Gothamite

5 minutes ago, Cujo said:

**Personal opinion: This has never mattered.

Ah, well.  That's a horse of a different color, isn't it?

On 4/9/2021 at 7:08 PM, Chawls said:

All within the past 5 years or less, it feels like:

• Cleat color doesn’t matter. 

On 4/9/2021 at 10:22 PM, Cujo said:

This has never mattered.

Oh, yes it has.

Until 2017, teams had to choose whether they were a black-shoe team or a white-shoe team, and all cleats had to be one of those as a dominant color.   

In 2002, Payton Manning tried to mark the death of Johnny Unitas by wearing black cleats, as Johnny U did in Baltimore.  The NFL prohibited it, because the Colts had become a white-cleat team by that time.  They even threatened Manning with a fine "of at least $25,000" if he wore the "wrong" color shoes.

So yeah, cleat color used to matter.  A lot.

29 minutes ago, BBTV said:

but then it's no longer a novelty.

bingo. 

On 4/5/2021 at 7:57 PM, BBTV said:

Honestly, that's so annoying that I wish there was some way to penalize it.  I also wish that PI wasn't so subjective and over-called that it's worth it to them to beg for it every play.  

I really think that begging to the refs for a penalty ought to be unsportsmanlike conduct.  If nobody saw it, not even the gods-eye in the booth, then it wasn’t a penalty and no amount of wild gestures in an official’s face can magically make it one. 

Gray>Brown>Literally every other color>White.

Jaguars in anything black save the helmet is terrible. 

3 minutes ago, throwuascenario said:

Yeah, my bad. I don't know why I can't let anyone else get the last word, it's a personality flaw.

it also explains a lot.  

This is a such a stupid argument.  Ask any sports fan which they would prefer:

1) undefeated in the regular season but wash out of the playoffs in the first round; or 

2) sneak into the playoffs and run the table to a championship. 

The better team is the one that’s better when it counts.  

19 hours ago, Froob said:

Pats need to fix their home uni and add silver pants now that they’re good again.

adding silver pants is the only fix their home unis need. 

4 hours ago, GoGreenGoWhite said:

Looked better in my head. The colors are very unbalanced; a ton of orange on the pants and very little everywhere else.

hand creeps towards like button...

4 hours ago, GoGreenGoWhite said:

I do like the monochrome orange look though.

never mind.

2 hours ago, Chromatic said:

What the hell is up with that spike on his shoulder?  It’s no longer a graceful curve but an awkward mess.  Instead of one crisp point like on the pants, it has an awkward two-point terminus.

Looks like the nail file that comes with clippers. 
 

Damn, Nike’s templates can’t even support a Nike design. 

22 minutes ago, dont care said:

their numbers are solid black for the away jerseys.

Those sleeve stripes, though.  Ugh.

I also hate the italic numbers.  Really discordant with the rest of the uniform.

5 minutes ago, oldschoolvikings said:

So, what you're saying is, except for the two huge rule changes that opened up the floodgates, there haven't been any changes?  Got it.

 

WTH? Did you even think about that sentence when you wrote it?

Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

5 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

The full ban on a second helmet shell came in 2013. Prior to that the league basically restricted it to throwbacks. The CTE thing was just a reason to push the restriction, which was already in place, even further. 

Yes.  
 

There are two one-helmet rules that consistently get conflated. 
 

The first one-helmet rule requires teams to have one helmet for their home, road, and alternate uniforms.  The only exception was as part of a throwback uniform. 
 

The second one-helmet rule removed the throwback exception in the name of player safety and restricted teams to one color shell for every game.

They are related but not the same. 

Remember when the NFL used to mandate the amount of white sock players used to show? 

Let’s not pretend uniform rules (and enforcement) haven’t significantly changed in the past decade-plus. 

14 minutes ago, ScubaSteve said:

Let's all be clear - the "one helmet rule" was created by the NFL to avoid liability, full stop

well, kinda. 
 

Before the current rule created to avoid liability, there was a one-helmet rule created to ensure uniform integrity.  When the Seahawks came out with their shades-of-gray uniform, they wanted home and road helmets but the NFL refused permission. 

6 hours ago, Cujo said:

 

Was unaware tv numbers are a safety concern like the one helmet rule..

Thank you.  One has nothing to do with the other. 

The TO uniforms were bad.  The dark maroonish color was a huge downgrade from their proper red, they didn't need six logos on the uniforms, and the mismatched helmet/pants stripes were a... curious choice.

1 hour ago, oldschoolvikings said:

Sure. I'm just saying that you can't really point to these two jerseys as a sign that TV numbers are going away, never to return. There have been throwback jerseys without TV numbers since the 90's.

 

Also, keep in mind that TV numbers have always been optional in college FB but it's still the norm to have them.

True enough.  And it will probably remain the norm in the NFL.  I just think it’s interesting that they have now become optional for teams. 

7 hours ago, phutmasterflex said:

TV numbers probably were a required thing but likely the NFL is starting to relax on that rule. Probably the elimination of the one helmet rule is another part of that.

The two don’t really have anything to do with one another. 

2 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

Both of those jerseys are throwbacks to jerseys that didn't have TV numbers.  What, did you want them to add them?

No.
 

But when the Chargers and Patriots introduce brand new uniforms without TV numbers, we know they’re not always required, as once they were. 

I don’t think that TV members are necessarily dead, but we’ve seen that they’re not always required as they once were. 

But are they still using the version he made, or their originals?

On 3/5/2021 at 12:17 AM, Cujo said:

 

That was really an official Seahacks logo?  Really?

Yes.  Just rarely used.  Think it was only ever seen on some stadium signage. 

On 3/2/2021 at 2:57 PM, cheo25 said:

Was not photoshopped. It's a Getty image. 

 

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/today-show-crew-jayne-kennedy-brent-musburger-and-irv-cross-news-photo/137259515

sorry, I know that it’s a real image.  I didn’t mean to imply otherwise, it just looks funny to me for some reason. The shape of it, maybe.