to happen next week, too. 

2 hours ago, TrueYankee26 said:

Out for Oregon and USC games.

That's a bummer because he's fun to watch but I'm sure his injury is going to be used to excuse a loss in a game where they're a three touchdown underdog.

In other news, Michigan State is going to fire Mel Tucker for cause.  Sexually harassing the sexual assault survivor you've invited to speak to your team is an all-time idiot move. 

22 hours ago, Germanshepherd said:

Seven wins at Colorado in year one would be an insane achievement. For most other coaches that’s a three year job at best. 

I mean... maybe.  It's also never been possible to do what he's done because this is the first year since the transfer eligibility rules changed that programs haven't been held to 25 initial counters per season.  So where Mike Norvell, for example, had to just deal with all of the deadweight Willie Taggart left him (and there was a lot of it) on Florida State's roster until it cycled out because he had to balance high school recruiting with incoming transfers, Deion didn't have those same limitations.  Now, granted, Deion's ability to get that many kids to transfer in is a credit to him.

"Do you believe now?"

Why the would a double OT win over a team that's won 14 games over the last five seasons and committed 181 yards worth of penalties convince me that Colorado is any good?

They're going to get wrecked by any team with a defensive line.

Great game, though.  Worth staying up!