Morgan33

Whatever the Stars go with, I hope the jersey includes gold. I love their new scheme with the silver but gold shouldn't be forgotten completely. They were the Black, Green and Gold team for their first 20 years.

You may get your wish in the form of their Reverse Retro... Word is the pedestal template is coming back and the only decision they're mulling is whether to go with black or red as a base.

The lack of self awareness on this post is astounding. Literally everything you are accusing me of is what you did when you started this back-and-forth. The feeling is more than mutual. This used to be a cool place where people could their have their own opinions about uniforms. Now it has degenerated into and endless feedback loop where everything follows a retro-is-great narrative and anything modern is (pick one) "Trendy," "BFBS," "Bandwagon Jumping" and so and so forth... If I was interested in reading that, I'd go to Uniwatch. Ditto. This is the last time I am ever responding to you.

Whatever you say chap. Christ, you even pass off your opinion as a dyed-in-the-wool fact in the same post...

Why? Replace Blue with Red and it's pretty much the exact same mismatched uniform set, stripe for stripe. I'm gushing over a uniform from 19 years ago, one that if it weren't for Reebok's horrible vision for hockey, would likely have remained intact until at least the end of 2020, because I think it looks good. Period. I don't heap praise on it because it's old or call it "timeless." You are entitled to your opinion. What irritates me is how you act like anyone who disagrees is engaging in some sort of sacrilege or that there's only one right answer. There are many legitimate reasons why people can criticize the retros and there are also plenty of legitimate reasons why people can prefer the 2004-07 look. And I'm far from the only person on these boards who does. Pardon the pun but things are not as black and white as that. There are cases where adding black is completely unnecessary band-wagon jumping (See the Mets) and there are cases where it can improve a teams colour palette. I'm willing to wager the majority of people on here prefer the Devil's championship winning look to their original red and greens. I'm not one of those people but I'm not going to call it BFBS, bandwagon jumping because of my personal preference.

Why is it timeless? Because it's from the 80's? Because it doesn't have black? Because it aped the Blue's almost stripe for stripe? The idea that a team named after fire can't use black is ridiculous. And just because the stupid term "Black for Black's Sake" was coined, doesn't mean every team that adds it is following a trend.

If that were the case, then every new design would automatically become a best seller. Sabres fans would have bought anything that remotely resembled their original scheme after 10 years of black and red so that's hardly a fair comparison. The Ducks new uniforms also debuted that year and not even a Stanley cup championship could make them a best seller. Adding black absolutely moved the brand forward because it gave the uniforms something they've never had: proper contrast. A uniform that pairs two overtly bright colours with multiple examples of white and yellow bleeding together is a poorly thought design. Especially when this issue of colour-bleed gets in the way of the set having a cohesive striping configuration. There were lots of examples of Black for Black's sake in the 90's. The Flames were not one them. After going too far out with the pedestal and Blasty designs, they finally utilized the addition of black properly in 2003. If they weren't replacing the black, blasty uniform, they'd be replacing the red pedestal so I'm sure it would have been a popular and beloved upgrade either way. Spin it how you want, I was in Calgary when the uniform debuted and people loved it. Clean without black or clean without the side panels, intersecting hem-piping, mismatched socks and clash-patches? The 2004-07 set was a perfectly clean design. Not everything from the 80's is automatically timeless. The Flames retros are mismatched, overtly bright and gaudy.

Black was the secondary colour on the whites, from 3 years prior, so the emphasis on the home reds was perfectly logical. They could have gone with white but chose to look forward and it worked spectacularly. I don't think you can call a jersey that became the leagues best seller upon debuting overrated. Yeah, success had a lot to do with it but not every cup finalist automatically gets the best selling jersey without a damn good design. I've lived in Calgary my whole life and I've never seen a Flames uniform embraced in the way those home reds were. They were flying off the shelves even before they won a series and you would regularly hear people, even non sports-aesthetic enthusiasts, talk about how nice they were. A uniform that would have never changed if it weren't for Reebok destroying half the leagues aesthetics with their ill-advised edge template. Would there even be a demand for the retros without the switch the to flag clown-suits?

How? The Hierarchy is the same on both jerseys. Red is dominant, black is secondary and yellow is tertiary. Black is the clear secondary colour on the road whites regardless of the pants. The black stripes are thicker than the yellow ones and you can't count white as a team colour. Every team in the league has a road white.

The Flames retros have to be one of the most overrated designs in the history of the league... The absence of black makes the colours overtly garish with little-to-no contrast and there's nothing unique or special about the generic, mismatched striping that should have been left in Atlanta. Without the 89 cup win and bastardization of the 2004 set by Reebok, there would be little reason to hold onto such a dated, poorly thought-out uniform.

Not only is this the best Flames jersey but it's also one of the best looking uniforms in the history of the league. Not a single concept that attempts to merge black trim with the retro template is an improvement over this.

Couldn't disagree more. Both of those teams are rare examples of black exponentially improving an identity... The Flames for the obvious contrast problems that come from pairing two bright-colours and the North Stars because the 88-91 set just looked so damn good.

They're a hockey team with a fire-based namesake. The jersey doesn't need to be a literal depiction of fire. The Flames best look was from 2003 to 2007. What they have now has serious contrast issues, especially on the home reds.

If that is indeed their full-time alternate, the Sabres never need to change anything again. The blue and gold jerseys are (pretty much) perfect and they don't need a lesser version for an alternate (See the Islanders). I'm glad the uniform they had (arguably) the most success in isn't going to be forgotten completely... Blue and gold full-time, black & Red on select games. Perfect.

Is that Stars jersey perfect? No. But it represents the pinnacle of the franchise and is light years ahead of the fluorescent dog's dinner they use for an alternate now...

That chevron template is so beautiful you wonder why it ever went away. Perfect middle-ground between traditional and 90's aesthetics.

If only they'd won their 2009 and 2016 championships in this beauty... It's a travesty they were won in the garbage that replaced it.

I was really hoping that some of last years Reverse Retro's would be promoted to full-time, alternate status.... While there were a few duds, I find the overall quality of them to be significantly higher than the leagues current-crop of third jerseys. A lot of teams knocked it out of the park... Arizona Boston Nashville New Jersey (this jersey is so superior to the alternate they just released) New York Philadelphia Tampa Bay Vegas

IMO, that is the best looking jersey they've ever had. I wish they'd just reversed it on the road...

I think it's a vastly superior logo, particularly in how the penguin is illustrated, with a cleverly executed reference to the three rivers. It only gets the derision it does because it had the unfortunate timing of replacing a logo with back-to-back championships immediately after they were won... Had it come out on an alternate uniform, I don't think it would face the same backlash, if any.

Seconded. When more time and attention is put into shoehorning-in references than something as fundamental as an original striping-configuration, you have a serious problem in the design process...

The Stars already had the perfect skyline reference jersey... The connection is certainly there, it just doesn't happen to be a very good looking uniform.

The Lightning's Reverse Retro? Perfection. It's exactly what the team should have done in 2007 with a matching road. No further changes would have been necessary ever again.

At least the Fisherman looks like some thought and effort was put into it... All New Jersey did was put a lame script on an existing jersey that copied the Blackhawks whole-sale. The Newark Bulldogs played one 40 game season, in a minor-league, 54 years before the Devils existed. The River Vale Skeeters would also copy this Blackhawk's design a decade later... This uniform isn't New Jerseys roots, it's Chicago's... And if there was ever a team that didn't need an alternate logo, it's the Devils.