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Due didn't even get a college scholarship, and had to walk on a Cincinnati as a linebacker before moving to OL.  He's now going down as arguably the greatest center of all time, and the HOF is basically announcing he'll be a first ballot.

On 3/2/2024 at 5:47 PM, TheAnt755 said:

Very patriotic!

Patriotic for a team named for revolutionary-era patriots to wear the colors of the "red coats" that they were fighting against?  More treasonous if you ask me (which you didn't) (and no, I'm not suggesting that any players get hanged for treason).  Not every colonial soldier wore blue, especially since many were essentially wearing tattered rags, but red is distinctly British.  And no, there's not green eagles or navy bears, but when the team is named for a very specific human that wore a uniform (or at least battled against humans in uniforms) then the colors should be more representative.   Also their logo at the time wore a blue coat - that should definitely be an indicator that their jersey color was mismatched.

The Patriots should never have been in red, from their founding until the '90s.

6 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

I love that he's retiring wearing a sleeveless Eagles T-shirt rather than the usual suit and tie that players usually wear when they retire.  

Considering Tom Brady never beat the GOAT in the Super Bowl, Kelce is without a doubt the greatest 6th round draft pick in NFL history.

Jason Kelce is retiring.  He couldn't make it through the start of his presser without crying for minutes.  Couldn't even get a sentence out.

HOFer for sure.  Arguably an Eagles Mt. Rushmore player, along with Reggie, Dawkins, Chuck Bednarik.  

Special recognition to Big Dom for being the lifeblood of the org (and not being sarcastic.)

EDIT:

Just said on live TV that Nick Foles had the biggest dick on the team, and Doug Pederson the biggest balls.  Only one F bomb so far.  

I hate the use of the term "rebuild" in sports - especially for when a team has sucked forever.  You're not "rebuilding", you're just "building".  To "re" build, you have to have been built, and too often, the term is used for teams that were never good.

To me, it means that your team was great, but now has some aging superstars that you want to trade a year early rather than a year late (or just on time), knowing that you may take a step back.  A "rebuild" shouldn't be used for any team that's hit Rock Bottom (I expect a C&D from The Rock for that.)

4 hours ago, dont care said:

those shorts are too short

Nah.  They can even be an inch shorter.  The problem is that the awfulness of the tights is inversely proportional to the length of the shorts, so they'd look bad.  I have no problem with guys wearing tights - I do it from time to time at the gym, even in warm-ish weather - but there needs to be some way to make it more of a part of the uniform.

I've commented on the long arms thing before.  Usually with the NFL reveals, where they have the guys flexing with their arms down, they're practically at their ankles.  It's not natural, and I'm not sure why they do it.

I thought the Flyers did a smart thing a few years ago by putting the player's picture on an otherwise generic banner.  That way, the banners could be consistent without any worry about what uniform the player wore or what number font (not that it's an issue with the Flyers, but is for other clubs.


  

They've since standardized them to match the current uniform:

There is 0.0% chance of a permanent MLB team in SLC.  I'll change my user name to "I__am_a_flaming_Dbag" for a year (like we made that one guy do) if it happens.

Let's take it to the next level: "I_am_a_flaming_communist_dbag_whore".  We can pressure the 30ish members of the XII to get that cleared.

7 hours ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

Also I didn't think that or the White Sox because it was high enough to at least overlap whereas I thought we were specifically talking about severely lower numbers.  Although that Oakland example may be just as low and the A is just huuuuuuge.  It seems taller than the usual chest logo.

 

Besides the URL and the lack of alternates, what makes Dressed to the Nines obsolete, especially when it's still getting updated?  I've always found it useful for finding trends.  Set to the larges amount of unis per page and see what year a change was made in a few seconds/the rise of powder blue and pullovers/etc.  Besides, alternates exploded in this millennium and I have my own records past 2007.

The URL isn't trivial, but the lack of alternates is a big deal - especially since some teams have a relatively-equal rotation of jerseys rather than what used to be considered "alternates".  Example would be the Padres, who designated their "brown" jerseys as "road", so you wouldn't even know that they had a gray/sand version of their home.    Also, the Marlins seem to wear black more than gray, but the black is nowhere to be found.

Also the template was horrific from 95-00, but that's been improved upon.

1 hour ago, oldschoolvikings said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't count that because it seemed necessitated due to the vest (2 digit numbers would never fit there) but I suppose it's one example. My point still holds - the majority of early examples are in line with the logo

3 hours ago, BadSeed84 said:

 

They'll time it when they replace Jalen Hurts next season or so.

I know it's popular to assume that Hurts won't be on the team in 2025 (or whenever the dead-money hit for cutting him is reasonable), but I don't think that's the case.  He contributed to the awfulness of the season, but this isn't a Wentz situation at all.  I don't know if they have the talent to compete next year or even finish .500 (can't win games if you're giving up 50 a game) but I have confidence that they'll gel better now that they've been through this valley.  Kelce coming back would be nice too.

*unless the rumors of someone banging someone else's wife/SO are true, which they don't seem to be... but maybe?

8 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

They said for years that they want to do kelly green real bad, and they also keep hesitating on it and it's irritating me.

That's simply not true.  They've said very clearly that they wanted the one-helmet rule to end so that they could have it as an alternate, and at one point, the president (not owner, but I'm pretty sure he's said the same) that they'd run it for a few years before considering any change.

Maybe it's just to double dip on merch sales, maybe they just wanted to see it in action to gauge if they (the decision makers) liked it, or maybe some other reason.  But at no point have they said that they definitely wanted to change their look.

7 hours ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

 

Huh.  You're right.  I'd forgotten how far back some of those examples go.

 

I went to the Dressed to the Nines archive and unfortunately it doesn't show alternates and it turns out all of the examples nowadays seem to be alternates.  But, it did show that those who do it nowadays wore them alongside or after wearing wordmarks with front numbers, so perhaps it was just a matter of one team saying "we put the numbers here, so keep doing it" and others following or just a number of people coming to that same conclusion.

Also, Dressed To The Nines is basically obsolete now.  It's not even HTTPS.

I refer to this site for uniform histories, as it's almost all game-worn stuff, and insanely thorough.  Now I have caught at least one discrepancy where a Phillies jersey with bootleg numbers was shown, but overall I trust the site.

EDIT: unfortunately it stopped being updated in the late 2010s, but it's the best resource I've found for anything up to that point.

https://mlbcollectors.com/index.php

6 hours ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

Huh.  You're right. 

As has been confirmed dozens of times by dozens of members, this is generally the case.

5 hours ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

 

I've never really found this odd and the Reds having the number up at the same level seemed unique and different.  But I just realized looking at it why it is the way it is.  Front numbers came into existence on uniforms with wordmarks across the chest.

 

 

When they were put on uniforms with just a logo on one side of the chest, I imagine no one thought to switch the numbers from where they originally were even though there now wasn't a wordmark in the way of higher placement.  It just felt like the natural place where front numbers go.  Probably why until you asked I never thought it was an oddity in any way.

But historically, teams with chest logos never put the number low.  It's actually a more recent thing.

3 hours ago, Kiltman said:

I’ll try to find them, it was from some of the local best writers after they updated the wordmark.

 

edit: here’s one of the two I remember. Another said probably 2025.

It could very well just be the wordmark change and that’s it. Hoping for more.

Yeah I've heard nothing other than they wanted to "test" the '80s greens out for a few seasons before even thinking about making any changes.

I'm still on the lookout for the first 2024 jersey that features that wordmark.  I'd be shocked if they pushed it off another year, considering they could do it now.

25 minutes ago, The_Admiral said:

 

I would watch the hell out of a documentary about board culture in general. If you spent 2005-2006 arguing with a guy from Kitchener, Ontario eight years your senior whose avatar was the cover of If You're Feeling Sinister subtitled "turning down sex like my name's Al Bundy," you have lay awake wondering what possibly could have become of that guy. Maybe such a movie would find the answer.

We've talked before about a movie or documentary, what it would be like, and who would play board members.  I think the thread is in the Goldmine, but it could be fun to start a new one.

6 hours ago, Kiltman said:

Hoping the alleged tweak they’ll be getting by the 2025 season

Source?

Here's what he does with the Fanatics and (formerly) the Sixers money.  This guy's parties are legendary.  Oh what I'd give to be a 5'6" jewish billionaire that gets pro athletes and rappers to temporarily put aside their war against the chosen ones.

NGL, he's living the life.  Think I might start my own cheap-ass bullcrap poor-shipping and no-customer-service-having apparel company.

2 hours ago, MNtwins3 said:

As far as I know, the Nats were the only team to do this

Pittsburgh did. 

why on earth do some teams put the front number so low when it's on the right (viewer's left) side?  I can't think of any scenario where that's preferable to putting it parallel with the logo.

35 minutes ago, gothedistance said:

 

It did get modified in 2003 when the Eagles moved into Lincoln Financial Field.

Pretty significantly from the eyes of a uni-conscious person (and a huge upgrade imo), but not to an average fan.

For all intents and purposes, they've had the same "look" since 1996, especially since the helmet, logo, and number font haven't changed.

Fortunately this terrible idea with the stripes only lasted one season:

But that’s kind of my point. It may have pushed the homeless and drug users into other parts of the city, but does it really bring much economic value on non game days?

Dont get me wrong - having something nice where there’s currently crap is better than the alternative (it’s part of why I’m Pro Sixers arena even though there’s a lot of risks and flaws with the plan), but I think that claims (not you specifically, but by most people that support new parks) of revitalization and  economic impact are often overblown. 
 

“Vitalization” is part of “revitalization”, and I think in many of these cases, it’s more like “clean up and make prettier” more so than “revitalize”. And that’s cool - I’m in favor of that… so long as it’s mostly privately financed. 

17 hours ago, LaGrandeOrange said:

Québec as a strong potential NHL market, but it's a fairly low ceiling market

NHL should be focusing on high floors, and not worrying about low ceilings.

9 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Giants proved that if you really want to “revitalize” a part of your city, a park will definitely help to do that.

I've been in the park's area a few times (mostly just to take pics of the park), but is there really anything of note there other than a Safeway, some offices, and a couple of coffee shops?  Like, is there any reason to be there when there's not a game going on?  I can't compare before and after, but even the after doesn't (as an outsider with a small sample size) seem "vitalized".

On 1/15/2024 at 1:37 PM, leopard88 said:

nobody considered light blue/powder blue a Phillies team color. 

waaaaay late on this, but confirmed.  Their colors were maroon, red, and white.  The blue was thought of as "something that's not white that they wear on the road."  

From growing up in the blue era, I can say that none of my friends or I even thought much about it.  To us, it was just that some teams wore gray and some wore blue, and who knew why?

In hindsight, people comment on how good those colors look together.  Anecdotally, nobody even thought about it until they switched to gray, and even then, other than "hey, they're wearing gray now", I don't even remember much conversation.  It was just looked at  as that you could choose from gray or blue to wear, and some picked one and some picked the other