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If they are busted multiple times for speeding... yes. But back on topic: Do you really not understand the difference between right and wrong do you know what theft is? I know you like to brag that you are a college grad. But do your school a favor and don't say the name of the school you went to out loud, it may hurt enrollment.

The normal consumer doesn't know it's a law. Or more accurately is unaware of the illicit sellers. Obvious counterfeits are obvious, sure, but some clever knock-offs aren't obvious. It's easy to assume that you're getting a good deal or "cutting out the middle-man". Isn't "cutting out the middle man to get a good deal" a cute way of saying you are buying stolen property?

You didn't learn anything about the law in college? As a Mechanical Engineering major, not really. You didn't learn about right and wrong at any point in your life?

You didn't learn anything about the law in college?

So, if a person can't afford it they should break the law? -Dan

Not being allowed to bring something in has always been a fear, as I show up to most games via public transportation. Like if I am coming from work with an umbrella or something... Anyway, this may be feasible but I think the teams would have to promote the heck out of it so as to not catch people by surprise. They may even have to have a "coat check" system where the fans can get it on the way out, as opposed to confiscating. The bottom line is that people feel they are paying a lot to go to the game and that they paid their hard-earned money for the jersey, which they did not even realize was "fake". I wonder whether one of the reasons they don't try this is that it's hard to not find enough "enforcers" that can actually tell the difference. Another problem the "enforcers" may have is the person that ruins a perfectly legit item with a sloppy customization...they may bust someone with a licensed product. I certainly agree with you here. At the very least, get out via web posters in the pro-shop, etc. that points out 1) the differences and 2) the theft aspect, if only to get a few people to understand. I assume (but I suppose I may be wrong) that most of the people I see wearing the fakes don't really understand that they are fake/illegally-produced either because they don't understand "officially licensed", don't realize just how "off" it looks, or accept that replicas are not going to have perfect detail (which is the case often...e.g., when MLB used to have nice looking replica jerseys with one-color block #s and names for all teams). That's a naive point of view. Most just don't care when it saves them $100-200 over an authentic. I also think the NFL at least (and its member teams) are unlikely to mount such a campaign because someone in the media would surely tear down the price of a jersey to show the profit margin. The inevitable backlash against the ridiculously high prices they charge for authentics when the NFL is raking in billions would not be good PR for the league or the teams. Can you imagine some reporter walking into a place that's probably right down the block from where the fakes are made and talking about how the people making your authentic Tom Brady jersey are making $1.50 a day, if they make their quota? That may be an exaggeration, but who knows? They're already flailing around about how to get more people to the stadium on game day and seem unable to grasp that charging $100+ for nosebleed tickets and $30-50 for parking isn't the way to start. The last thing they need or want is bad press on merchandise pricing. Are people who buy fakes depriving the league of revenue if, had they not bought a fake, they woudn't have bought a jersey at all? If so, how? Opportunity cost. The money spent on a fake could have gone to a shirt etc... at NFL.com or at the stadium.

Absolutely, these are ignorent people with no knowledge of jerseys, sports logos, or anything else to do with them. Im sure most people on these boards pity these people. They will never know the joy of purchasing an authentic jersey, knowing its the real thing and being able to know why. It's hard for me to not make a joke about misspelling "ignorant." You walked right into that one. But I won't say anything else about that. I disagree with you guys, I consider myself to be very knowledgeable about sports logos, but that wouldn't necessarily stop me from buying a fake. I mean it's not like I actually play for the team. As long as the fake doesn't have blatant errors, I would have no problem buying and wearing it. I think I would get more "joy" out of buying a fake and being able to buy something else with the money I saved, than supposed joy gotten from buying an authentic. And I guess that's what makes people different. We are all very impressed with your ability to catch grammatical errors. Your opinions and knowledge of Jerseys... not so much. Ignorance is claiming that these counterfeit jerseys do not have blatant errors in a 12 page thread dedicated to pointing them out. If you had bothered to read the thread I am sure you would have seen things like the Flames jersey having the logo backwards, the Team USA World Juniors jersey having a Team Canada tag and every other Counterfeit rag sporting oversized, wrinkled crests that look nothing like the real thing. What takes the cake however is that you have the audacity to brag the money you saved by purchasing these rags on a message board populated by the designers who are getting ripped off by people like you. That is Ignorance. Yeah, but some people speed on the free way so it evens out.

Absolutely, these are ignorent people with no knowledge of jerseys, sports logos, or anything else to do with them. Im sure most people on these boards pity these people. They will never know the joy of purchasing an authentic jersey, knowing its the real thing and being able to know why. It's hard for me to not make a joke about misspelling "ignorant." You walked right into that one. But I won't say anything else about that. I disagree with you guys, I consider myself to be very knowledgeable about sports logos, but that wouldn't necessarily stop me from buying a fake. I mean it's not like I actually play for the team. As long as the fake doesn't have blatant errors, I would have no problem buying and wearing it. I think I would get more "joy" out of buying a fake and being able to buy something else with the money I saved, than supposed joy gotten from buying an authentic. And I guess that's what makes people different. Blatant error = Illegal item w/stolen artwork? "Joy" = Using the saving from the purchase of illegal items? I meant a blatantly noticeable error. Like a wrong letter, or wrong font, or something like that. Not the fact that it's illegal in and of itself. And I didn't want to steer the discussion back to this, but here we go: Do you ever exceed the speed limit while driving? Then I guess you drive illegally. #1 Speeding is a victimless crime, intellectual property theft is not. Speeding is a civil infraction where as theft is a crime. #2 Since I drive a company car I do not speed out of fear/concern of tickets or trouble at work. Speeding is not a victimless crime. It is one of the leading causes of automobile accidents. I say this as a former NHTSA Engineer (and someone with more than half a brain). I'm not saying that intellectual property theft is not a crime (I have also worked as a Patent Examiner at the USPTO), but to say that speeding is less serious of a crime than IP theft is completely asinine. Let me clear it up for you (and yes I know your a college grad) but... Driving 75 in a 70 is a victimless civil infraction. A car accident is not a crime either. Driving 75 in a 70, then hitting somebody due to wrecklessness or driver neglect is something different. However, this thread is about counterfitting. It may not be the worst crime in the world, but it is one none the less.

Absolutely, these are ignorent people with no knowledge of jerseys, sports logos, or anything else to do with them. Im sure most people on these boards pity these people. They will never know the joy of purchasing an authentic jersey, knowing its the real thing and being able to know why. It's hard for me to not make a joke about misspelling "ignorant." You walked right into that one. But I won't say anything else about that. I disagree with you guys, I consider myself to be very knowledgeable about sports logos, but that wouldn't necessarily stop me from buying a fake. I mean it's not like I actually play for the team. As long as the fake doesn't have blatant errors, I would have no problem buying and wearing it. I think I would get more "joy" out of buying a fake and being able to buy something else with the money I saved, than supposed joy gotten from buying an authentic. And I guess that's what makes people different. Blatant error = Illegal item w/stolen artwork? "Joy" = Using the saving from the purchase of illegal items? I meant a blatantly noticeable error. Like a wrong letter, or wrong font, or something like that. Not the fact that it's illegal in and of itself. And I didn't want to steer the discussion back to this, but here we go: Do you ever exceed the speed limit while driving? Then I guess you drive illegally. #1 Speeding is a victimless crime, intellectual property theft is not. Speeding is a civil infraction where as theft is a crime. #2 Since I drive a company car I do not speed out of fear/concern of tickets or trouble at work.

Absolutely, these are ignorent people with no knowledge of jerseys, sports logos, or anything else to do with them. Im sure most people on these boards pity these people. They will never know the joy of purchasing an authentic jersey, knowing its the real thing and being able to know why. It's hard for me to not make a joke about misspelling "ignorant." You walked right into that one. But I won't say anything else about that. I disagree with you guys, I consider myself to be very knowledgeable about sports logos, but that wouldn't necessarily stop me from buying a fake. I mean it's not like I actually play for the team. As long as the fake doesn't have blatant errors, I would have no problem buying and wearing it. I think I would get more "joy" out of buying a fake and being able to buy something else with the money I saved, than supposed joy gotten from buying an authentic. And I guess that's what makes people different. Blatant error = Illegal item w/stolen artwork? "Joy" = Using the saving from the purchase of illegal items?

Actually, I remember in my sophmore year in college (1999-2000) a guy in the cafeteria had a dark blue and copper Gretzky oilers jersey. This was in the pre-ccslc & pre-counterfit days. Nobody at my table could understand my rage at that jersey. I then proceded to wear my correct Gretzky jersey to the cafeteria for a week straight to prove my point. The sad thing was, that kid probably paid a lot of money for his jersey and it was a top rate sewing job, just the wrong jersey.

Legend in the wrong hair?

Good point. Buy a better ccm/koho jersey on ebay and you don't give counterfeiters your money and rbk may notice as well.

The "A" and 11s are off too.

i just had to take this opportunity to brag here's me wearing brett hull's 1999 stanley cup ring. and here are some pics of me and brett together, as proof watching the game. me posing like a nerdy nerdy excited fan. last season me and some friends won tickets to watch mike modano's final game with the dallas stars in a luxury box with brett hull. he wore the ring, i commented on it, and he insisted i try it on. absolutely blew my mind. When I was 18 my dad and I bumped into Mike Keenan at the Hockey Hall of Fame. He was the same way with his 1994 Rangers ring. He was much nicer than expected.

I went to a Jackets/Hawks game in Columbus last spring with the gf. By the 2nd period she was picking out the Chicago fakes! -Dan

This should solve some of the debate regarding counterfit jerseys and the American Revolution:

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No taxation without representation and the quest for liberty does not equate to I want a cheaper jersey.

Yeah the Pats is the biggest fake of them all. Someone mentioned about the tail on the Twins script, but the shirt looks folded over on that part, so might wanna re-examine that. Huh.. well shows you what I know. The Twins one is fake. And, apparently the Patriots one is too, but I was never sure; the fact that it had actual patches that were sewn on and not a graphic that was actually "embroidered" onto the jersey made me optimistic (see what happens when you go shopping at yard sales). The Indians is authentic. Thanks for playing... It was the faded and bubbled up 12 that gave it away on the Brady jersey.

Is the Brady the fake?

Odd thing for a member of the CCSLC to say.

Could always use a thread ripper and remove the lettering/numbering.

One of my favorite China fakes:

Those are the fan/fashion jerseys that always sell at Super Bowl time.