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Kinda hate it. The old pinwheel logo with all of the schools’ colors is clever and I though it looked great at mid court.

Your logo still has one of the same major problems as the current Sea Dragons logo for me. The tail feels stubby, I don’t like the way it kinda jus stops. I think it could stand to be more tapered and a bit longer.

the rest is pretty good. Love the teal and the navy helmet.

Yeah neither version of the Seattle (Sea) Dragons have gotten the helmet right. Navy would be a batter helmet color, IMO.  Put me in the original logo camp, too. The new S dragon is stubby. Logo aside, the color hierarchy is wrong for me, too much orange. I’d go with navy/green on relatively equal footing with some splashes of orange. 

57 minutes ago, WSU151 said:

 

So many colleges have great team names though and are strongly associated with the school

 

Longhorns

Beavers

Sun Devils

Lobos

Volunteers

Nittany Lions

Wolverines

Badgers

Buckeyes

Tar Heels

Blue Devils

Demon Deacons

Seminoles

Yellow Jackets

Jayhawks

Hoosiers

Hawkeyes

Cornhuskers

Golden Gophers

Terrapins

Scarlet Knights (and kudos to the Big 10 for arguably the most unique set of team names) 

 

And a number of these schools have hand gestures connected to the mascot. Easier to throw up a "Hook 'em Horns" gesture than a "Here are my two hands awkwardly trying to make a UT" 

Sure, there are great nicknames out there. I wouldn’t want to get rid of any of these names necessarily because that’s a great list. The point I was trying to make is that in college, the colors generally come first, then the nickname, usually a long time ago when the schools first started hosting sports, they came about organically from the student body itself or a radio announcer or a sportswriter of the time and they stuck because there’s a cool story.  Illinois is the Fighting Illini because Memorial Stadium was built to honor “the Fighting Illini” alumni and students who died in WWI. I guess the point I was trying to make was that, now, when a school tries to come up with a new nickname it’s corporate-y and contrived and maybe they’d be better off,  in GWU’s case, just being George Washington University whose colors are blue and gold. 

It’s gotta be Generals or Continentals right? Why aren’t those even on the list?That list of names looks like the options for a minor league baseball team in New Hampshire. 
 

Here’s my little stump speech: Colleges and universities really don’t need nicknames for their athletics teams, IMO. We are much more tied to the colors and university than the nickname. People will say “I’m a cowboys fan or a Yankees fan”, but more often than not when we are talking about college it’s “I’m an Illinois fan or “Go USC!” There are exceptions, of course,  but I don’t think it would be that weird if college athletics didn’t have official nicknames. 

Oooh this is fun. I’ll play. My alma mater, the South Fulton Rebels mainly use recolored 49ers and UNLV logos. In the past the baseball team has used the SF giants cap logo as well. The unique thing about South Fulton is the purple/green color scheme.

(Not our stadium, that’s Western Illinois University’s turf. We played on a glorified cow pasture)

Forgot about this one:

I hate it and I think it’s a riddell clip art logo.

This is the UNLV logo used mostly, it’s on one of the basketball floors, recolored in purple/green obviously:

12 hours ago, Rockstar Matt said:

 

We have stop saying this. It was unquestionably a hold.

 

 

 

Is it ticky tacky? Very much so. Were the refs generally letting them play throughout the game? Yes. Was it a hold? Definitively, yes. The first one clearly shows a jersey pull. He even held him twice on the play. Additionally, Bradberry himself said it was a hold. That should be the end of it. 

 

 

I have many complaints of defensive holding calls, especially when the holding is away from the play or that it's an automatic first down penalty, but a defensive holding is defensive holding. It's one of the more clear cut rules that the NFL has in terms of how it's defined. Defenders cannot grab and pull/hold onto receiving targets, no matter where they are on the field or if the QB even throws a pass (even in the backfield or on the LOS). I'd even wager that if Bradberry doesn't hold JuJu on this play, this is probably a TD. He would have been wide, wide open. JuJu beat him instantly off the line.

Okay, by the letter of the law, he held him. I’ll give you that, but it had not been called like that all game. Bradberry said that too. My biggest issue with the call is the inconsistency there. We all want the last minute to be officiated like the first 59 right? In this game, that call would not have been made in the first minute so I don’t think it’s right to change the rules on the defense, who is already at a huge disadvantage, in the last minute. If the officials had been calling ticky tacky holding calls all game, maybe the defender doesn’t put his hands on the receiver there. You won’t convince me it’s not a bad call in that situation and a bad look for the officiating. Also, what’s Bradberry supposed to say when a reporter asks that question? He doesn’t want to make it about him or get fined. He was being a good boy and a good teammate. That call did not lose the game for the Eagles, but it effectively ended the game and it was a bad call.

7 hours ago, Rockstar Matt said:

 

We have to stop acting like this was the worse call we've ever seen in the Super Bowl. It was a penalty, albeit an incredibly lame penalty, but Bradberry definitely grabbed Juju twice. The refs were probably looking at him more intently because of the missed holding penalties they didn't call on him earlier in the game. It was a tough call but we've seen worse.

 

EDIT: I feel the need to add that the Eagles had a 10-point lead at halftime, only allowing 1 offensive TD to the Chiefs in the first half, but they couldn't stop the Chiefs from scoring in the 2nd half. They gave up 3 straight TD's and obviously the FG at the end. Can't blame the refs for one call when the defense couldn't stop Mahomes and the Chiefs even once when it mattered.

Look, the whole game unfolded the way it did up to that point. The Eagles dominated the first half of the game and the Chiefs dominated the second half for the most part. The Eagles had a chance to stop them and hold them to a field goal and the officials took matters in to their own hands there. Sure the Eagles defender had his hands on him but he never held the receiver. Not to mention it all occurred before the pass was thrown and near the line of scrimmage. I know that doesn’t preclude defensive holding but there was really nothing there. He didn’t make the call until after Mahomes threw a hissy fit and the ball landed way out of reach of the Chiefs receiver anyway. To my eye, it was a good defensive play. Who, in their right mind, has so much confidence in what we all saw there to make that call, to put the game out of reach for the Eagles, for that? How was there no doubt in that official’s mind that there was defensive holding on that play? That’s insane. That was literally the only defensive holding call made all game. It wasn’t like he stretched his jersey or hooked his arm. This wasn’t like the late hit that set up the field goal in the AFC championship. It was a weak-assed, bad call that almost literally gave the game to the Chiefs in that moment. A 5 yard penalty shouldn’t be an auto first down anyway. That has always burned my ass. The moment was too big for that official and he blew that call which lead to the chiefs running down the clock and winning the game with a chip shot field goal. 

That was a horse:censored: holding call. This is coming from a Cowboys fan who would have rather an asteroid landed at midfield and vaporized both teams, than see the either one win. Say whatever you’d like but it flat out handed the game to the Chiefs.

My God, uniform ads are just absolutely disgusting. Is that really the best way to generate that ad revenue? Can’t we just put more crap on the walls or something? Hell, I’d be for more ads on the field if it meant the uniforms remained ad free (minus the makers mark). 

The United States WBC uniforms are so bad. They definitely look like 2003 and in this case, 20 years of service does not make them classics by any stretch. There’s way too much going on. The US needs a simple, classic baseball uniform that never has to be updated to keep up with the times. You’d at least think they’d have changed by now to sell some more merch. I’d go for a classic block USA monogram on the cap. Something Dodgers-esque with navy and red might be a cool look. Anything classic looking would be better than the dreadful crap they’re currently wearing

Can’t say I’m a big fan of the red helmet for the Texans. That’s not to say I wouldn’t be in favor of them using more red. I wouldn’t be disappointed if the red jersey  was promoted to primary, but the think the navy helmet is better for them.

I kinda like it? Hopefully the the pants are blue. Those hats are a bit much, though.

1 hour ago, MJWalker45 said:

If the Titans had kept the old Oilers look, while using their current designs I think the fan base would have less to talk about. But since the Titans are a predominantly navy blue team now, Houston fans stuck in nostalgia want the Texans to take the colors. I'd almost rather they go the city of Pittsburgh route and copy the Astros than try to look like a revamped Oilers team. And just to be clear, I don't want that. But now I may just have to mockup a design based on it. 

I guess I just don’t understand that line of thinking regarding wanting the old color scheme back. It’s a fine color scheme but it sure isn’t the hill I would die on. I know this comparison isn’t quite apples to apples, but if a new team came to San Diego, it would be ridiculous for San Diegoans? to be clamoring for powder blue and yellow. Wouldn’t you want something totally different from the team that up and left Houston 30 years ago. The Titans are the Oilers and that history belongs to them. The Texans have been around for 20 years now and have their own distinct brand. Why muddy that pretending to be another franchise that still kinda, sorta exists. I agree with you about the Pittsburgh thing, that would be preferable, not that I’d actually want that either.

45 minutes ago, HopewellJones said:

Powder/Red is simply a better color scheme than Navy/Red. Don't care about history. 

For the Oilers/Titans, sure. For the Texans dark blue/red makes more sense, given the tie in to the Texas flag.

The Texans are going to eff up their uniforms soooo hard. What they wear now is a very solid uniform with a great logo. I’ll never understand the powder blue/red circle jerk. THEY ARE NOT THE OILERS!!! The worst thing is that once they change, they will probably never go back.

Literally the only thing I would change about their uniforms would be the pants stripe:

white w/red tapered stripe(for the blue jerseys)

white w/blue tapered stripe (for red and white jerseys)

blue w/red tapered stripe (all three jerseys really)

*and they always need to wear red socks with blue pants.

I can’t say TCU necessarily looks bad but they would look much better in purple helmets/pants.

Wrong thread. My bad

I thought the Dobbs play could  have gone either way really. Without a real dog in the fight I wasn’t too worked up by the fumble call, although I’m sure Titans fans would disagree. I think whatever was called on the field was gonna stand regardless of whether it was called an incomplete pass or fumble. 

1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

 

The Jags are better than people think and the Texans played the Chiefs tough too. I wouldn't write off the Cowboys just yet.

I know, the Jags are competitive  and I’m  just being hyperbolic but the Cowboys were winning 27-10. They should have put them away and they didn’t. I’m a 28 year old Cowboys fan who’s only ever see them trip over their own dicks and lose games they have no business losing.

Just when I thought he Cowboys were actually putting something together they barely escape the Texans and fall on their face agains the Jags. They never fail to disappoint me.

In spite of my better judgement I do like Seattle’s green over blue look, definitely needs green socks. On a related note, they really should change the gray stripe on the logo to green.

on an unrelated note, the turf in Seattle is a weird color, if I didn’t know better, I might think it was gray.

No thanks. Gray>brown>white. White just feels very collegiate or amateur to me.

Doesn’t Kansas State even wear the same silver-blue helmets as the Cowboys? Maybe I’m just manifesting that because it’s literally the perfect Cowboys uniform, but it’s purple

:censored:ing gross

Let me drop my two cents in on the endzone fumble topic. I don’t have any issue with the current rule, but if we had to change it here is my proposal:

In the event of a fumble lost out of bounds in the end zone, give the ball back to the offense, but at the 20yd line with the goal to go. That way the offense retains possession but they’re penalized significantly. Again, I don’t necessarily think this is broken but maybe that’s the way to “fix” it.

edit:didn’t read all the way back through @PERRIN’s post, where this is already mentioned. The only difference in my proposal would the the goal to go