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But people call it Vegas. Nobody calls it York. I don't think it's comparable to any of those examples.

The Seattle pants not matching their helmet is bad.

2 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

If the NFL doesn't adopt this rule (and I don't think they will anytime soon, based on Roger Goddell's comments during Super Bowl Week), the NFL will continue to be accused of being rigged, scripted and having the referees on payrolls of certain teams.  

If someone is gullible enough (to be polite) to think the NFL is rigged, scripted or otherwise not on the up and up, there's nothing that will change that.

Note - incompetent officiating is a far simpler explanation.

9 minutes ago, CaliforniaGlowin said:

white logo on light blue helmet? oof

It's been done before - Houston Oilers 1960-65, plus their 1994 throwback

1 hour ago, Sport said:

 

Flipping logos depending on handedness so that the jersey ad is more visible makes this even more shameless. 

Would Pete Rose have had two jerseys, one to wear while batting right handed, and one to wear while batting left handed? It's probably already addressed. I don't care to look for it.

FAKE EDIT - not a shot at Rose, he was the first switch hitter I thought of for the Reds.

Those Roughneck helmets are distracting. Not a fan.

17 minutes ago, tigers said:

I know it's a novelty type of idea for it in the USA and other areas but it works well in many other countries and leagues.

You don't have to have full member ownership but something similar to the 51% rule.

 

You know some clubs in the NFL still have life member seats like the MLB?

 

 

Thanks for that information as i did not know about the owners.

It would be a shame to lose Montreal as they do love their football for some reason.

Who?

1 hour ago, Volt said:

So up to this point, no team has confirmed new logos or uniforms for the 2023 season, correct? 
 

Officially, we can expect new alternate helmets and throwback/alternate uniforms?

Agreed with the first, as I've only seen speculation here.

I'm not sure that officially is the right term for the second. We can expect new alternates, throwbacks, or regular uniforms and/or helmets.

3 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

They could have also used the black shoulder pads to distinguish themselves from the Saskatchewan Rough Riders and New York Jets

Meh. I think the fact that they don't play in either the CFL or NFL will make that distinction.

5 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

[1] As a traditionalist, I don't like the runner on second. [2]That said, there absolutely need to be measures taken to reduce the length of games. If the ghost runner reduces the length of extra-inning games, than I can accept it. What I would rather to to prevent regular-season games from going super long is have them end in a tie after, say, 12 innings. American fans tend to be very averse to ties, though, so that's probably a non-starter. A cap on possible innings would be great for managing pitching staffs and the bench and would prevent the most ridiculous of the ridiculously late games. [3] Maybe the popularity of soccer will reduce our aversion to ties.

That all said, I think that the primary problem with game length occurs in innings 1-9. [4]The real challenge is how to speed that up...pace-of-play to 1) [5]keep fans interested and 2) [6]make a 3.5-hour nine-inning game a rarity. As a traditionalist, I accept that something has to give, even if I don't know what it is. Hopefully that can include finding a way to have more balls in play. Right now they all go over a wall, fair our foul.

Pitching to contact, stealing bases, hit-and-run, small ball...these were always bad strategies. [7]But the game sure was fun...

Specific points

1 - Co-signed

2 - Absolutely agree

3 - You lost me here. Soccer isn't as popular as its fans believe that it is. Regardless, what works in one sport doesn't apply to another. If it did, then the NFL (and NHL) never would have had ties because baseball (and basketball) didn't.

4 - Yup

5 - I'm more ambivalent on this one. I agree that fans have to care about baseball, but not all fans lose interest in a game that many people would consider boring or one that causes them to lose interest. We can't fix a problem by changing what we think interests fans if that interest isn't shared by some overwhelming percentage of the fanbase.

6 - See 1 and 2 above

7 - see 6

2 hours ago, Cujo said:

Someone with a lil more knowledge on this fill me in on this -- But by asking for your release, you're kinda voiding your existing contract, ya?

 

 

Where did it say he is asking for his release? Don't confuse 'I won't accept a trade due to my no-trade clause', with 'please release me'. It's not that tough.

The Chiefs and Eagles first played each other in the regular season in 1972. They didn't meet again until 1992.

23 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

I don't think that's correct - at least if you're still under contract.

 

If you are still under contract and "retire" but don't file papers, then you're basically no-showing work and can be fined, etc.

 

If you're a FA (like Brady) then it doesn't matter from a "show up to work" perspective, but I'm not sure that any retirement benefit could kick in based solely on your "word" that you're retired.  I'm not a lawyer, but have had employees file for retirement when eligible just so they can start collecting on the benefits (and still come to work but as a 1099 or something like that.)  I don't know how unions work, but it has to be similar. 

 

Maybe Watt isn't under contract anymore and just doesn't care right now about whatever retirement plan the union has.

I'll trust Mike Florio's knowledge over yours

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/11/tom-bradys-retirement-letter-ultimately-means-nothing/

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

When you file the papers, doesn't that mean you can start collecting the pension or whatever other benefits you're entitled to post-career? 

 

Not that he can't unretire, but it might be slightly more complicated than just filing another paper that says "lol jk".

Not from everything I've read. In fact, as JJ Watt pointed out, you don't even NEED to file any papers.

4 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

 

It's not going to stop Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio and others to say that he's coming back in 2023.  

Because it does nothing to prevent him from coming back. Acting like this is the proof is just being obtuse.

Again, he may truly be done, but this doesn't mean that.

34 minutes ago, TBGKon said:

This would seem to make it clear that Tom Brady is really done and not coming back to play in 2023.

 

 

Do you know what he has to do to un-retire? File a letter with the NFL.  This does nothing.

EDIT - I'm not saying he isn't retired. But this means nothing. Schefter knows that, but sometimes you agree to tweet things for favors, either future, current or past.

2 hours ago, TBGKon said:

I was actually curious is Fiserv could host arena football since so many NBA arena's are going basketball centric.  I found this pic with ice and I suppose its doable.

 

I work on occasion for Marquette Men's basketball, so I'm on the floor periodically (I'll be working the game against Xavier on Wednesday - I'm at the scorer's table). It has the grooves in the floor for the boards, so it is possible.  Clearly the venue has hosted a college hockey tournament, so it can be done. The bigger problem, though, is fitting a schedule into the primary tenant (Bucks) and secondary tenant (Marquette), not to mention concerts and what not.

It has the infrastructure, so it's doable. I don't think it is viable, however, as you would be left with (likely) unpleasant home dates.

1 hour ago, adsarebad said:

please tell me that is not real?  

You read it on the internet - it must be real.

45 minutes ago, TBGKon said:

Then let the full 53 man roster dress for every game.  To me it's odd that while all teams have a 53 man active roster, only 47-48 are truly active on a gameday roster.

It was intended to allow teams to not play injured players by letting them sit the guys who were hurt.  If a team chooses to NOT dress a third QB (or even carry one on their roster), that's on the team, not on a league rule.

2 minutes ago, fortunat1 said:

You're right about the ticket availability; my reasoning should've been articulated a little better. The lack of accessibility to tickets is a major deterrent for local residents who do desire to go to games. Regardless of why Milwaukee citizens don't attend Packers games, I'm sure that they wouldn't be major issues with a local AFL team.

In all honesty, I have no clue. I'm not familiar with what types of requirements indoor football has and if the Fiserv Forum could even meet them. Attendance, desire from the Forum itself, and other monetary factors may also make it impractical to play there, should the physical requirements be met. I'm not familiar with any of this though, so hopefully someone can provide a more accurate/more complete answer.

I think the Forum would make an AFL team a third-tier tenant at best, behind the Bucks, Marquette, and likely any other events (i.e., concerts). Panther Arena (the former MECCA) could be  better, but that puts you behind the Admirals and Panthers, plus events.

1 minute ago, fortunat1 said:

Speaking as a Milwaukee resident, I don't think that fan interest will be the primary issue for a local AFL team. Most of the city has allegiance to the Packers, but can't attend games due the long trip up to Green Bay and the price of tickets. Providing these fans with a reasonably priced local opportunity to consume live football should be successful in theory, because it finally gives them the opportunity to attend competitive football while still maintaining their allegiance to the Packers.

 

As mentioned above, the lack of a stadium is the main vice keeping Milwaukee from actually getting a team. I'm sure that an AFL team could draw decent attendance from fans who hold views similar to mine, but the lack of a venue makes it unlikely that we can secure a franchise.

I've been a season ticket holder since forever. I've driven to GB from SE Wisconsin for nearly every game since 1992. Given the traffic on gamedays, I'm not alone in that feeling about the drive. I'd argue it is less the cost of tickets than the availability, given that they are all sold to season ticket holders.

On the reverse of this, I was a season ticket holder to the Green Bay Blizzard for 5 years and made that drive for home games, so if someone WANTS to do it, it isn't an issue.

19 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

The Milwaukee Mustangs drew extremely well by AFL standards, averaging about 14,000 at the Bradley Center for most of their existence from 1994 to 2001.  This includes a winless first season in which the team ranked third in the league in average attendence.

 

On five separate occasions, the Mustangs at the Bradley Center outdrew the Brewers at County Stadium on the same day.

 

DATE        MUSTANGS  BREWERS
1995-05-26    12,474   11,054
1996-04-25    15,147    6,707
1996-06-14    15,710   14,404
1998-05-08    17,111   14,711
1999-04-28    13,101   11,441

 

So Milwaukee might be a pretty good city for a team in the revived AFL.

 

Compare the latter day Milwaukee Iron/Mustangs to the same timeframe Brewers and get back to me with a new opinion

10 hours ago, Sykotyk said:

I thought there was one, but I was wrong. Searched the whole city and the biggest stadium I could see probably only holds about 6-7000. Even just outside the city, nothing seemed big enough. Old Miller Park (whatever name it is now) might have the space for a football field. But, not sure.

American Family Field doesn't have a layout for football. If you can fit a field in its footprint, the viewing angles would suck.

There's not a venue that would work, not to mention the fact that there's no desire or ownership, as this is Packer territory.

EDIT - Oops, I meant to quote @ManillaToad

Jeff Fisher was 142-120 with the Oilers/Titans.

He was 31-45-1 with the Rams.

173-165-1 over 22 seasons.

I don't know what you mean by 'a good coach for his era'.

This was NOT my first time at County Stadium, circa 1976. Lee May model first baseman's glove (I was an all glove no stick first baseman - no future for me). Brewer batting helmet and t-shirt - that was about as decked out as a fan could get back then. I'm pretty sure I kept score while watching the game.

17 minutes ago, Skycast said:

 

I always love seeing comments like this one. Makes me wonder what the commenter's record is as a professional football coach.

I assumed everyone was in on the joke that Jeff Fischer was pretty much a 7-9 record over the last few years of his career, yet he kept getting jobs.

I guess not.