They can both be construed as bull crimes. It just depends on who you ask and how much they care about either one. Technically, though, they are both crimes. We've been over this, I would hope it's sunk in by now. But based on your track record, I'm not going to hold my breath. And you don't need to end every post with "amirite?" P.S. Let the record show that charjerk77 brought the crime of speeding into the conversation this time. Maybe he's finally acknowledging that it's a crime. Clever.