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Exactly what I was thinking...how long did that last? I bet all those schools that left to make the MW are wishing they would have stayed together because the conference was pretty decent probably better than the big east at the time the bcs was constructed. Also what ever happened to the cusa and MW champ game that was supposed to happen?...

LOL no; one too many Texas schools, plus trips to Hawaii for everyone, and overall too many mouths to feed for their tastes. The schools that mattered in the Old, Old WAC did stay together, at least until the Pac-12 came calling.

Will the big 12 grab Houston like they did tcu from the huge east/America??! It would be only to reestablish south Texas and keep up with super conferencing

Only if they suffer more defections. Another thought, why isn't the ACC going after West Virginia. Is WV locked in some kind of contract?

The same media rights deal the rest of the Big XII has that you keep ignoring.

Will the big 12 grab Houston like they did tcu from the huge east/America??! It would be only to reestablish south Texas and keep up with super conferencing

Only if they suffer more defections. Another thought, why isn't the ACC going after West Virginia. Is WV locked in some kind of contract?

The ACC rejected WVU after the SEC did.

Yeah but I think things have changed. I think the ACC would be a lot more receptive to adding them now since they lost Maryland and the loss of Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, NC State are all very real possibilities. If the ACC could grab Louisville to replace Maryland and then extend an invite to Cincinatti, they could make a move back at West Virginia say hey, we are the first real super conference (at least by Quantity). Even if we lose 1 or 2 members, we'll still have more or equal members than the rest of the conferences.

Remember the WAC?

So, I just made the mistake of venturing over to hfboards.

Is it true that there is the possibility Jamison's investors are a Native American tribe that wants to set up a casino in the city (you know, something that might actually generate revenue) only the council doesn't want to build the casino and that in turn would jeopardize the vote because JESUS CHRIST NUKE THIS CITY FROM ORBIT ALREADY GOOD LORD YOUR COUNCIL IS LITERALLY THE DUMBEST SET OF POLITICIANS ON THE PLANET AND I FOLLOW DOWNSTATE ILLINOIS POLITICIANS.

If this is true anyway...

/Sorry Gary needed to be said

Oh, I will enjoy the inevitable Glendale municipal bankruptcy filing being blamed on out of control public sector union wages and pension benefits as well.

@smunshi Folks: when you go out, enjoy those lights. That's probably the last time you'll see them.

Streetlights or Christmas lights? If the latter; them the breaks. If the former; I'm seriously thinking of moving forward with establishing an organized crime ring in Glendale.

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BTW R.I.P. Blue Jackets Nous aurons toujours 2009

I would like to see the council ask the Coyotes Peanut Gallery for a show of hands to see just how many of them live in Glendale. Then have the Master at Arms toss the non-residents out.

Glendale's the town in Tom Goes to the Mayor, isn't it?

http://www.azcentral...conference.html

It's official, Grand Canyon University to the WAC for all sports beginning next year.

Trading one form or moral failure for another I see....(Grand Canyon's a for-profit; their total graduation rate is 38%)

This is what the Big East is trying to sell networks on:

...football membership will now be in 12 states, 12 of the top 50 Nielsen media markets and six of the top 25 media markets. The conference will have a television households reach of 24.3 million — by far the largest number in college football.

Sadly, each of those markets have a population which does not attend those games or is a fan of the home town team. There is a larger state university which is preferred at a much larger rate.

#4- Philadelphia--Penn State

#5-Dallas/SMU--> Texas, aTm, TxTech have larger local alumni bases

#9- D.C.--> Hoops only. Navy is known nationally, but not that nice a pick up.

#10-Houston (if still a member)--see Dallas

#13-Tampa/USF: Both Florida and Florida State

#20-Orlando/UCF--> See Tampa

#34-Cincinnati--> Ohio State

#48:Memphis--> University of Tennessee

#50-Louisville: Not a football state

#53-New Orleans/Tulane-->LSU

San Diego (if still a member)--> USC territory

I see what your saying, but, the Big East isn't trying to be a Super Conference. They know they can't beat the SEC or Big Ten in ratings but they can be the runners up. The Big East wants to a) survive make sure that they will be the best mid-major conference once super conferences arrive.

Also, Big East schools are second or third in most of these markets. That's good enough!

Don't you mean 4th or 5th? Remember, most of these cities have pro teams too.

3. Seeing ESTONES6's post above got me thinking about K-State. While KSU's academics are very sub-par compared to the snotty Big Ten, but their rise to relevance in football might make them a better candidate than scandal-stricken and bowl-banned UNC or 1-11 Kansas. We'll see!

For the last time...Kansas State's academics are not in issue.

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Cincy appears to also be joining the "let's join the ACC" fray. Appropriate mood music for this race/stampede follows.

Yeah, Army and Navy are going to look great on the ol' RPI.

That said, they won't join for basketball and Olympic sports. Patriot League's possibly a bigger bastion of NCAA amateurism than the Ivy League and hoo boy they'd be getting massacred for decades if they tried to join a major conference from where they are at.

Tulane to the Big East old Conference USA.

That's what the Big East has become. Conference USA featuring Temple.

I think the ony way for the ACC to survive is for Notre Dame to become a football member. They could set up the divisions so ND could still play BC, Pitt, Miami, Wake Forest, etc. every year. I think if ND joins as the 14th football member, FSU and Clemson won't leave and the ACC will stay at 14 barring Big Ten or SEC expansion.

But what about how Notre Dame makes a glorious commitment to America by playing against Army and/or Navy?

And what about how just about every other FBS school makes a glorious commitment to playing a tough gauntlet by playing against [insert favorite FCS school here]?

MDWM

That said I will acknowledge how Notre Dame plays Navy out of a real sense of World War Two obligation for how the Navy kept their doors open then. Although I'm sure the fact that the Middies typically remember their present place in the pecking order when they face Notre Dame also helps.

I see Texas as the next domino to fall. Texas and another solid academic school like Kansas would give the Big Ten 16 teams and plunge realignemnt into chaos for one final time. I just don't see Virginia and UNC going to the Big Ten. No huge TV market!

1. North Carolina is a bigger TV market than Kansas.

2. The Big 12 teams aren't leaving the Conference. The TV money is centrally distributed by the Conference to which they just signed their TV money and broadcast rights over to for the next decade. And no, the Big XII won't give you the money even if you ask nicely, because Baylor, TCU, and Iowa State have everything to lose by giving up on said Conference and nothing to gain. So, nobody's leaving.

What is the rumor du jour? UConn and UVA to the B1G.

The worst of both worlds.

The Big East becomes a basketball only conference again after all the football playing members disperse to different conferences. The Big East expands from 7 to 10 schools with the additions of Dayton, St. Louis and Xavier from the Atlantic-10.

Perfect (Catholic) symmetry

5 Eastern schools: Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova

5 Midwest schools: Dayton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Xavier

YES!

Here's what happens once the ACC falls apart. (In a dream world!)

Big East adds Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Duke, Wake Forest and Notre Dame for a mega-basketball-conference that is just as good as the other super-conferences in basketball. The New York City Tournament is even cooler now!

Big East schools sign an agreement that football will not be as important as basketball and forms a small football league.

Syracuse

BC

Pittsburgh

Connecticut

Duke

Wake Forest

Notre Dame (plays a majority of these teams anyway and it only occupies 6 spots on the schedule for ND so they can still play Navy, Stanford, USC, Etc.)

As long as the ACC exists, Notre Dame will be part of their bowl line up.

"Starting in 2014, here's the options," Notre Dame spokesman John Heisler said. "We can be in the playoff. We can be in Orange Bowl in a year that we're the next best team amongst us, the Big Ten and the SEC. We can be in another at-large game, an 'access bowl' as they're going to call them, I guess. And then we still have the full ACC package."

"This just means for a couple times, you're going to be pointed toward the Orange Bowl, if you're good enough to fit the criteria," Heisler said. "And if you're not good enough to make the cut there, that's why the ACC arrangement was a great benefit for us, because it gives you additional optons no matter what your record is."

The following is a list of ACC Bowl tie-ins:

Peach Bowl

Russell Athletic/Champs Sports Bowl

Sun Bowl

Belk/That Game In Charlotte Bowl

Music City Bowl

Independence/WeedEater Bowl

Military Bowl

Quite the lineup of fail/safes there folks.

Would UNC really split up with Duke?

If the choice is riding the ACC down to fiery destruction or grabbing a life raft but sacrificing a Conference rivalry with Duke...well Duke can always be a non-Conference game in basketball, especially post-K Duke.

If ND stayed indy for FB, would they go for Georgia Tech for #16 to get Atlanta?

"Half a League, Half a League, Half a League Onward. Into the Valley of Death, rode the 600"

Where the hell are we getting these BC to Big Ten ideas from? That's like.. the 12th most attractive team in the ACC for the Big Ten at this point. I don't care about the BAWSTON MAJAH MAWHKET, New England cares way less about college football than the NYC and DC markets for goodness sakes. BC hasn't done anything in football besides 2007 in the ACC, hasn't done anything in basketball since coming to the ACC, and although has hockey, the New England market's so divided between a bunch of college hockey schools that your BTN gain isn't going to be as large as down in the other two markets. Not to mention the Big Ten, Notre Dame aside, would much rather raid the ACC of the large, public, land-grant schools before a private school. That means your UVA, UNC, GT, and whatnot would be far above the list over BC.

The BC-(maybe) Duke-Miami (now that they're gonna get nuked)-Syracuse-Wake Forest combo's kinda stuck in the ACC regardless through all of the remaining realignment due to their private school status, for better or for worse.

How in the heck did BC wanted to get in the BIG? Where did you hear them McD29?

The past page of mumbling

Mind you, this presupposes that a Notre Dame entry into the Conference would be on their terms, which is incredibly off base; any expansion is going to be completely on the Big Ten's terms.

Boston College isn't coming to the Big Ten.

Also, the move to the Big Ten will allow Maryland to reinstate the seven sports that they cut over the summer.

Which as a Maryland fan would be dumb to bring them back right away. They need to look at this like an investment. They need to sink the extra Big Ten money into the revenue sports and get them to the point where they are producing enough revenue. The you can think about brining back and adding sports.

Maryland's financially boned BECAUSE they sank money into the revenue sports.

Nobody in the Big XII is leaving. The media rights contract is cost-prohibitive.

So, what does all this mean for basketball?

Namely the mid-majors.

A couple less conferences means a couple less auto-bids and more at-larges, right? Is this good or bad for mid major schools in basketball? Just wondering being a fan of such a program.

Minimal impact upon them unless they get tapped to flesh out an eviscerated conference.

It's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it.

It wouldn't be a permanent 13 team league. The Big Ten would never start a season with 13 teams. The Big Ten would invite Maryland and then go after Virginia, UNC and either Duke (becuase UNC wants to stay with Duke) or Georgia Tech-more likely. If all of those teams decline, then invite Rutgers.

That would potentially put the Conference on the hook for $200 million. No, that's a non-starter. And Duke's not worth adding. Georgia Tech's likely not worth adding either. Virginia may be a bridge and North Carolina best fits the Big Ten profile (barring massive academic sanctions for their fraud issues) but even that's iffy for addition.

And there is the possibility of everybody saying no too. Just avoid the risk and wait to announce until you have 14.

Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.

It's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it.

The B10 hung with 11 for a while.

See "if you can avoid it". That said, 13's a lot more unworkable than 11 because of unbalanced divisions and the unpleasantness of having an odd number of teams is not something the Big Ten is keen on repeating.

Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.

It's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it.

I can't see UNC and Duke splitting, but outside of that UNC would be a good fit in the B1G if Virginia comes with them.

Heck maybe they jump to 18. With the addition Virginia, UNC, Duke, and Georgia Tech.

Duke is irrelevant. There is no point in adding them.