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Marlins93 last won the day on November 15 2018

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  1. I have to disagree with you on this. The bottom picture looks better.
  2. I agree completely. Hate this move. I suppose this means they are on the verge of getting rid of the pinstripes entirely.
  3. I've said this before and I know people here disagree with me, but I often wonder if people overestimate or overstate the importance of merchandise sales when teams make their branding decisions. The Phillies might have sold tons of Harper jerseys already but how many of those people actually drove to the official team store? If they're buying online, those revenues are split evenly among all MLB teams. Unless I'm misinformed, so please correct me if I'm wrong on how that works. Call David Samson a moron and windbag all you want, but in one of his more recent interviews with Le Batard, he basically said that merchandise sales really weren't important to them for the reasons I mentioned. Now there's also the fact that given the low attendance the Marlins have, they probably get less people shopping at the team store than Cubs fans would be at Wrigley, but in the era of online shopping I wonder how much of a difference that really makes. It would be interesting to see how much revenue each team actually gets from those sales. My point is that when a team rebrands, the main motivation should not be about selling gear due to the relatively limited returns. A branding should be seen more as one component of what MLB is actually selling--an entertainment experience. Branding is important because it helps give a team an identity and generates buzz. The real dollars they are after are gate attendance, corporate ticket packages/luxury boxes, and television viewership.
  4. If 1 and 2 don't happen within a few years, the rebrand will suffer the same negative connotation that the 2012-2018 orange Marlins did. I'd go as far to say that the last set already began to feel tainted after the 2012-2013 firesale. The last set had to go because it didn't look too great (although better than what we have now), Jeter wanted to mark his territory, and it had a negative stigma attached to it. Orange became an irredeemably toxic color, which is why they began to phase it out by last season already.
  5. I don't know if it's the color combinations, the swoosh, or both, but all of those Padres jersey concepts feel like they're from college ball rather than MLB.
  6. Sure, novelty counts too, but I think in the end the brand would benefit from not being tarnished by lousy product on the field.
  7. 2021 isn't really that arbitrary of a future date, though. I selected it in part because that's the first season of a new TV deal. They currently have one of the very worst in MLB and it expires after the 2020. We don't know what the new terms will be but it's certain to guarantee much more revenue than they are taking in now. 2021 is also the first season where the Marlins have zero money committed to free agents. Wei Yin Chen's awful contract comes off the books after the 2020 season. This means that come 2021, the Marlins should have tons of money to spend in free agency and contract extensions. So while that year might not offer something as tangible as a new stadium, I believe that a lot of Marlins fans have been keeping their eyes on 2021 for those reasons. Having a stadium filled with people wearing obsolete gear come 2021 is a total non-issue IMO, especially considering all of the older stuff looks much better than what they're wearing now anyway (). I could probably get my way after all, though, because 2021 seems to be a great time to have a soft rebranding. Fixing and touching up many of the ghastly errors they made in the original design. In the end the two things that are going to drive fans to drive merchandise are 1.) winning and 2.) marketable players. Casual fans are not going to replace their orange Stanton jerseys until you give them a reason to do so. Brinson and Mesa could maybe be those guys eventually but they aren't not there yet.
  8. I have no idea what the sales figures have been like, but I doubt there will be a mad rush to buy the new gear until the team is actually respectable on the field. I suspect that people went out and stocked up on new stuff in 2012 because there was a ton of buzz surrounding that team. Knowing the lack of enthusiasm that South Florida has for the Marlins, casual fans are going to be wearing "obsolete" attire into the team's next competitive window no matter what. There have been some studies that indicate that merchandise sales are roughly commensurate with team competitiveness. In other words, I highly doubt that you will see most people in Marlins Park wearing the black-on-black stuff until you give them a reason to buy it. The aesthetics might be enough for some, true, but it's been hard for me to gauge how well received the rebrand has been. Right now I would estimate the reaction has been "mixed" but that's not based on any data.
  9. Battery sales in Philadelphia will set records too if Harper underperforms.
  10. Maybe the silver lining there is that the Marlins will overhaul the whole set sooner. Jeter's motivation was obviously to do as much as possible to help fans forget about Loria, but I would have waited to rebrand until after the Nike contract started and closer to the team's window of competition--likely 2021.
  11. I'm really holding out hope that they find a way to fix them before opening day.
  12. We are in the era of blue for blue's sake and I don't like it one bit!
  13. I agree about the white. I was looking closely at the photo when I posted it and was thinking that the white accenting might not be necessary.
  14. I want to point out that I've always loved the 93-02 road jersey and feel like it's sorely underrated. Maybe they could go with more of an Art Deco font, but the block letters look great to me here. What's also interesting to me as that the letters that make up MIAMI are very "angular" (for lack of a better word, I mean lots of diagonals and straight lines) that lend themselves well to a blocky wordmark instead of cursive (although the cursive in the Heat vice jerseys looks great, despite being cliche). Priority #1 for the Marlins needs to be putting MARLINS back on the home whites. This is the most egregious blunder with the new set IMO after the black heaviness. So I'd like to see block letters on the road for sure, but can be convinced either way for the home.
  15. I would be enormously happy if they did something like that. They don't necessarily need to reuse the 93-02 wordmark, but something new and teal with black/silver accenting would be downright amazing. As much as I like the franchise's original look, most of the design elements, particularly the cap logo, need to be scrapped because of the switch from Florida to Miami. That shade of teal is just so vibrant, unique for MLB, and a perfect color to represent South Florida baseball. The Marlins have had a rocky history, but teal does not have a negative connotation attached to it among the fanbase. I would certainly say orange does now. I understand the critiques of that first wordmark, but from a aesthetic perspective they never bothered me. That's not just nostalgia speaking; somehow everything just works.