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It does still bother me that people on a sports logos message board are defending the act of copyright infringement. Might as well go to a SAG forum and defense movie piracy, amirite?

That's not a very strong point. I visit this site because of my interest in sports logos and uniforms, not because of an interest in trying to root out copyright infringement. They are two totally separate issues. It's possible to enjoy sports logos and not care about copyright infringement, just like it's ok to enjoy movies via bootleg, or to enjoy beer despite the fact that it has caused deaths.

So you would be perfectly fine with some of your fellow board members having their designs ripped off, stolen or otherwise taken for monetary gain while they receive 0% of the profits, correct?

You could, in a way, trace is back the funds garnered through counterfeit merchandise to both terrorist and narcoterrorist groups. Most narcoterrorist organizations (which are usually just organized crime groups) get their finances through drugs, however they also collect a more "clean" revenue, usually through things like counterfeit goods. This money is used towards making more drugs. Either way, the money is funneled into these organizations. Let's not forget the September 2002 Hong Kong arrest of three people who attempted to exchange heroin for U.S. Stinger anti-aircraft missiles that they intended to re-sell to al Qaeda.

It does still bother me that people on a sports logos message board are defending the act of copyright infringement. Might as well go to a SAG forum and defense movie piracy, amirite?

Are these considered to be counterfeits? Since the NHL is not producing them at all they are not "Knockoffs" in the truest sense, but I am guessing that they do not have licensing rights to use the logos/name?

Yes, those are 100% counterfeit. You can usually look to see where it's coming from too. If it's from Asia, there's a good chance that it's not real.

I love how if you don't support the fakes, then you must be a blind MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL fanboy. I don't have any jerseys at all, you know why, beacause I CAN'T AFFORD THEM. Say what you want about them being over priced, but that doesn't make it right to go buy a fake.

You deserve a cookie for your stand against the people standing against the leagues overpriced jerseys.

So, what's stopping you from writing a calm, well-spoken letter to the manufacturers, teams and leagues, and nicely stating that their jersey prices are highly priced, rather than supporting organized crime by buying counterfeits? If you'd like to actually accomplish something, then doing that might be a little more proactive than preaching your side on a message board.

That is a great idea, I'll send one out tomorrow, and post any follow ups that I receive.

Just stay positive and polite. You'll be amazed what companies can do for you if you take a diplomatic approach.

I love how if you don't support the fakes, then you must be a blind MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL fanboy. I don't have any jerseys at all, you know why, beacause I CAN'T AFFORD THEM. Say what you want about them being over priced, but that doesn't make it right to go buy a fake.

You deserve a cookie for your stand against the people standing against the leagues overpriced jerseys.

So, what's stopping you from writing a calm, well-spoken letter to the manufacturers, teams and leagues, and nicely stating that their jersey prices are highly priced, rather than supporting organized crime by buying counterfeits? If you'd like to actually accomplish something, then doing that might be a little more proactive than preaching your side on a message board.

I get what people are saying with this, but it's no different than the OBAMANATION thread, really. It's two sides bickering and not convincing the other side of anything. If that's not shut down, then there's no reason for this one to be, either.

I thought we were done with this but you guys keep bringing it up, replicas are crap, and authentics are not worth $300.

Yes, they are. $300 is the market price for an authentic. If you can't afford it, then don't get a jersey. You're not entitled to one. Someday, you'll understand how the world really works.

I just found a picture of LoveTheFakes' jersey!

Totally legit! We were idiots to even question this obviously authentic jersey.

I am exchanging my money for a jersey, hence I am not stealing. Want to say the manufacturers or distributors are stealing, fine. Consumer is not stealing if they are paying for the jersey. It is not my job to police these companies.

But who cares! You're a fan of a team, which means you're entitled to a jersey, right?

If I am paying for the item, then yes.

Except that you AREN'T paying for it. You decided jerseys were too expensive, so you purchase poorly-reproduced knock-offs instead.

These so-called poorly produced knockoffs have lasted longer than the ones I purchased legitimately. They also look great, I would never wear one that looks like the crap posted here.

Post a picture of your jerseys then, if you're so confident, skipper.

I am exchanging my money for a jersey, hence I am not stealing. Want to say the manufacturers or distributors are stealing, fine. Consumer is not stealing if they are paying for the jersey. It is not my job to police these companies.

But who cares! You're a fan of a team, which means you're entitled to a jersey, right?

Well, all I know is that if any of you guys who think buying counterfeit jerseys are ok, I'm going to take any logos you've ever designed, put them on t-shirts and sell them for dirt cheap. Guess how much you guys are going to make, aka, the people who own the logo or have designed it? Zero dollars and zero cents.

I'm just curious why this guy hasn't been given the banhammer yet.

For having a different opinion that most of you?

Would you buy a fake Manitoba Moose jersey? Considering someone from these very boards created the logos?

It still baffles me that people on a sports logos message board, where we respect logos that are created and enjoy them, can still try their best to justify these actions of obvious copyright infringement....

I cannot solve the worlds problems but I can save a cool $250 on an almost identical authentic.

Except most counterfeits aren't even close to identical. Furthermore, you can't solve the world's problems by yourself, but you could stop contributing to human rights issues in third-world countries by not buying counterfeits.

You should write to the NFL and inform them that their ridiculous mark up is causing all these problems to these poor countries.

Congratulations! This post makes no sense!

I could care less about the negative implications of buying counterfeit jerseys and unlike Boston fans we stick by our teams no matter what. I wonder who you rooted for during the 90's considering Boston fans are by far the biggest bandwagon fans I have ever encountered. A typical Boston fan doesn't know about their teams histories. But hey you paid $300 for that jersey so you must be a real fan.

During the 90's, I cheered for the Hartford Whalers because they were the closest team. When they left, I became a Bruins fan and I know a lot about their team's history. Don't generalize, dick.

And I don't have a $300 jersey because I don't have a sense of entitlement to one just because I root for a specific team. I can't afford the marketprice. Plain and simple.

You brought up my allegiance to the Bills as some sort of negative, I pointed out the fact that a large part of Bostons fanbase are front running idiots. If you do not want to be called out then do not bring it up.

It was a joke, son.

I could care less about the negative implications of buying counterfeit jerseys and unlike Boston fans we stick by our teams no matter what. I wonder who you rooted for during the 90's considering Boston fans are by far the biggest bandwagon fans I have ever encountered. A typical Boston fan doesn't know about their teams histories. But hey you paid $300 for that jersey so you must be a real fan.

During the 90's, I cheered for the Hartford Whalers because they were the closest team. When they left, I became a Bruins fan and I know a lot about their team's history. Don't generalize, dick.

And I don't have a $300 jersey because I don't have a sense of entitlement to one just because I root for a specific team. I can't afford the marketprice. Plain and simple.

I don't know what's more embarrassing to say - admitting you enjoy buying counterfeit jerseys or admitting you're a Buffalo Bills fan.

Look at the proportions of this jersey... Very odd.

That's because it's a ladies jersey.

David Ortiz with the Mariners.

He was proboly David Arios or whatever back then too

Yeah, he proboly was.

General quote I've read here- "I saw all these fans wearing fakes/knock offs at the game and I was disgusted." = people who think like this need to get a life.

Yeah, who would think this kind of opinion would be prevalent on a sports logos and uniforms message board, amirite?

All these arguments are pointless. You are over thinking something so simple.

if an authentic jersey maker is so worried about sales going down you need to lower the price.

buying a knock off doesnt promote any drug trade and comparing a fake jersey to purchasing a car is

stupid and unrelated.

so what if its not a so called authentic as long as it looks very much like a team you like it serves the same purpose and doesnr cost an unrealistic amount of money.

again, unless you are young and immature its not really anything important to think or worry about.

I could care less what an authentic jersey freak thinks. And like i said, these are miles better

then those overpriced officially licenced replicas, made of material that doesnt last.

Why do they need to lower the price? Nobody is entitled to an authentic jersey of their favorite team.

Let's put it into perspective then. You're on this board because you have an interest in sports logos, right? So say I create a logo and copyright it. Then, somebody takes my design, puts it on a jersey, prints it up and starts to sell them. I get zero percent of the profits. How is that fair?

And yes, there actually IS a difference between an officially licensed authentic jersey and a fake. If you don't think there is then you obviously don't have an authentic jersey.

Jerseys arent worth $300 by any stretch. No one said anything about entitlement.

this isnt black market crap, this is right out in the open so theres no problem.

Knock offs dont make the official logo, they make it a little different. So the copyright really doesnt apply.

I dont really care, just threw that last one out there haha.

the makers of authentics arent losing money to the knock offs. People who want the so called real thing, get the real thing.

So what's the difference between the logo on this jersey and the logo on the logo on this jersey?

You, my boy, are an idiot.

Why are you guys arguing with this kid? You realize that not only can you not win, by even putting forth the effort, you're losing. When he grows up, he'll either be in jail for taking something that he feels he deserves to have because he wants it, or will have matured and understand why this is a crime and who it hurts, and why it isn't about anyone being an "authentic jersey freak".

I can't lie. The justification of committing crimes makes me giggle.

All these arguments are pointless. You are over thinking something so simple.

if an authentic jersey maker is so worried about sales going down you need to lower the price.

buying a knock off doesnt promote any drug trade and comparing a fake jersey to purchasing a car is

stupid and unrelated.

so what if its not a so called authentic as long as it looks very much like a team you like it serves the same purpose and doesnr cost an unrealistic amount of money.

again, unless you are young and immature its not really anything important to think or worry about.

I could care less what an authentic jersey freak thinks. And like i said, these are miles better

then those overpriced officially licenced replicas, made of material that doesnt last.

Why do they need to lower the price? Nobody is entitled to an authentic jersey of their favorite team.

Let's put it into perspective then. You're on this board because you have an interest in sports logos, right? So say I create a logo and copyright it. Then, somebody takes my design, puts it on a jersey, prints it up and starts to sell them. I get zero percent of the profits. How is that fair?

And yes, there actually IS a difference between an officially licensed authentic jersey and a fake. If you don't think there is then you obviously don't have an authentic jersey.

It seems to me the guy selling the jerseys in that email exchange made the more logical point -- the jerseys are coming from the same factories and using the same materials, the only difference is the extreme markup the league puts on the merchandise.

Dude, no. 1,000 times no. The materials are barely even close. And while the sweatshops that make real and fake jerseys are probably similar, you can be sure that no fake jerseys are made in the same exact places that produce jerseys for Majestic and Reebok. This is just as silly as the one guy who said "I think the factory just made too many so they sold a few on the side."

The jersey I purchased sure is made from the same materials and is of the same quality as the markups found on NFL.com. Have you ever compared a "fake" and an "authentic" up close and in person or are you just assuming they're different? Do you know where "fakes" are manufactured and where "authentics" are produced or are you just assuming they're different? If you answered "yes" to both those questions, then I applaud you, but that still doesn't explain why I was able to purchase a remarkably authentic counterfeit jersey.

I agree there are many laughable counterfeit jerseys out there, but there do exist quality jerseys that can be purchased for considerably less than their American-sold counterparts.

O RLY?

Looks like it was cut out and sewn by hand.

BTW, here's a damn good read about a fake jersey situation. The guy who's defending the fakes sounds exactly like the people on here defending them as well.