Morgan33

True, but it initially looked like the SCF patch was going to remain in that awkward, claustrophobic position on the right regardless... Glad they changed their mind.

You people can go cry some more because someone posted a Sports Design opinion on a thread about Sports Design... You can get your panties in a twist because someone pointed out how many times a striping template has been recycled ad nauseam by Adidas. Here's the league in 1991 where very single team has a traditional look. You know how many use Detroit's template? One: Detroit. So get ed!

Yeah, I have terrible taste because I don't want every new design to use the same template... You got me there. Tell me more about your one-striping-configuration-fits-all-teams viewpoint. I bet it's really interesting .

The logo references this jersey, phantom or not... They could have done more with the striping. And what's with the Navy?

You've said nothing that explains why more time and effort can't be put into the striping of new uniforms... You've just parroted that Adidas only had a year. Well it doesn't take a year to come up with a few different options besides re-colouring Detroit's template... Especially when you have a 100+ year history to draw from. Again, this doesn't explain why more striping options can't be presented to teams. Adding and changing the width and colours of horizontal stripes is hardly an arduous process. Detroit is not the only team that has a Faux 06 look. The Lightning had a very traditional striping configuration when they entered the league but it stood apart because of how it was coloured and framed. Dallas had plenty of traditional striping configurations in their history (especially if you included their North Stars history) they could have drawn from that looked very different from the Detroit template. I'm not oversimplifying the entire process. I'm wondering why teams and Adidas can't come up with striping configurations that honor there own history or break new ground instead of going with that tired Detroit template for 50th time. Horizontal striping is one of the most distinctive characteristics of a hockey uniform. Why can't more attention be paid to it?

Because there are no lazily designed alternates in the league right now that went through "the full design process" . No full time jerseys either. I would love it explained to me in detail why a Detroit, recolour with no sleeve stripes and a logo that already exists couldn't be topped by anyone with mild knowledge of Illustrator in under two days... And your approval means oh so much to me "don't care."

You're right. It isn't design criticism, it's calling a spade a spade. At least the person behind the Buffaslug owned up to it. He didn't say it turned it out the way it did because of time and manufacturing constraints and try and pass it off as a good effort. From the time sports merchandise went mainstream till the mid 2000's, uniform designs didn't look they were dashed off in less than 5 minutes. Even blunders like Fisherman, Mooterus and Predator's Mustard's (to name a few) at least looked like some effort was put into them... They didn't just recolor Detroit's template, remove the sleeve stripes, slap a retro logo on it, and call it day. But I guess a process with a track-record as unoriginal and slap-dash, as the below image indicates, is exempt from any criticism because someone shared some insider information about it... Whatever the CCSLC mob says. Flame on.

Just because someone has experience in the industry and knows how it works, doesn't mean their work is exempt from criticism. The amount of designs, we've seen from Adidas, that look like they were dashed off in less than 5 minutes, these past five years, is staggering. I don't work for WWE but I'm allowed to say their product has been extremely underwhelming for a long time. You put something in the public domain, people are going to have opinions about it. Especially on a forum where people share their opinions on uniform designs. Get over it. I don't expect him to do anything except stop making excuses for why new designs look like a total of 5 minutes of effort were spent on them. The Arena's jersey just looks half-assed but the "Smashville" jersey was indefensible and I remember hearing a bunch of excuses about that too... Back in 2006, the designer's behind the Sabres 'Slug' could be criticized and rightfully so. I don't remember anyone on hear saying "that designer works for Reebok and knows the process so him and his work are off limits from criticism." Give me a break. If that Arena's jersey is the result of "the process" then there is something seriously wrong with said process that should be evaluated. I don't buy the excuse that "this is best we could do because we only had a year." Someone could make a better design in 5 minutes.

Full of excuses as usual.

"How can we make an already boring jersey even more of a snoozer?"

No argument there. But it's one of those logos that's so bad it's almost charming. And the fans seem to love it so why not? I don't think many people on here would call the classic Islander's logo great but fan demand necessitated its return.

It's literally a stripe and two width-changes away from being a straight up re-colour... I think people are too enamored with the Kraken identity (which is understandable, it's beautiful) to admit that.

Sorry. After all the hate I've gotten on here for daring to criticize the Flame's retro's, I incorrectly assumed you were being combative. Anyways, I asked the person working there if they had any of last years Reverse Retro's left and they said "no, but the next one will feature that same logo on the front." When I told this person that I thought they were going with the pedestal, they said "That wasn't incorrect." Guess we'll have to wait and see...

Someone said it to me. I'm not sure how someone could come to that conclusion by just walking into a store and not talking to anyone .

Was at the Flames team-store today and got a strong hint that their Reverse Retro will feature the pedestal-striping and Blasty on the front.

The classic Islanders logo never belonged on the wave jersey. The lack of teal really made it look tacked on... The knee-jerk switch in 1997 was just a band-aid solution to quell fan dissatisfaction until the dynasty striping was restored. Give us the real Fisherman jersey. Both the Teal and Orange versions look great.

Whatever the Stars go with, I hope the jersey includes gold. I love their new scheme with the silver but gold shouldn't be forgotten completely. They were the Black, Green and Gold team for their first 20 years.

You may get your wish in the form of their Reverse Retro... Word is the pedestal template is coming back and the only decision they're mulling is whether to go with black or red as a base.

The lack of self awareness on this post is astounding. Literally everything you are accusing me of is what you did when you started this back-and-forth. The feeling is more than mutual. This used to be a cool place where people could their have their own opinions about uniforms. Now it has degenerated into and endless feedback loop where everything follows a retro-is-great narrative and anything modern is (pick one) "Trendy," "BFBS," "Bandwagon Jumping" and so and so forth... If I was interested in reading that, I'd go to Uniwatch. Ditto. This is the last time I am ever responding to you.

Whatever you say chap. Christ, you even pass off your opinion as a dyed-in-the-wool fact in the same post...

Why? Replace Blue with Red and it's pretty much the exact same mismatched uniform set, stripe for stripe. I'm gushing over a uniform from 19 years ago, one that if it weren't for Reebok's horrible vision for hockey, would likely have remained intact until at least the end of 2020, because I think it looks good. Period. I don't heap praise on it because it's old or call it "timeless." You are entitled to your opinion. What irritates me is how you act like anyone who disagrees is engaging in some sort of sacrilege or that there's only one right answer. There are many legitimate reasons why people can criticize the retros and there are also plenty of legitimate reasons why people can prefer the 2004-07 look. And I'm far from the only person on these boards who does. Pardon the pun but things are not as black and white as that. There are cases where adding black is completely unnecessary band-wagon jumping (See the Mets) and there are cases where it can improve a teams colour palette. I'm willing to wager the majority of people on here prefer the Devil's championship winning look to their original red and greens. I'm not one of those people but I'm not going to call it BFBS, bandwagon jumping because of my personal preference.

Why is it timeless? Because it's from the 80's? Because it doesn't have black? Because it aped the Blue's almost stripe for stripe? The idea that a team named after fire can't use black is ridiculous. And just because the stupid term "Black for Black's Sake" was coined, doesn't mean every team that adds it is following a trend.

If that were the case, then every new design would automatically become a best seller. Sabres fans would have bought anything that remotely resembled their original scheme after 10 years of black and red so that's hardly a fair comparison. The Ducks new uniforms also debuted that year and not even a Stanley cup championship could make them a best seller. Adding black absolutely moved the brand forward because it gave the uniforms something they've never had: proper contrast. A uniform that pairs two overtly bright colours with multiple examples of white and yellow bleeding together is a poorly thought design. Especially when this issue of colour-bleed gets in the way of the set having a cohesive striping configuration. There were lots of examples of Black for Black's sake in the 90's. The Flames were not one them. After going too far out with the pedestal and Blasty designs, they finally utilized the addition of black properly in 2003. If they weren't replacing the black, blasty uniform, they'd be replacing the red pedestal so I'm sure it would have been a popular and beloved upgrade either way. Spin it how you want, I was in Calgary when the uniform debuted and people loved it. Clean without black or clean without the side panels, intersecting hem-piping, mismatched socks and clash-patches? The 2004-07 set was a perfectly clean design. Not everything from the 80's is automatically timeless. The Flames retros are mismatched, overtly bright and gaudy.

Black was the secondary colour on the whites, from 3 years prior, so the emphasis on the home reds was perfectly logical. They could have gone with white but chose to look forward and it worked spectacularly. I don't think you can call a jersey that became the leagues best seller upon debuting overrated. Yeah, success had a lot to do with it but not every cup finalist automatically gets the best selling jersey without a damn good design. I've lived in Calgary my whole life and I've never seen a Flames uniform embraced in the way those home reds were. They were flying off the shelves even before they won a series and you would regularly hear people, even non sports-aesthetic enthusiasts, talk about how nice they were. A uniform that would have never changed if it weren't for Reebok destroying half the leagues aesthetics with their ill-advised edge template. Would there even be a demand for the retros without the switch the to flag clown-suits?

How? The Hierarchy is the same on both jerseys. Red is dominant, black is secondary and yellow is tertiary. Black is the clear secondary colour on the road whites regardless of the pants. The black stripes are thicker than the yellow ones and you can't count white as a team colour. Every team in the league has a road white.