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Big East basketball schools b!tching about adding Tulane not realizing that they were the deadweight on the Conference RPI. Priceless, Don't cry for them. And yeah, the destruction of the Conference does kind of drift back to the basketball school's efforts to underplay football when that was the money cart. It's their own fault the football schools that were good at basketball got pissed and left.

You know, how were most of the schools being, as you put it, 'dead weight on the Conference RPI'? The only one that hasn't been able to stand on it's own two feet recently has been DePaul.

If anything, those seven schools finally grew a collective pair and want to get out of town.

Seton Hall has been to the NCAA tournament 3 times since 1999, none since 2006

Providence has been dancing twice in that span, last in 2004

St. John's has been 3 times-their 2011 invite was their first since 2002

DePaul has 2 trips; none since joining in 2005,

Villanova had a good run in the mid-2000s but is cratering fast.

I stand by what I said. You want basketball deadweight? Look no further than the Big East's basketball-only contingent. And yeah, the Conference was run with the basketball schools getting a disproportionate (compared to what they brought to the table) share of the TV money and for the longest time refused any expansion of football despite the football schools desperation to get an 8 game Conference slate. That their cushy little haven burned down around them is their own fault.

Big East basketball schools b!tching about adding Tulane not realizing that they were the deadweight on the Conference RPI. Priceless, Don't cry for them. And yeah, the destruction of the Conference does kind of drift back to the basketball school's efforts to underplay football when that was the money cart. It's their own fault the football schools that were good at basketball got pissed and left.

With the talk of Big East basketball schools jumping ship, I was thinking about how smart it would have been for the ACC to grab Georgetown after Maryland left. Yes, G'town doesn't play FBS football but it secures the DC market again and adds to the overall brand of the ACC. Games against Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame would be great television.

If the ACC wanted to go to an 18 team league, they could add Villanova and St. John's. That would give the ACC a basketball monopoly of the East Coast and they could play their conference tournament at MSG.

Adding basketball schools when you are a football league is insanely stupid.

Meanwhile in Charlottesville...

Accreditor fires shot across Virginia's bow.

Hypothetical question here: What if this year's Army-Navy game would have had an impact on the final BCS standings to determine who's going to BCS bowls? Do they postpone the BCS selection or simply ignore Army-Navy in the standings?

Army-Navy is ignored.

So theoretically, and highly unlikely, Army and Navy could be undefeated and 1-2 in the BCS standings and would play for the national title no matter what happened in the Army-Navy game...

Pretty much.

Hypothetical question here: What if this year's Army-Navy game would have had an impact on the final BCS standings to determine who's going to BCS bowls? Do they postpone the BCS selection or simply ignore Army-Navy in the standings?

Army-Navy is ignored.

What about this? It hasn't been talked about because it's not exactly likely, but:

Notre Dame to the SEC?

There is no way, no how Notre Dame joins the SEC. If they favored the Big East and the ACC over the B16 TEN, do you honestly think they would consider the SEC? Seems like suicide, especially after the Tide roll all over them (and I'm rooting for ND).

Anyway, when it comes to the B16 TEN, has is pretty much been stated or determined that the they are strictly expandind down the east coast? I am assuming that Virginia is a lock at this point, as is Virginia Tech to the SEC. But is it a foregone conclusion that #16 is either Georgia Tech or North Carolina? I feel like Kansas would make more sense, not in terms of households = dollars, but its contiguious, its a member of the AAU, the basketball following speaks for itself, and it has 50,000+ football stadium.

There is no flippin' point to adding Virginia if it's not a bridge to another East Coast school, and Kansas is not coming because basketball is irrelevant and the football team is derelict and hired the wrong fat man.

I don't believe for a second UNC and Duke would be a package deal if the chips are down. Duke-UNC can always be a non-conference game in the sports that it is a relevant rivalry for (i.e. not football) and Duke is a private school and therefore the North Carolina state legislature is not obligated to look out for it.

Still can't believe Duke would join the SEC. They might as well drop football if that were to happen, and I don't think the SEC wants a non-football member.

The Big10 is not done. I think the SEC shares this vision.

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I love the little snipet from Mizzou at the end. I thought the B16 TEN really dropped the ball when they didn't invite Missouri. I think Mizzou would have added to the football and basketball competitiveness, but they have a historic rivalry with Nebraska, especially for a conference who prides itself on history and tradition.

Nebraska does not consider Missouri a rival.

Where are the other Great West Conference members going?

Summit League, Southland; the Great West was basically a holding area for a few otherwise homeless Division I programs that had recently jumped up (or in the case of Chicago State, fled/ragequit the Summit League because it was too hard.) Chicago State really probably shouldn't have a Division I athletic program. Either way, don't cry for it.

Also is the Sun Belt going to replace fau FIU and Middle Tennessee ? If so who do they get? More dominios dominoes to fall even at the lower ends....

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No, he was right. Conference USA also grabbed Florida Atlantic last week.

I suppose what I can say is that it'd be interesting to see some carryover into the Texas League or why Texas is such a bare-spot for Triple-A.

I imagine it has a lot to do with two MLB teams and four double-A teams. So it's still got 7 of the top 90 baseball clubs in Canada and the US.

Soon to be 8 with the Tucson Padres moving to El Paso.

I really want FSU to stay so that the Big XII will collapse and enjoy the Louisville-FSU match-ups in the future. The "Dude" is just a WVU fan who is butt-hurt about Louisville's admittance to the ACC and how the ACC used academics to deny WVU from entering the conference. He's using rumors to get revenge on the ACC who didn't allow WVU and their "hillbillies" (How my fellow Cardinal fans call WVU fans) from entering the ACC. FSU is just better off staying in the ACC rather than risking their program's future in the Big XII.

Louisville fans call West Virginia fans hillbillies.

L. O. L.

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More seriously, the ACC is on fire, owns the Notre Dame cuckoo, and has dangerous and unhealthy ideas about basketball's place in the world. Florida State cannot be blamed for wanting to head for the exit.

Jumping conferences can kind of screw you in the present. Apparently the Sun Belt had a conference call to vote on whether to send Middle Tennessee or Western Kentucky to Little Caesar's Bowl. Obviously, the conference chose against future C-USA member MTSU. Also, losing 45-0 in the Sun Belt Championship probably had something to do with it.

Also, they owed Western Kentucky after last year.

Also, Notre Dame. I don't want them in the Big Ten-they wreck every league they are in solely because they are hellbent on looking out for themselves alone; their loyalties within the league would always be suspect; and they make unreasonable demands that would instantly cause the league to fly apart.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

Hint: In this modern college landscape, every school is looking out for themselves. No one wants to be left behind in the also-ran conferences that will exist when the dust settles. Notre Dame is no different than any other school that's not tied down in this regard.

To a point. If you're already in one of the safe power leagues, you are going to feel a decent amount of loyalty to the overall institution and marching to the same drummer. Unless you're Notre Dame that is. The Irish would want too many breaks for that to work out.

Just curious -- what are the safe leagues? By my count, it's Big Ten and SEC, and maybe the Pac-##. If you're in the Big XII and ACC, it seems like there's a very good chance you're not feeling too confident of the long-term health of your league.

Just those 3. (Big Ten, SEC, Pac-12)

Also, Notre Dame. I don't want them in the Big Ten-they wreck every league they are in solely because they are hellbent on looking out for themselves alone; their loyalties within the league would always be suspect; and they make unreasonable demands that would instantly cause the league to fly apart.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

Hint: In this modern college landscape, every school is looking out for themselves. No one wants to be left behind in the also-ran conferences that will exist when the dust settles. Notre Dame is no different than any other school that's not tied down in this regard.

To a point. If you're already in one of the safe power leagues, you are going to feel a decent amount of loyalty to the overall institution and marching to the same drummer. Unless you're Notre Dame that is. The Irish would want too many breaks for that to work out.

IMO Big12 really wants their championship game. They also want Florida. They will get FSU if they can. Even if that means a CCG that will make them millions more at Jerry World. The SEC doesn't have any problems getting extra teams in the BCS.

That's because their big boys don't really play each other all that often.

In regards to the Pac 12

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN

Pac 12's Larry Scott: "At this stage, I see no reason to go beyond 12 teams." If they did he said Pac-12 would look at Boise, SDSU

So I guess take any of the academic concerns the Pac 12 would have in getting to 14/16 and shoot them out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean. Also the absurdity of the Pac 12 raiding the Big East would just be the most conference realignment thing to happen in conference realignment.

"Will look at Boise St and San Diego St" translates to "we're desperate to add teams and we're not sure we can get all of or any of the Oklahoma/Texas 4."

I am hoping that translates to, "We think we wont be able poach the Big12 because they are about to add FSU." Fingers crossed.

FSU isn't why they would or wouldn't be able to poach the Big 12. The Grant of media rights is. That said, you really wanted Oklahoma to lose today because the only thing that will really force the Big 12 to expand is the sense that the 9 game round robin is dicking the Conference out of access bowl bids.

Monday will be an interesting day. GT and UVA to the Big10 is starting to get some serious legs. We will see how serious in a couple of days.

Goddamnit. Rutgers and Maryland are stupid adds, but have some semblance of logic and reason backing them up. Georgia Tech would be an insanely stupid add, just to get a foothold in a market that is completely spoken for in college football (while Virginia is a bridge to nowhere). It'd be like the SEC adding Northern Illinois to get them into Chicago (or the Big East adding DePaul).

Also, Notre Dame. I don't want them in the Big Ten-they wreck every league they are in solely because they are hellbent on looking out for themselves alone; their loyalties within the league would always be suspect; and they make unreasonable demands that would instantly cause the league to fly apart.

If I were the Big XII and I were going to take an ACC team that had orange in their colors, Miami would third on the list of three.

Recruiting standpoint: FSU gets you the SoFla market

TV stand point: FSU gets you the SoFla market

Miami has attendance issues even when they're not in the NCAA's cross hairs. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I think they are getting by on two things. To make FSU feel at home in the Big12. Also, Miami still brings in ratings. Strange, I know. I can see Fox wanting them.

Miami's also about to get carpet bombed by the NCAA. I'm not sure Florida State will want to bring along Miami after that.

They wont get it as bad as people think. No way they get it worse than Penn St.

There's no dispute about the NCAA's jurisdiction here and Miami has far fewer resources with which to build a recovery. The NCAA also just flat out said that they'll assume the testimony they got is truthful unless the former Miami players come to them to contradict it.

If I were the Big XII and I were going to take an ACC team that had orange in their colors, Miami would third on the list of three.

Recruiting standpoint: FSU gets you the SoFla market

TV stand point: FSU gets you the SoFla market

Miami has attendance issues even when they're not in the NCAA's cross hairs. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I think they are getting by on two things. To make FSU feel at home in the Big12. Also, Miami still brings in ratings. Strange, I know. I can see Fox wanting them.

Miami's also about to get carpet bombed by the NCAA. I'm not sure Florida State will want to bring along Miami after that.

Do you think the B1G will create 4 divisons if they expand to 16? Or just keep the Leaders and Legends divisions?

That's been the rumor since ESPN said that the B16 TEN invited Nebraska, Mizzout, Rutgers and ND back in like... late 2010. That is the end game. 12 barely works, 14 is a disaster, 16 lends itseld perfectly.

I'm anticipating either a 3 year cycle where A plays everyone in their division + A plays B in year 1, A plays C in year 2, and A plays D in year 3... or where A plays everyone in their division every year, + 2 teams from A, 2 teams from B, then 2 teams from B and 2 teams from C, then 2 teams from C and 2 teams from A.

With a four-team pod system, that's only seven games out of 12. The SEC, currently with 14 teams, plays 8 in-conference games, six within division, two from the other division ONe of those is a permement opponent, one is rotating.

Going to sixteen teamsand a twelve game schedule, conferences may have to make the move to nine conference games.

If the pods are kept within "divisions" (West/East, Atlantic/Coastal, Legends/Leaders) an idea for an 9 game roating pod schedule might be like this: you play all teams in your pod every year (3 games) alternate between 2 of the 4 teams in your division's other pod on a home/home basis (2 more games), then alternate playing 1 pod in the other division every year (4 more games). 5 games in division, 4 out of division.

I forgot about the protected cross over game. I would think 3 games within your division, 4 games from Divisional rotation, 1 game for your Projected Cross Over (Yes, this will still exist even when they move to 16... the B16 TEN understand the value of "The Game" every year, and they also understand the money that would result in Michigan -vs- Ohio State for the B16 TEN Championship, in an NFL Stadium, during Prime Time TV). So that would give 8 conference games... leaving 3 for out of conference scheduling. Since the B16 TEN and PAC-12 have a new working agreement... I would expect 1-2 games per team, per year against the PAC-12.

The Big Ten-Pac 12 schedule agreement died a few months back.

Do you think the B1G will create 4 divisons if they expand to 16? Or just keep the Leaders and Legends divisions?

That's been the rumor since ESPN said that the B16 TEN invited Nebraska, Mizzout, Rutgers and ND back in like... late 2010. That is the end game. 12 barely works, 14 is a disaster, 16 lends itseld perfectly.

I'm anticipating either a 3 year cycle where A plays everyone in their division + A plays B in year 1, A plays C in year 2, and A plays D in year 3... or where A plays everyone in their division every year, + 2 teams from A, 2 teams from B, then 2 teams from B and 2 teams from C, then 2 teams from C and 2 teams from A.

14 and 8 conference games works great for the SEC. You can have 6 ten win teams in a good year provided the schedules shake out the right way (like this year) and ZOMG the SEC is so frickin' tough y'alls.

BTW, the above is likely why the Big XII will ultimately expand, because while the Big XII is the deeper league, it doesn't look that way to outsiders because the 9 game round robin precludes that many 10 win teams and this is seriously going to start dicking the league out of access Bowl bids in a few years.

I see it. The Big10 wants markets. They took Rutgers for NYC. They took Maryland for DC/Baltimore. They would love Atlanta. GT don't give a crap about being on an island. They want in the Academics Sports Club.

And I would like a pony. Neither one of us is getting what we want.

ESPN reporting the ACC has voted to accept Louisville beginning in 2014

Finally, Cards to the ACC! If only the ACC brings Cincinnati, then I will be truly happy.

If the ACC brings in Cincinnati, that's because the Conference is in the process of collapsing. Care to rethink that sentiment?