Miami-Fla. throwback concept

[IceCap]

It's a piece of red cloth with little white stars and blue stripes...

the nazi flag is just a peice of red cloth with a white disk and a black addition symbol doing cartweels. i shouldn't be offended right?

[winghaz]

Spearhead, I appreciate your kind words despite our disagreement.

I asked you not to call me a Yankee because, well, I'm not. But I was called a Yankee back in the '80s by someone from Oklahoma because I predicted Southern Cal would be national champ in football instead of Oklahoma. So there are some folks from the South (even Oklahoma) who call anyone from the North a Yankee, and North Dakota is pretty darn far north.

Now, regarding our disagreement, you and I will just have to agree to disagree. I don't see any comparison between the Colonies and the Confederacy, although Benjamim Franklin himself admitted that what they did would be considered treasonous to the British crown.

But, as I said, the Southern states signed the Constitution. The Colonies had nothing to sign -- they truly were taxed without representation. The South was represented in Congress (and sometimes even the presidency).

Now, if you want to complain about a tyrrany of the majority (as Jefferson warned against happening), then you and I would be in total agreement. The pre-Civil War years weren't the first time there was a tyrrany of the majority in the U.S. and they sure weren't the last time, either. And it's something we as Americans have to be on guard against all the time.

As for your flag logo -- I do strongly suggest you use your state's flag, instead. Like I pointed out, the states came first in the Confederacy and their confederacy came second. Plus, the Confederate battle flag is offensive to some, so this is an easy way out.

By the way, as you can tell, I do enjoy debating American history. And I think it's always healthy to debate it. So thank you, from your friend up here in North Dakota, for giving me a formate for such debate.

[gueman]

Ok everybody...take a deep breath. This is a site about SPORTS LOGO CONCEPTS. While the discussions have been enlightening you really should have taken it to another board. As for my 2 cents it is funny how the people who want tolerance are intolerant of ideas they dislike. Anyway the look is unique I don't recall ever seeing triangular shaped arm bands before. But then again Miami's football was God awful until Howard Schnellenburger came on the seen in 1979(?) so who would have seen the unis before then.

[pcgd]

Anyone is free to fly whatever flags they want. I just always found it odd that it was that symbol that southerns ralied behind. I support anyone's right to put a confederate flag or a nazi flag or whatever they want to. I'm not going to be offended until someone puts my face with a big X on it or something. The sad thing there is racism in the world today. Both ways. But to me, flying the confederate flag anywhere but at a civil war cemetary isn't helping. That's my opinion. feel free to disgaurd it.

The Civil War did not begin because of slavery. But by the end of it, it became a war on slavery. If I remember right, Lincoln made the Amancipation proclamation to turn the focus of the war onto slavery in order to garner more support for a largely unpopular war. (sound familar?)

The war was about "state rights" but those state rights revolved around the new states being free or slave states. The southern states could say all they want that it was about State Rights, but to me it was about slavery. Without slavery the largest cash crop in the country (and south) at the time (cotton) would crumble. The south wanted to make sure each state had its right to vote on slavery.

Its true, Lincoln and the north couldn't live without the southern states. And that was largely the reason for Lincoln going to war. (yes I know the south fired the first shot, but both sides equally could have prevented the war in the first place) The ports were there. The cotton was there. But the South needed the north as well. The civil war was won by the north when supply lines were cut off to the south. If the states were divided, neither country would have survived. There's a chance eventually there would be an agreement between the two, but would it have been before each country crumbled? I don't think we wouldn't live in the Confederate States of America or the United States of America today if the south would have won. And had the Confederate States survived til today, there is no way there would be slavery still.

Anyway, fly on dude. I disagree with it, I feel the popular opinion throughout the country is that it stands for racism, but I fully support your right to fly it for whatever reason you wish. Its what's great about our country.

[pcgd]

Swastikas are a religious symbol in Eastern cultures. Doesn't mean someone sporting one in the west isn't going to be questioned.

pcdg: If you go around Washington D.C. you will see the fasces (bundle of rods with an axe) on many buildings. This was the symbol of Roman authority adopted by Mussolini and the Fascists as their symbol. Two of them flank the speaker's area in the House of Representatives. According to at least two people on this post, that must mean the USA is a fascist state!

There ar e plenty of items that are on or around government buildings that shouldn't be there...and they number 10.

[Spearhead]

Debating the significance of a symbol on a board about identity designs is not that far fetched, but, I'll close out my participation in this discussion by tying up some loose ends.

winghaz, we will agree to disagree which is the gentlemanly thing to do. Good luck to you.

the nazi flag is just a peice of red cloth with a white disk and a black addition symbol doing cartweels. i shouldn't be offended right?

No, the Nazi flag SHOULD offend every right thinking person because of what it stands for. But, if you can't discern the difference between the Jeffersonian Confederacy which was hostile to centralized government and a socialist dictatorship in Germany, then you really ought not weigh into the debate at all. Particularly in light of the fact that a disproportionate number of the sons of many Confederate vets fought against the Nazis. It is more accurate to note that Lincoln, who believed in white supremecy and set up a police state was, as the Confederacy's opponent, much closer to the Nazis than say Jefferson Davis. But you either ignore that fact or have yet to trip across it. It is no mistake that you and Kansascityjayhawk, who started this debate (and has yet to return to it), have offered nothing, ZERO, in the way of a defense of whatever it is that you believe. In fact by arbitraily telling me that I should lose the avitar you represent what the flag itself stands against.

I am not a racist, a fascist, a Nazi, a conspiracy theorist or a Holocaust denier. I am fairly conventional person and sort of resent having to clarify that I am not a hater. The Confederate flag --properly understood -- is a symbol of definace to the tyranny of centeralized government. I adopted it after seeing an anti-Confederate battle flag avitar on these boards in an effort to give visualization to the other side. The opponents of the Confederate flag don't really understand the complicated set of issues that lie behind it. Instead, like a dumb bull that charges at anything of a certain color, they go at the flag with their heads down and eyes shut. They project their own ignorance upon the symbol itself. A legion nefarious characters have gathered under the American flag yet few of you would ask anyone who displays it to haul it down for that reason.