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Uhh, Columbus is in the Eastern TZ...?

Texas'll go independent once they realize nobody wants them and the Longhorn Network.

Nebraska is not the KC market. Kansas and Mizzou are. And Mizzou has a bigger piece of the St. Louis pie than Illinois. And besides, not everything comes down to what market they are. This isn't professional sports. Some of these schools are simply big money makers based on their own athletic teams. Kansas is one of the biggest basketball draws (as much as it pains me to say that), but football is not. They're not gonna go after them directly, but they'd be a decent "attachment school" if they went after Mizzou. Speaking of which, is becoming a steady football program that could become a Top 25 fixture. I still think, and would hope, that Mizzou winds up in the SEC if the Big XII does in fact dissolve. The whole reason that Nebraska was admitted to the Big Ten instead of the Tigers last year was that the Huskers convinced the Big Ten that they had enough alums in Kansas City to cover the town and to get BTN into those households. If that's what the Big Ten wanted, then they got what they wanted, their product on in more households. That's not what it was. Nebraska has alums all over the midwest, not just KC. They could've claimed any market over the other. It had nothing to do with simply the KC market as you seem to believe. Nebraska is a traditionally money making football college, plain and simple. Not because of a TV market 200 miles away in another state that's primarily a tv market for two other schools. You're actually making your case sound worse than. What you're telling me is that Mizzou would have put BTN on in households in Kansas City, while Nebraska can put them on across the Dakotas, in Omaha, and in Kansas City? All the Big Ten cares about right now is getting their product into as many homes as possible, and the combination of Nebraska and Illinois has put it on across Missouri, no? You can't tell me that they wouldn't rather add the Baltimore/Washington, New York, and Boston markets as opposed to "strengthening" viewership in St. Louis and Kansas City. There's a lot more money to be made and a lot more households to get into from the east coast schools than Missouri. Now, I could understand if Missouri was a top athletic school, but stop pretending like it's on the level of prestige of a Nebraska, Ohio State, or Penn State. The whole state doesn't behave like those states do when it comes to caring about the university. Mizzou going to the SEC is a move that makes the most sense for everybody involved. The SEC accesses the KC and St. Louis markets they weren't already accessing (but the Big Ten was), and they can spread their product as well. The money is the reason for all of these changes. Anyways, what good is it for A&M to fall back into a weak conference? They've got a chance to go to the elite conference in college football, why wouldn't you make the move? You'll add revenue, and believe it or not, kids will get more excited about playing SEC ball than playing a schedule consisting of Kansas, K-State, and Iowa State every year. With Texas seemingly on the verge of going independent here and the rest of the Big XII probably going to bolt west, who knows?

Nebraska is not the KC market. Kansas and Mizzou are. And Mizzou has a bigger piece of the St. Louis pie than Illinois. And besides, not everything comes down to what market they are. This isn't professional sports. Some of these schools are simply big money makers based on their own athletic teams. Kansas is one of the biggest basketball draws (as much as it pains me to say that), but football is not. They're not gonna go after them directly, but they'd be a decent "attachment school" if they went after Mizzou. Speaking of which, is becoming a steady football program that could become a Top 25 fixture. I still think, and would hope, that Mizzou winds up in the SEC if the Big XII does in fact dissolve. The whole reason that Nebraska was admitted to the Big Ten instead of the Tigers last year was that the Huskers convinced the Big Ten that they had enough alums in Kansas City to cover the town and to get BTN into those households. If that's what the Big Ten wanted, then they got what they wanted, their product on in more households.

What part of "the only thing that these conferences are interested in is money" don't you get? The only major media market Kansas has to offer is maybe Kansas City. Mizzou offers KC and StL. There's no point in adding either of those schools. Nebraska convinced the B1G they gave them the Kansas City market, and Illinois already gives them the St. Louis market. The Des Moines "market" is there with Iowa, and K-State has the same problems as Kansas. You don't grasp why they want to expand.

hahahahaha spleen thinking that the B1G would add Mizzou, K-State, Kansas, and Iowa State. Look, the only one of those four schools the B1G would go after would be Missouri. And I highly doubt they'd do that. They have the St. Louis market in Illinois and apparently the KC market in Nebraska. Schools the B1G would be interested in? Notre Dame and Texas (as was rumoured, I hope not though) would be at the top of their list. I don't think they'd get Texas, but in a super-conference world, they'd maybe be able to snatch up Notre Dame. Besides that? Rutgers, Maryland, Boston College, and Vanderbilt is who I'd go after if I was the B1G, in that order. Rutgers would give the Big Ten access to the NYC media market for BTN, and Maryland supplies both the Washington, DC and Baltimore markets. While BC might seem a bit out of the way, that gives Boston (and to a lesser extent, most of New England) to the B1G, and Vandy would give them Tennessee. Adding Notre Dame, Rutgers, Maryland, and Boston College would put the BTN in every state north of the Mason/Dixon line, plus Maryland and DC, as well as every state east of the Mississippi, plus Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, and Nebraska at least. That's what this is all about.

And outside of Maryland, which schools in those markets are "SEC-ready" in terms of talent and possibly finances? SMU? North Texas? Houston? (They are a commuter school) Navy? The same AD and President who moved BC to the ACC as still in their jobs. Maryland and/or Virginia tech would give them access to the Baltimore/Washington media market, and aTm would give them access to the Texan markets. That's what I mean. How does Va Tech, a school in western/central Virginia, give them the Baltimore/DC market? Presumably a lot of Va Tech grads/fans live in suburban DC on the Virginia side of the Potomac... (I read it in here from a VA member, so...)

And outside of Maryland, which schools in those markets are "SEC-ready" in terms of talent and possibly finances? SMU? North Texas? Houston? (They are a commuter school) Navy? The same AD and President who moved BC to the ACC as still in their jobs. Maryland and/or Virginia tech would give them access to the Baltimore/Washington media market, and aTm would give them access to the Texan markets. That's what I mean.

Couldn't they get more out of the deal by reaching the Baltimore-Washington, Houston, and Dallas markets?

Yeah, but they have the television footprint in cities like Jackson, Charleston, Birmingham, Louisville, and Little Rock through those four teams. And you're fooling yourself if you don't think that this is all about bringing in more revenue, presumably from television. Putting teams in Blacksburg, College Station, and Columbia (the other one) would do just what the teams that are currently in the conference do. I don't see your point...

Honestly, I'm happier with that than moving to the East for the CBJ. You'd get to play in a very weak division overall IMO.

Anyways, here's my realignment idea, based on the NHL's idea of 4 divisions. The typical PA teams and south gives you Pittsburgh, Philly, Tampa Bay, and Washington all in the same division. I'm not so sure the NHL would really want 4 of its top 9 teams in a division, especially when you're looking at having a couple struggling markets in that division. So, what I've done, is pieced together a realignment that splits up the elite 8 teams in the league (taking Tampa out as #9) but still keeps strong geographic ties. EASTERN CONFERENCE Boston Bruins Buffalo Sabres Columbus Blue Jackets Montreal Canadiens Ottawa Senators Pittsburgh Penguins Toronto Maple Leafs -------------------- Carolina Hurricanes Florida Panthers New Jersey Devils New York Islanders New York Rangers Philadelphia Flyers Tampa Bay Lightning Washington Capitals WESTERN CONFERENCE Chicago Blackhawks Dallas Stars Detroit Red Wings Minnesota Wild Nashville Predators St. Louis Blues Winnipeg Jets -------------------- Anaheim Ducks Calgary Flames Colorado Avalanche Edmonton Oilers Los Angeles Kings Phoenix Coyotes San Jose Sharks Vancouver Canucks Obviously, this separates the top teams into pairs (BOS-PIT, PHI-WAS, CHI-DET, VAN-SJ) and also separates the league's stars (Crosby/Malkin, Ovechkin, Kane/Toews/Daytsuk/etc, Sedin/Sedin) into separate divisions to keep the same number of stars coming to each city each year around the same. Thoughts?

Same reason this wouldn't work in baseball; who's gonna want to go watch a 15th place team? A number of teams would be out of contention a lot earlier in the season. Divisions allow teams to be competitive, or at least feel like they have a shot, deeper into the season. 7 or 8 team divisions are still kind if high numbered, especially for a 30 team league, but they're still much better than a single 15 team conference/division. I wasn't any more excited about the Blue Jackets' season this past year because they finished 4th in the division. Divisions are dumb. Well, we kinda like to think so.

Personally, I hope they put CLB in the East, for logic's sake. Having PIT and WSH in the same division is a pretty good idea from a rivalry standpoint, but I don't think it makes sense geographically. Personally (tweaking your suggestion) I would move DET to the Midwest, CLB to the South, and PIT to the East. But I favor geography over other criteria, so that might be why we would set things up differently. Overall though, I'm more in favor of the current 5-team division system. First of all, if hurts less when your team finishes last in a 5-team division. Second of all, I feel that with smaller divisions, the inter-division rivalries become more "personal." As far as "geography" goes, why would you separate the Jackets and Pittsburgh? Just put 'em both in the South and you've still got 7 and 8 in the east.

Shows how much you know. The St Pete Times Forum was opened in 1996, and is going through new renovations now. The Honda Center was opened in 1990. Also, the Lightnings' new ownership improved the Lightning 12th seed to the Eastern Conference Finals in one season. I think he was talking about when the franchises were handed out in 1993, Tampa Bay had no arena and a much weaker ownership group at the time, not today in 2011.

Using a flat 3% inflation figure, I got $251 from 1990 through 2011, not $222...

While the jersey may only cost $8 to make, how much does say a Dicks or Sports Authority pay to buy them from RBK? How much does it cost to ship the jersey to the retail location? What percentage of the jersey sale go to the paycheck of the check out person etc... Just because they cost $8 to make there are a lot of hidden costs once it finally gets to the consumer. Right, which is why I threw in the point that I know about the NFL replicas, that retailers buy them for around $35. I'm not sure if this statistic is something that I heard or something I'm making up, so take it for what you will, but I think it costs retailers around $50 to buy NHL replicas from Rbk.

FWIW, I've posted this before, but in order to make the replicas in the NHL for which Rbk charges around $115, it costs them just a little over $8 to produce the jerseys. Also, as far as NFL replicas go, the cost is about the same, but IIRC, retailers purchase the jerseys for around $35 from Rbk.

As part of the sanctions on the football team they have to drop the "Thee" from their name. I'm in favor of this.

I love how you blindly support the crap that is provided by the leagues. Let me know your schedule of towns in which you visit so I know what DVDs and fragrances which you have to sell from strip mall to strip mall. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean Nobody ever knows what dfwabel posts are supposed to mean. Just ignore them and move on.

4 divisions of 7 or 8 teams, top 4 from each division make the playoffs, play down to 1 team from each division, then two "east" divisions and two "west" divisions play, and then the Cup Finals. Just how it used to be. Here's how I'd do it though... NORTHEAST Boston Buffalo Montreal New Jersey New York New York Ottawa Toronto ATLANTIC Carolina Columbus Florida Philadelphia Pittsburgh Tampa Bay Washington CENTRAL Chicago Dallas Detroit Minnesota Nashville St. Louis Winnipeg PACIFIC Anaheim Calgary Colorado Edmonton Los Angeles Phoenix San Jose Vancouver

Marquette plays all their home games at the Bradley Center now, I'm pretty sure. However, on the Nationwide/Value City thing, it's really the two arena's that's done them in. Nationwide funded the place, built it, and they currently own it, so no real public money has been spent on it. However, I'm pretty sure there's been some measures for the city to buy the arena from Nationwide, but none of them have succeeded. Oh, and Ohio State now manages the day-to-day operation of Nationwide Arena. LOL WUT.

Great idea Which is exactly what this thread was before you got here. I've had around 4 fakes given to me as gifts, and some are worse than others. The only one i wear is an Ovechkin one, which is pretty good. On the contrary, I have a few that aren't very good at all. There is also no law that I can find against knowingly possessing counterfeit goods, however if you knowingly possess them for sale, it's illegal in California.

These clowns are never going to understand a proportionality argument. If you've ever done something that is not legal- no matter the severity- it is EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE WORST CRIME POSSIBLE!!!! It's true. Way back in my first year of law school, I had a crim law exam and the question was something about what to crimes to charge an individual who had spray painted a neighbor's boat. I ignored the given statute and just wrote how I was seeking the death penalty for premeditated murder. And, because ALL ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IS THE SAME, I booked the out of that class. Thinkin' outside the freakin' box. That's hilarious, dude. Well done.

Ohio State. That is all.