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I’ll remember that the next time we get 3 pages of a random topic because of a tweet or Reddit post.

The reason the topic resurfaced. Not just a random threadjacking.

Natives. Originals. Americans. All would have been better than Commanders.

“Commanders” is weak, indeed very generic. There’s also no mascot, no imagery, and the colors don’t align at all. Maybe if the Patriots and Texans weren’t a thing and they could’ve used Navy/Red/Grey/White, or even changed to Olive Green & Tan, and used some actual military figure imagery or mascot, it’d work, but as it stands, it’s very stupid.

And, if "Warriors" is too violent or offensive still, they've already got some wording in-house that would also work very well: https://www.commanders.com/team/history/

To add to my post above, I believe the best solution to all is to rename the team the "Washington Warriors". And yes, they should go back to Native American imagery. They should represent Native American culture in a positive light. They should offer Native American benefits, or even minority ownership. They should use their stage to highlight Native American history and teach it to today's generation and beyond, in a respectful manner. This can help heal the wounds on both sides: those of Native American ancestry who were hurt by the logo or name, and those who loved it because it was just their team, and therefore miss it. They can even salvage some things from their past, like the '65-69 uniforms, as a Throwback alternate. "Representation" is such a buzz word used by some today; this is a way that it could be used for good. Put original Americans on the national stage, where they belong.

RE: Commanders Rebrand Washington Post writer lobbies Harris group to move on from Snyder legacy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/05/04/washington-commanders-name-josh-harris/ Radio host agrees: https://www.audacy.com/thefandc/sports/washington-commanders/danny-rouhiers-impassioned-plea-for-a-commanders-re-brand?utm_campaign=www.audacy.com%2Fthefandc&utm_content=1683333140&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=WJFK-FM Will this gain momentum? Harris has the money and the NFL would get to sell all new merch again. Personally, seems like a no-brainer to me, as long as they get it right.

Guy on Reddit told me it's going to be Oil Black, Texas Orange, and Houston County Copper, since Arizona bailed on Copper at the last minute. They, too, plan on putting Copper watches in their teaser videos. Just teasing @TruColor

I miss the lighter Oranger more, but miss the lighter Brown, also.

Another really good point. I feel stupid for not thinking of it. Yes, teams do not have screen print facilities in their equipment rooms. Sewing machines? Yes.

Nike already offers both of these at the high school/youth level. The reason that professional and college programs don't use them are numerous: 1. To sublimate, you start with White fabric, which is then dyed via the sublimation process. Color matching is not perfect, nor is saturation, especially when the fabric is stretched, and the fabric tends to have a sheen to it. It might seem neat, but in practice, it looks like crap and it looks and feels cheap. 2. Screen printing is laborious and requires more manual attention, even when printing with the highest of high-tech automatics. There are more steps and more risk. It's also not as durable (even though these teams wear new jerseys every week), but most of all, doesn't look as high-quality. The lightweight stretch twill Nike uses now is as light as the fabric on the jersey, which is very light. Screen printing is moderately heavy when screen printing for uniforms and also blocks all breathability of the fabric. Depending on the ink, it can stretch, but it's not going to hold up. I believe when Nike does screen printed numbers on jerseys now, for Oregon, for example, they're printing with silicone inks on top of stretch twill, then stitching the number on. In short, it could be done, but the lightweight stretch twill they use now is just as good, if not better, in most ways than sublimating or screen printing.

The Team Catalog version of the Vapor Untouchable was the Vapor Untouchable Pro; the Vapor Pro was the step down, which looked just like the Untouchable, but didn't use their college/NFL level fabrics, which made it more affordable.

Ehhh, is it though? The uniform has no other indication about which team it is, other than the little logo on the back neck that no one sees. The overreaction to the wordmark tucked into the sleeve stripes is really silly to me; you guys don’t want a team name on front, you don’t want a team name on the sleeves, you don’t like the team logo on the back neck, but these are still “BLANK. EMPTY. BORING.” I think it would be refreshing if most of you just admitted that no matter what Nike or any team does, it’ll never be good enough.

I wish every team stayed with the Vapor Untouchable template, but given only the choice of the 2 new templates, I would have thought that most of the teams would've opted for the horizontal seam option. Killed me seeing that Kelce jersey with the V-shape seams, just looks stupid. You should never notice designs elements of a uniform over team elements.

Saw the new Vapor Fuse template on a Travis Kelce replica jersey at the Arrowhead Stadium Pro Shop this past weekend. Hate it.

The numbers, maybe, but never heard of Nike using HTV for sleeve stripes. Wouldn’t be surprised, just haven’t heard of it.

That’s a screen print application on the jersey numbers and sleeve stripes, and possibly on the pant stripe, too. Imagine, for a second, how breathable a 100% screen print coated jersey would be. Sorry, these options are not comparable. There is a reason Nike, UA, adidas, etc are using these fabrics. I don’t know them 1000%, but from selling them for nearly 8 years, I can tell you they are far more breathable, much, much lighter, retain their shape, and have great stretch, while also maintaining durability. It’s really a night & day difference from the old dazzle/mesh fabrications. Sorry it’s not shiny, though.

Are you referring to the metallic trim? I would be very hesitant to say you could use this same fabric for a football jersey that needs to be tight, breathable, and stretchy.

Look, some of the hate for Nike is warranted, but show me another uniform manufacturer, in any sport, that is still using dazzle fabric.

I'm glad you gave me permission to think whatever I want. I think it's trash.

Not only that, it's just not a respectful representation of any professional sports team, let alone an NFL team, and one named the Texans.

About what percentage of Houstonians or Texans do you think would be accurately represented by lowriding urban culture?

Thank you. Being here in KC this weekend, the people are all extremely nice, which is what I expected out of the midwest, but I didn't realize smoking weed was legal here, and it's so ungodly obnoxious smelling everywhere. I suppose that's part of the urban culture, too, but like custom low riders, I don't think that's something you brand a professional sports team after. Be better, Houston.

It was just an Arrowhead. If that offends you, the art is not a problem.

Works best over Navy, for sure.