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pmoehrin

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  1. Yeah, the Mets are very stubborn with retiring numbers, which is a good thing. They probably have the one of the highest standards for retired numbers in MLB. I just like the two standard system the Mets have going for them and I would wish every team would do it. My view of somebody having their number retired for a team is that they should be a slam dunk Hall of Famer if you only take into account the years they had with that team. Right now I'd say you could do it for Jeter, Mariano, Chipper, Ichiro, Ivan Rodriguez with the Rangers, Pujols with the Cardinals and maybe Todd Helton. Those are the only guys I see out there that are still active.
  2. The 31 retired number at Citi Field is a photoshop job. I would imagine they will retire it if and when Piazza gets elected to the Hall. The Mets have it is the way I think most teams should have it. A Hall of Fame/ring of honor type of situation and then retired numbers. To me the only one that should be retired is Seaver. Piazza I would consider borderline for that type of honor. I would say no but I get the arguments in favor of it and wouldn't have an issue with it if they did.
  3. Defensive specialist who happened to play for one of the best teams in the NBA? Why shouldn't his number be retired? To me the Spurs should only have three numbers retired. Gervin, Robinson and whenever Tim Duncan decides to call it a quits. If they want to do a ring of honor for other guys that's fine, but to say guys like Avery Johnson and Sean Elliott meant just as much to the Spurs franchise as did David Robinson is a bit absurd. Then again this is a team that also decided to retire Johnny Moore and his zero time all-star NBA career over Artis Gilmore, so I'm not looking for much logic when it comes to how the Spurs decide to retire numbers.
  4. Former New York Met Andres Galarraga Retired before the start of the '05 season.
  5. Or their current owner may himself be a crook. Jeffrey Vanderbeek was an executive VP over at Lehman Brothers before owning the Devils and has paid himself a salary in excess of $20 million virtually every year he's owned the team. Don't tell me somebody like that wasn't heavily involved in the issues that ultimately caused them to go under. There's simply no good reason I can come up with for why that team should be losing that much money.
  6. They also have Seton Hall Basketball, the circus, concerts its quite a profitable opperation. Bruce sold out two concerts in like 20 seconds a few days ago. Yeah that arena gets alot of use. Can also stage MMA fights in Jersey as well where as you cannot in New York, so it gets alot of bookings in that regard as well.
  7. I don't think anyone misses the Meadowlands Arena or their world famous ushers. Decent concert venue but for everything else it was terrible.
  8. Its the most common mistake I make. For the Panthers I have their conference mileage being 3636 and for the Titans I have 3617, and those were the only two teams I could find in that range. A 50 mile difference seems a bit more reasonable between what that site would have and what I would have. They may just have a different computer program then excel which is not the greatest program in the world for handling geometric equations, so that site is probably more accurate then what I have, but excel is good enough to get you in the ballpark of the true figure.
  9. Almost nothing there that is off by more then a mile or two from what I have for distance between teams, (for instance they have the distance between Miami and Seattle being 2722.9 miles, I have it as 2719.8 miles and that's the furthest distance between two NFL teams that exists) but that wouldn't account for a difference that large so I think you just made an addition mistake. From the total you have my guess is you left out a team like the Panthers or the Titans. Both of them would account for that 3700 mile difference between our two numbers.
  10. I ran the numbers and got 110,911 so my question did you account for the curvature of the earth with your format? It is better by about 5,000 miles though.
  11. I'm in and hope to post something by Christmas. Does one need to stick with the four conference, eight team format? Its if the NFL took the NHL conference realignment system, so yes four conferences eight teams. However I lied about the mileage, its actually 115870. (Forgot to include the 49ers)
  12. No but that's what happens when your reading baseball stories and think the Wizards is a terrible name. I even started typing in Capitals when I went to edit it. My brain just can't accept that name.
  13. Same idea with the NBA Conference 1 Atlanta Hawks Charlotte Bobcats Chicago Bulls Indiana Pacers Miami Heat Milwaukee Bucks Orlando Magic Conference 2 Boston Celtics Cleveland Cavaliers Detroit Pistons New Jersey Nets New York Knicks Philadelphia 76ers Toronto Raptors Washington Wizards Conference 3 Dallas Mavericks Houston Rockets Memphis Grizzlies Minnesota Timberwolves New Orleans Hornets Oklahoma City Thunder San Antonio Spurs Conference 4 Denver Nuggets Golden State Warriors LA Clippers LA Lakers Phoenix Suns Portland Trail Blazers Sacramento Kings Utah Jazz I don't think this one works out quite as well as the NFL one does. I'm not a big fan of splitting up the central division but its the best I can do. Total mileage for this would be 97250. Again if anyone thinks they can improve on that number let me know.
  14. Geographically speaking this is the closet I could come up with for a 4 conference league with the NFL. Conference 1 Arizona Cardinals Dallas Cowboys Denver Broncos Kansas City Chiefs Oakland Raiders San Diego Chargers San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks Conference 2 Atlanta Falcons Houston Texans Jacksonville Jaguars Miami Dolphins New Orleans Saints St. Louis Rams Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tennessee Titans Conference 3 Baltimore Ravens Buffalo Bills Carolina Panthers New England Patriots New York Giants New York Jets Philadelphia Eagles Washington Redskins Conference 4 Chicago Bears Cincinnati Bengals Cleveland Browns Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Indianapolis Colts Minnesota Vikings Pittsburgh Steelers You add up the distance between teams in conference you wind up with a total mileage of 110171. I'll take suggestions if anyone thinks they can beat that number.
  15. Can't see any team moving to Connecticut either. The Red Sox, Yankees and Mets would all throw fits if a team was even thinking about it. I think Connecticut could support a team, but the chances of a team coming to Connecticut are about zero because those three teams would never let it happen.
  16. I think its going to be impossible as well which is why I think the Trop is going to be around for much longer then most people would like to think it would be. Neither Tampa or St. Pete is going to give any money to the Rays and the political and economic climate is in such a way that it may be all but impossible for any other city to give any money for a new ballpark either and I think its going to stay that way for quite some time as well.
  17. Point I was trying to get at is that they were moving into a state of the art arena when they moved to Carolina and they knew it. If the RBC Arena doesen't get built the Whalers either stay in Hartford or move to another city. How serious was he about playing in an abandoned hanger I have no idea. If he knew anything about the kind of money luxury suites bring in though my guess is not at all. Then again good luck trying to figure out anything that goes through these owners minds. The ones I would describe more as single-minded then smart. They get an idea in their head and that's it. They just happen to have the money and the work ethic to make it work at least at some level. Doesen't mean the idea was a good one though.
  18. Hartford Whalers? I don't know what in God's name possibly could've been more appealing about Greensboro. They couldn't get an arena deal worked out in Hartford and the Raleigh arena deal was set before they left. I don't think they would have left if Hartford had an arena deal because they were the better market, but they didn't, Carolina did, so they left.
  19. I like the quote "this was never about saying which do we like better? Atlanta or Winnipeg?" Name one team that didn't relocate because they thought they were going to a better city either in terms of a larger population, better fanbase, or a better stadium/arena? Relocation is entirely about bidding cities against each other. If it wasn't then the Brooklyn Dodgers wouldn't have moved to LA. LA would have just gotten an expansion team, and the Dodgers would still be in Brooklyn, but that's not the same thing. The only way this wasn't about bidding Winnipeg against Atlanta is if the NHL lost all faith in Atlanta as a market the precise second they thought Winnipeg was a viable one and there is no chance it went down that way.
  20. I've heard of that as well. I think you could work something out there though. I can't see a situation where St. Pete would rather have the Rays leave the area completely then move to Tampa. The Rays wouldn't be looking into moving to Tampa at all if they thought the lease was that daunting. If the Rays said we want to stay and we'll build our own ballpark but only if we can go to Tampa, I think they would let them. The biggest concern is probably losing the Trop as a viable venue more then losing the Rays. St. Pete took a huge loss on that stadium for years before the Rays even moved in, so I think all they are looking for is at least a few more years to show that they didn't completely waste their time and money in building the thing because the second the Rays leave the Trop turns into a white elephant.
  21. I'm sure they are looking right now. There just aren't any takers. Cities aren't just going to hand over $500+ million for a ballpark in this economy. I know the Marlins got their new stadium, and the fact that they got their new stadium was one of the leading issues as to why their mayor lost a recall election. As a mayor right now you are risking political suicide if you give tax payer money for a new stadium.
  22. 10 years from now, Tampa might be in a situation where they have to cave in order to keep the Rays. But right now, where are the Rays going to go if the city of Tampa tells them to go to hell in regards to a new ballpark as they have been doing for the past three years? I see zero reason why Tampa has to give the Rays a new ballpark right now. The Rays aren't leaving anytime soon, and everyone knows it. Either they are getting contracted or staying. And if the MLB does in fact decide to contract the Rays, Tampa may hit the MLB with an anti-trust suit. I'm not sure if the MLB is willing to risk their anti-trust exemption for the sake of getting rid of one team.
  23. I think that's what alot of people forget. The Rays may not be making as much money as they could if they were to leave, but they are still making money. If they weren't making money, the MLB would contract them tomorrow. No team operates in pro sports that has zero chance of making money. (maybe the Hornets, but we'll see how long they last) There's no reason for them to leave Tampa for any reason other then a city building them a ballpark. Say what you want about the Trop, but its a better major league park then anything Portland or San Antonio has. When that fact changes, then maybe you can start to say okay for there's a chance they could bolt, but right now zero chance they leave within five years. The other aspect to this is that Tampa knows they won't leave, so why should they fork over the money for a new park? If the Rays want a new park so bad they can pay for it themsleves.
  24. True, but a baseball team leading its division every day of the season won't draw there, either. We've seen that. A pennant-winning baseball team there won't draw. We've seen that, too. A baseball team fighting for its playoff life won't draw. Neither will a baseball team actually playing playoff games. It's looking pretty clear that no baseball team will draw in Tampa Bay. I'm not defending Tampa at all. I'm just saying all the talk about the Rays moving for now is kinda pointless because there's no city out there capable of hosting an MLB team right now that doesen't already have one. They would need a ballpark and no city has that to offer. The two closest would probably be Buffalo and Omaha, but even those parks would take at least a year to get ready and I'm not even sure if either of those markets would be the best long term. Its not like Buffalo is in the best spot as a city financially right now and Omaha I would say is at best an average AAA market, granted minor league baseball is not a direct compairison for the MLB, but still.
  25. The problem is there just aren't many viable markets out there that don't already have an MLB team and an even bigger problem, no market has an MLB ready stadium that doesen't already have a team. What the Rays are going through isn't all that different from what most teams in the South go through. If your not a College Football team, a NASCAR race, or are out of first place, your not drawing. And lets be honest the Rays were left for dead by the end of June. A .500 baseball team in Tampa will not draw and that is roughly what they were for most of the year. Sad part is you can talk about potential markets all you want. Portland, OKC, San Antonio, Salt Lake City, Austin, Mexico City, Bangladesh, Greenland, Montreal. I don't think the Rays are going anywhere for at least another five years because of the ballpark issue.
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