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1 hour ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

I think KC should do the gentlemanly thing and lose this weekend.

Here's hoping that Jarett Stidham has another Ken Stabler-esque performance in him.

1 hour ago, Cujo said:

Also seeing fans clamor for an 8th playoff team in the AFC because the BUF-CIN game was scratched.

Huh?

Why?

What does that solve?

Of all the bad ideas we've seen so far, that one is in the running for the worst. It punishes the two teams that were supposed to get a bye and it rewards two teams that have no business being in the playoffs in the first place.

2 hours ago, Sport said:

Hamlin may have suffered from acute respiratory distress syndrome which can happen after cardiac arrest/CPR and that's why they were having difficulty getting him off the ventilator. Because of ARDS they had to flip him on his stomach to help his lungs heal, which means they had to sedate him further, which is why it took 40 something hours to wake him up. She also said that she heard the CT scans of his brain looked really good. 

That lines up almost exactly with what my GF said when I asked her why his lungs were an issue. It's also when I learned that real life CPR is nothing like TV CPR and that a defibrillator does not start your heart when it's not beating. Shows like ER and Grey's Anatomy have been lying to us all these years.  But it's worth noting yet again that we're working off speculation that's based on past experience and that it may or may not apply to Damar Hamlin's situation.

54 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

Assuming Buffalo beats NE this weekend and KC beats LV, then I think KC getting the 1 and the bye but Buffalo getting the 2 and home field is actually a decent compromise.

 

Each team is benefitting without a major schedule disruption.

 

If Buffalo loses and Cincinnati wins, though, then you're in a rough situation again with less time to figure something out.

It's probably too much to ask that this whole thing resolves itself on the field this weekend, but it sure would be nice.

26 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

When he makes it all the way through (and it looks like that will happen) his playing career is likely over

Maybe, maybe not. It probably depends on what caused the cardiac arrest. If he had an underlying heart issue, then yeah, his career is most likely over. If it was the result of a fluke hit, he could come back. (See Chris Pronger) The lung issues he's having may have been a result of CPR. What we see on TV and in movies is not a realistic depiction of CPR. From what I understand, CPR is actually pretty rough. Having your ribs broken while receiving it is fairly common. Point being, it's only been three days and we don't know anything yet.

NFL offices right about now.

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

I even read that one possibility was that they could use a randomizer to determine seeding!  (I forget where I read that but I think it was from a reliable source, though who knows what's "reliable" anymore?)

I saw that too and I came up with this idea. If week 18 doesn't solve the issues (hopefully it will), the NFL uses the randomizer to remove one game from the schedules of KC and Baltimore so that all the teams involved have played the same number of games. Then we go to playoff tiebreakers - head to head, common opponents, etc., and settle it that way. It's yet another bad idea in a sea of bad ideas, but it may be the one with the least bull-. 

Kansas City vs. Las Vegas

Tennessee vs. Jacksonville

Cleveland vs. Pittsburgh

Minnesota vs. Chicago

NY Jets vs. Miami

Tampa Bay vs. Atlanta

Carolina vs. New Orleans

Houston vs. Indianapolis

Arizona vs. San Francisco

Dallas vs. Washington

LA Rams vs. Seattle

NY Giants vs. Philadelphia

LA Chargers vs. Denver

Detroit vs. Green Bay

Baltimore vs. Cincinnati

New England vs. Buffalo

3 hours ago, GDAWG said:

Mike Glennon (and his neck) are back in the NFL:

Guys, when I had my mild heart attack back in 2017, I was in critical condition until I had the heart cath done. While it was happening, I was in moderate pain (honestly, it was more like just being really uncomfortable), but I was also wide awake and fully aware of what was going on. I was talking and joking with the cardiologist (when I wasn't bitching about being taken off morphine) while we waited for the cath team to show up at Cleveland Clinic.  All of that took place while I was in critical condition. Until the cath was successful, it was my status.

The point I'm trying to make is don't get hung up on Damar Hamlin still being in critical condition. As I said earlier, it's likely that the very soonest his condition will be upgraded is tomorrow, but I wouldn't count on it. Cardiac events, even mild ones, are serious and you don't recover from one overnight. Especially one like he had. Be patient. He's in good hands.

25 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

There have been calls for Week 18 to be pushed back as well as the postseason, eliminating the bye week between the Conference Championship Games and the Super Bowl.  Right now the plan is play Week 18 as planned, but the Bills and Bengals might not be mentally ready to play until they know the status of Hamlin.  

They should know his status well before Sunday. My guess is the Bills and Bengals won't be fully ready to play for quite a while.

2 hours ago, DoctorWhom said:

So has there been any update on Hamlin yet or is he still critical? 

Let me preface this by saying that the following is based on my GF's experience with cardiac events as an RN. She's basing her opinion on that alone. She does not know the particulars of Damar Hamiln's case. This is what she had to say when I asked her about it earlier today.

They'll probably keep him sedated and in the induced coma for 24 hours. He'll more than likely be listed as critical for however long he's on the vent and in an induced coma. Possibly for a while longer after that. Critical condition doesn't necessarily mean he's on death's doorstep. She says the next move will likely be to  start weaning him off the drugs to see how he reacts to the ventilator. They'll want to see if he starts "bucking the vent" which means breathing "over the ventilator settings." They'll also look to see if he shows any outward physical reaction (trying to remove it, spit it out, etc.) to being on the ventilator. This can be used to assess any possible brain damage. That step in the process usually takes place during the day so it will most likely start tomorrow morning. The reason for that is the hospital is more fully staffed during the day than at night. Based on that, there probably won't be any new information until tomorrow.

Again, all of that is based on her cumulative experience with cardiac events and she's talking in broad generalities. Every case is different. She wants me to make it clear that she is not diagnosing anything or stating any information as fact. (If there's a lawyer in the house, I could a better worded disclaimer.)

Just now, Dilbert said:

At this point play out week 18, then if necessary move everything up a week to replay the game for "week 19" and eliminate the bye before the Super Bowl.

That seems like the easiest solution.

NFL gonna NFL.

27 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

Assuming Buffalo and KC win next week, either a tie or a no contest would provide KC the #1 seed, as KC would have a slightly higher win percentage (82% to 81.25%).

 

A tie or no contest would also give Cincinnati the division title, as even with a win next week, Baltimore wouldn't be able to catch Cincinnati on win percentage (68.75% to 64.7%).

 

So depends on your definition of "easiest." For schedule purposes? Yes, absolutely. But to allow home field advantages and playoff seeding to be determined competitively? No, there's no easy answer there.

 

 

Short of moving everything back a week, I don't see a way out of this for the NFL. Anything else is the "this is the best bad idea we have" scene from Argo.

10 minutes ago, McCall said:

If used in college, would remove the problem of students bringing down the goalposts after an upset.

They'd figure out a way to tear down the sensor field.

Saw variations of this a lot on Twitter last night. Figured I'd share it here. It's not a bad idea.

2 minutes ago, Rockstar Matt said:

Bills just announced that Hamlin suffered a cardiac arrest, had his heartbeat restored on the field and now he’s currently sedated but I’m critical condition. 

We should take a minute to appreciate the stellar work the EMTs did tonight. They saved his life. Believe it or not, here in Ohio they don't get paid all that much to do the job they do. When I say not that much, I mean you could probably make more money working at Walmart. When my GF was an EMT back in the early 2000's, she was making about 7 bucks an hour.  The money is why she left being an EMT to get her RN degree. It's absurd that these folks make as little money as they do.

36 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

 

Yeah… About that. Very weird that you bring that up. 
 

That happened just down the road from me, and his situation looked pretty dire, as he nearly lost his leg under a snowcat and lost a TON of blood. 
 

I know this because he was in the same ICU ward at the same time as my mom (I had a VERY bad holiday, but that’s a story for another time). 

So sorry to hear that. I hope everything is going to be OK.

15 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

18 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

There are all kinds of theories I've read on reddit, including the theory he took a blunt hit to his heart and it stopped it.

 

That's what my GF said might have caused it. According to her, it's a million to one shot, but it can happen.

This is exactly what my GF was trying to explain to me. All I got was "it takes perfect timing and it's rare." The rest was a lot of me trying to look like I understood. Not saying this is what happened, just pointing out that she said it was a possibility.

Just now, BBTV said:

I am the board’s CTE expert.   But your point applies to everyone else. 

This appears to be heart related, but rest assured, we'll call you in right away if there are any CTE related developments.

2 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

There are all kinds of theories I've read on reddit, including the theory he took a blunt hit to his heart and it stopped it.

That's what my GF said might have caused it. According to her, it's a million to one shot, but it can happen.

Just now, habsfan1 said:

 

A bunch of reporters said they were told he's on life support like this one that was posted on the last page.

 

 

 

This one is directly from the NFL. They say he's in critical condition.

 

Critical condition does not necessarily mean "on death's door step." For example,Jeremy Renner is in the hospital in Nevada and he's in critical but stable condition. We'd all do well to stop speculating. Far as I know, none of us are medical professionals.  We should wait for reliable information to come out.

19 minutes ago, Ridleylash said:

At least one good thing is coming out of this horrible event;