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5 minutes ago, sayahh said:

 

Have they used magenta yet?  What about silver or gray?  Also, were the Miami Vice uniforms considered magenta?  

Yes, silver was a trim color on the double-blues, mostly used as outlines for the word marks and numbers on the road and alternate:

Norwich’s new crest is excellent. It’s very clean and fixes all of the little problems the old had. Really, really well done.

The wordmark and numbers literally look like a manufacturing mistake. They’re massive! You could see those things from space! Man alive!

21 minutes ago, pepis21 said:

Let me guess. They noticed that rebrand got backlash from fans so they panically asked NBA if they can use 19/20 throwback once again (I bet they have many blank leftovers in storage)? Of course like I said in one post there is a 25th anniversary of first Conference Champions but @Conrad. you should know if this uni was planned or not.

I’m curious about that too, because the throwbacks have just the swoosh and not the NIKE+swoosh like this years’ classic editions are supposed to have. Definitely seems on the surface like old stock rather than a “new” classic edition. 
 

On that subject, I’m not clear if these are categorized as city edition or classic edition this year. The official release seems to kind of dodge that.

6 minutes ago, gosioux76 said:

Question for those Jazz fans or anyone else more in the know: Are those purple mountain throwbacks super popular? 

 

I mean, I'm glad they went with some sort of throwback, but I'm a little disappointed it isn't the more simple Maravich/early Karl Malone/Frank Layden-era Jazz unis, which I prefer. 

I won’t speak for every Jazz fan, but I will say that 1) I grew up with these uniforms, so I’m extremely nostalgic for them and know many other Jazz fans my age who are too, 2) when they wore it a couple of years ago, I saw just as much mountain gear worn around Utah as redrock gear (which was a lot), and 3) it’s thier “glory years” uniform, so there’s a lot of fond memories with it.

Granted, there are a few fans out there who don’t like it, but from what I observe, it’s a pretty popular uniform. Especially with my age group (late 20’s/early 30’s).

https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-relaunch-brand-with-new-uniforms-courts-and-merchandise
 

From the official release:

“The white and black uniforms symbolize the white and black keys on a piano, a significant element in the history of Jazz music.”

Well, okay. But then this nugget:

“The yellow jersey represents the spotlight designated to the greatest performers in history, a nod to the fact that Utah embraces being in the spotlight with all eyes watching.”

That’s officially the dumbest justification for a color I’ve ever heard. 

3 minutes ago, Digby said:

 

The attempt at "reframing" the entire rebrand around the throwback instead of the core three rebrand jerseys is just... so laughably obvious that I feel sorry for the marketing department.

I think that’s what I’m getting the biggest kick out of. They’ve got to be aware of how obvious thier mea culpa was, right?
 

In a way it almost feels like a really weird victory in that better branding, while still not being the primary, prevailed anyways by being pushed more than the rebrand itself. It’s no doubt embarrassing, and the black/yellow isn’t going away, but from a purple fan’s standpoint I’m kind of enjoying that and feel like purple had the last laugh here.

I honestly did not expect the purple throwbacks as-is, thought it’d just be a re-tooled version for the city edition. That’s really cool! The new classic court is lacking in comparison to the original, but I can live with it.
 

Also very intrigued that they went ahead and released next year’s city edition AND classic edition (old Pistol Pete purples), as well as committing to a purple alternate of some kind indefinitely. I didn’t expect all of that either. These two color schemes are really going to co-exist as long as Ryan Smith can help it, so….I guess he wasn’t wrong when he said purple was here to stay? 
 

That being said, the core brand is…not great. The uniforms just seem so generic (the shorts didn’t end up saving the jerseys, nor did the faint blue-grey stripes on the sides) and the color scheme just doesn’t look right for the Jazz. It looks great on the Columbus Crew and Borussia Dortmund, but it just doesn’t look right on us. I’ve blasted these so much in the last couple of months that I really don’t have much else to say than what I’ve already said. 
 

Anyways, looking forwards to the purple games and merch every year! Aaaand, well, that’s about it. I guess a silver lining here is they did get me excited over 25% of the brand, which is better than none of it.

57 minutes ago, projectjohn said:

Probably some NikeSpeak about the beehive state, I'm guessing.

Yeah, this is 100% what I’m expecting. 

Should I be concerned that I’ve drawn two Gob Bluth/Ryan Smith parallels in one day?

10 minutes ago, CaliforniaGlowin said:

Purple and light blue with an occasional black and neon yellow?  I'm down with that!

 

Is there a requirement on how many games each uniform is worn?  Maybe can do mostly purple with only a few black and yellow games?

The problem with that is, they may as well have been a purple primary team and not even entertained black/yellow at that point. It looks really bad on them to do a full-on rebrand, then basically dump it wherever and whenever they can out of the gate. I imagine the team is going to have to strike a more delicate balance than that to at least make thier efforts worth it. 
 

Dont get me wrong, I’d gladly take purple full-time over the black/yellow (and I am pleased to see more purple now), but this is a pretty bad hole they’ve dug themselves into with this rebrand. Pushing purple as a possible damage control failsafe looks like a pretty big mea culpa to me. If that’s true, then they’re going to have to ride this out until they can rebrand again. Even more hilarious now when I remember how emphatic Smith was about fixing the Jazz brand confusion, and now he may have just cratered it. 
 

Basically, Ryan Smith just Gob’ed this up.

I could’ve swallowed the Saints helmet a bit easier if it had white/gold/white traditional stripes, but that Seahawks wannabe thing they’re going with down the middle is awful. I don’t have many words for that.

The plot thickens…

I’m as stoked as anyone about a purple note (and the supposed purple mountain court inside), but between the black/yellow leaks and now purple looking more and more prominent, this is starting to look really disjointed and odd.
 

The only theory I have is this: black/yellow leaks were so unpopular that they felt like they needed to overhype the supposed purple city edition as a peace offering of sorts during the rebrand reveal. The black/yellow stuff is likely going to get blasted, so maybe they figure they can soften the blow this way. 
 

Again, that’s just theory, but I don’t know why else you’d prominently feature a color at the arena that isn’t even a primary color of your new rebrand.

47 minutes ago, guest23 said:

 

How many chips have the lakers won with essentially the same forum blue and gold identity??? Utah hasn't won anything ever and doesn't even want to use the identity as intended. Time to give it back and become 'rockzz.

Hey now, they’ve won games sometimes!

4 minutes ago, DJT said:

Not quite. The white leak has gray/black stripes on the sides. Those could be peaks. 

It’s certainly possible. I personally think that’s a just tapered stripe and not a peak (nor part of a peak), but I could be wrong. We’ll have to see when everything is released.

8 minutes ago, pelicanfan said:

gonna leave this here to see if this leak page ends up being right. 

Well unless this is the city uniform it’s referring to, the only place the peaks would be, given the leaks we have seen, is on the shorts. That’d be a double edged sword, as it’d be a nice homage to Stockton/Malone but Denver’s already beat us back to having peaks on the shorts (even if we had them first). Bad timing to bring them back now, unfortunately.
 

I guess the silver lining here (if this turns out to be true) is that the uniform won’t be as plain as the jerseys would suggest. To be clear though, peaks wouldn’t save this thing. Everything else is still wretched.

1 hour ago, Haz_Matt said:

They posted a video with Clarkson getting a sneak peak and all he says is "wow" "that's nuts" "this is crazy" all of which can be taken as bad reactionary statements

The Jazz are interviewing 14(!) candidates for Head Coach.
 

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jazz-coaching-search-jason-terry-frank-vogel-among-long-list-of-candidates-to-be-interviewed-per-report/amp/

That seems like a lot; I’d have to imagine they’ve really got no more than five serious candidates, but who knows. If they really are just casting a wide net and they get the right guy, then cool.

I think I’m leaning towards Johnnie Bryant - him supposedly being the “Donovan Mitchell whisperer” is a big plus (as long as Donovan doesn’t request an exit-stage-right first) and he’s supposedly a great player’s coach/chemistry guy - but I’m also pretty intrigued by Terry Stotts. It’d depend on how the roster looks next season, but I’d at the very least be curious to see how he’d fare with another shot.

I’m a little less excited about Frank Vogel, but I also wouldn’t mind him at all either. He does have a ring as a head coach, which none of the other candidates can say, so there’s that!

I hoped when there were initial rumblings of the Nike logo getting placed on uniforms a few years back that it would go over the back name of the jersey and the logoman/finals patch could go back on the chest. It’ll never happen, but I still think it’s the most ideal option for Nike + logoman co-existing on the uniform. Conrad’s mock-ups remind me of how much the logoman belongs on the chest.

I always find that basketball is the hardest major sport for me to rank a top ten for. There may be 15-20 players who have a legitimate argument to be a top 10 player, and you almost have to deliberately try to make a bad list. Basketball’s just been extremely fortunate to have as many legends play the game as they have.
 

Regarding Curry, he’s one of those borderliners for me where I can absolutely see an argument for him being top 10 or fall into top 15. He’s basketball’s Stan Musial for me; he could be 11-15 on one list because of logjam at the top, or he could be like 7-10 on another list, and neither seem terribly wrong to me. And frankly, that’s still an exceptionally great spot to be in on an all-time list. Nothing bad about that at all.
 

I feel like the Clippers really need to own the large abstract sails on the uniform, they look really cool. They’ve never really had a “thing” that was theirs aside from nautical flags in the San Diego days, and the large uniform sails are a thing they could own really well.
 

This was the best uniform they’ve ever had, in my opinion.

They could do a full set based on exactly this or something like the leaked 2023 statement in powder, orange, and the primary wordmark (not the GTA one), and they’d be set for life.

1 hour ago, truepg said:

 

Even though I'm not indifferent towards this uniform, it feels weird and premature to have it as a Classic edition already when it was still their main look up till ten years ago.

I may be misremembering, but I think it’s the 25th anniversary of the name change this coming season, so I think(?) it’s in honor of that. I totally get your point, but if that’s thier reasoning, then I’m cool with it. 

40 minutes ago, SSmith48 said:

Also, the new 4th of July holiday caps just leaked, and holy cow maybe we can just start settling for a patch or something each year. These should never see the field. I'm usually ok with whatever they release for holidays, but these aren't it.

 

So the old NE Revolution logo found new employment as a hat?

Yikes that’s bad. These are hats I can hear, and I hear Toby Keith. 

38 minutes ago, Haz_Matt said:

I never said I wasn't going to still be a fan. I said I was going to save money not buying gear and depending on what happens with the team not go to games.

 

I am however, not a fan of Ryan Smith or his way of ruining/running the team

Thats pretty much where I’m at. My fanship for the Jazz is never going away, but my excitement for and hope in this team has dropped significantly. And it’s a combination of multiple things: chronic and severe underachievement, ownership and management that gets more questionable by the day, the likelihood of next year’s team either underachieving again or being really, really bad if they firesale (not sure which is worse or better, honestly), and a tone-deaf rebrand that’s almost hilariously bad. All of this leaves me feeling almost embarrassed to be a fan right now. 
 

Does that mean I’ll stop being a fan? Nope, never. I’m with the Jazz for life. But what I am stopping is allowing myself to get excited or have high expectations for this franchise until I see a tide turn, when and if that happens. I guess one positive I can glean from the franchise’s mess right now is that I could watch or go to games and just enjoy being there without having any expectations whatsoever, which is a stark contrast from expecting too much and getting let down too often every year.

Late to the Angels City Connect party, but I think overall it’s pretty good. One of the better ones in the program for sure. The only thing that’s holding me up is the diamond + numbers on the front of the jersey, it just looks sort of tacked on and cluttered there. I know the diamond is supposedly referencing Jack’s surfboards and the homage fits the theme, but I’d have rather them used it for the sleeve patch than on the front of the jersey. I think it would’ve been a little cleaner that way.

Overall though? Still pretty good. I think I’d even have it in my top 3 with Miami and Kansas City.

4 hours ago, DJT said:

If you look closely on the right side of jersey, the powder blue-gray whatever stripe looks like it’s tapered and ends at a point. Could be similar to the stripes on the outgoing uniform, could be different too. Either way, not good so far.
 

Reception to the leaks here, so far as I’ve heard and seen, has been overwhelmingly negative. The team itself being an absolute mess right now isn’t helping matters either, it’s just bad compounding on bad. I hope Smith and Wade are already planning for the next rebrand, because I think this one’s going to be shot to pieces the moment it lands (if it hasn’t been, already).