In honor of John Stockton

[Wasatch]

It figures that John Stockton would slip into the Hall of Fame practically unnoticed, overshadowed by the midflight silhouette of a dunking Michael Jordan that is etched in our basketball consciousness.

Few players in any sport have had such a great disparity between their accomplishments and their acclaim. He's the NBA all-time leader in assists and steals -- accomplishments that put him on the same level as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (most points), Wilt Chamberlain (most rebounds) and Hakeem Olajuwon (most blocked shots). They're all iconic. If Stockton gets recognized at all, it's simply for being a good basketball player. No movie cameos, no memorable commercials, no moves named after him.

The reason it's that way is because he wanted it that way. He never cared about anything other than winning games. Trying to get him to do an interview was like trying to wash a cat. He somehow managed to stay hidden even when the lights shined brightest on the NBA stage. Stockton was a member of the golden 1984 draft class and came up in the era when the league's TV ratings crested. Jordan might have denied championship rings to many of his fellow Dream Teamers, but he did bring all of them more attention. Still, Stockton maintained the profile of a CIA agent.

It's not as if things would be different if he came along in this constant-on age. Can you imagine Stockton with a blog or a Twitter account? Bill Belichick tweeting injury updates would be more likely.

In retrospect, it was a media failure. We didn't give Stockton his due, failed to recognize the greatness of one of the game's most productive and durable players. We immortalized Cal Ripken for showing up every day? Stockton played the max amount of games in 17 of his 19 seasons and missed only 22 of a possible 1,526 games.

And he was as big in the clutch as any of his contemporaries. The most important moments in Utah Jazz history have Stockton's fingerprints all over them. In 1997, he made the jump shot that sent the franchise to the NBA Finals for the first time. In the Finals that year, he compiled as complete a finish as you'll ever see when he registered a 3-pointer, a free throw, a steal, two rebounds and an assist on the go-ahead layup in the final three minutes of Game 5. And he saved the Jazz from an embarrassingly early playoff exit in 1999 when he made a jumper with 0.7 left in Game 4 of Utah's first-round series in Sacramento, denying that up-and-coming Kings squad a chance to close out the best-of-five series.

Stockton excelled at keeping the flashy young teams in their place. That Sacramento group was the prototype for the recent Warriors teams, all fun and action and offense. And for all the havoc Shaq, Kobe and the Lakers unleashed on the league from 2000 to 2002, they never did beat Stockton and Karl Malone in 1997 and 1998.

Utah's execution and attention to detail always won out against the younger, more talented teams, and Stockton was the one behind everything. He dribbled the ball with authority, then relinquished it at precisely the right time. He ran the offense on his terms, with patience, content to simply grind opponents down. The enduring image I have of him is after yet another victory over the Shaq-Kobe Lakers at the old Forum. He walked off the court to exchange a quick five with Malone. No jumping or fist pumps. Just another day of work, in a career that should have stood out much more than it did.

J.A. Adande is an ESPN.com senior writer and the author of "The Best Los Angeles Sports Arguments."

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[Cujo]

Okay, so you like the Utah Jazz. We get it already!!

[Wasatch]

Okay, so you like the Utah Jazz. We get it already!!

Yes I know but today is a very special day for the game of basketball. Not only are John Stockton and Jerry Sloan entering the Hall, but the greatest player ever, Michael Jordan is as well. I?ll soon post a thread on him as well.

After all, this is a Sports Forum, so why wouldn?t we want to discuss the inductees to of all things, the HALL OF FAME?

Your right, I?m a big fan of the Jazz, but I?m a even bigger fan of the all-time greats and this has to be the best HOF Class ever!

[Jigga]

So...John Stockton didn't want any attention and purposely shied away from any attention...but we should all feel ashamed for not giving the guy enough attention and blame the media that he didn't get enough attention? Is that what I'm supposed to get from the article?

John Stockton was a baller, a winner, and played his ass off night in and night out. However, dude was one of dirtiest players I can remember. Of course, you never heard about him being such a dirty player, because he's John Stockton and you didn't hear about John Stockton for anything other than setting up Mailman Malone.

[Wasatch]

So...John Stockton didn't want any attention and purposely shied away from any attention...but we should all feel ashamed for not giving the guy enough attention and blame the media that he didn't get enough attention? Is that what I'm supposed to get from the article?

John Stockton was a baller, a winner, and played his ass off night in and night out. However, dude was one of dirtiest players I can remember. Of course, you never heard about him being such a dirty player, because he's John Stockton and you didn't hear about John Stockton for anything other than setting up Mailman Malone.

You can take away whatever you want from the article, it's just something J.A. Adande wrote about him.

Could the guy be perceived as dirty to some, sure, but he was durable and he held his own, and he one of the toughest players ever.

[-kj]

You can take away whatever you want from the article, it's just something J.A. Adande wrote about him.of the toughest players ever.

In the future, could you provide a link and/or citation? What's even better is posting an excerpt then linking to the full story. I don't know if Chris has been concerned with those sort of copyright issues on the boards, but it's something to watch out for.

Other than that, I don't get the hate from the rest of y'all.

[Jigga]

Hate is what we do around here, Kiev. C'mon, man. You know that. When people die or do something worthy of celebration, we gotta tell the whole story, not just the parts we like. Call it hate if you will, I call it keeping it real.

Great player, but he had a rep for being dirty amongst his peers. It's fair to say it.

[Jimmy!]

At first glance, when looking at this thread, I thought Stockton died.

[Wasatch]

You can take away whatever you want from the article, it's just something J.A. Adande wrote about him.of the toughest players ever.

In the future, could you provide a link and/or citation? What's even better is posting an excerpt then linking to the full story. I don't know if Chris has been concerned with those sort of copyright issues on the boards, but it's something to watch out for.

Other than that, I don't get the hate from the rest of y'all.

Opps my bad, I meant to include a link to the story. It?s there now.

Hate is what we do around here, Kiev. C'mon, man. You know that. When people die or do something worthy of celebration, we gotta tell the whole story, not just the parts we like. Call it hate if you will, I call it keeping it real.

Great player, but he had a rep for being dirty amongst his peers. It's fair to say it.

Hey I?m all for that and I agree with you but consider this, even MJ this morning asked this morning if he thought Stockton was a dirty player and he said he wouldn?t call him a dirty player, he was just a player that gave it his all and played with every inch of his body. So if the greatest player ever doesn?t consider him a dirty player, should we?

[Jigga]

You can take away whatever you want from the article, it's just something J.A. Adande wrote about him.of the toughest players ever.

In the future, could you provide a link and/or citation? What's even better is posting an excerpt then linking to the full story. I don't know if Chris has been concerned with those sort of copyright issues on the boards, but it's something to watch out for.

Other than that, I don't get the hate from the rest of y'all.

Opps my bad, I meant to include a link to the story. It?s there now.

Hate is what we do around here, Kiev. C'mon, man. You know that. When people die or do something worthy of celebration, we gotta tell the whole story, not just the parts we like. Call it hate if you will, I call it keeping it real.

Great player, but he had a rep for being dirty amongst his peers. It's fair to say it.

Hey I?m all for that and I agree with you but consider this, even MJ this morning asked this morning if he thought Stockton was a dirty player and he said he wouldn?t call him a dirty player, he was just a player that gave it his all and played with every inch of his body. So if the greatest player ever doesn?t consider him a dirty player, should we?

Yes.

[Wasatch]

Yes.

Hey, you?re entitled to your opinion based on your own experiences of the situation and I can respect that.

[The_Admiral]

he was just a player that gave it his all and played with every inch of his body.

Especially the inches of his body used for punching dudes in the junk. Stockton is the man, and I say he's the best PG ever, but to deny him his junk-punching is to deny him his greatness.

So if the greatest player ever doesn't consider him a dirty player, should we?

The greatest player ever considered Kwame Brown a #1 draft pick.

[Jigga]

he was just a player that gave it his all and played with every inch of his body.

Especially the inches of his body used for punching dudes in the junk. Stockton is the man, and I say he's the best PG ever, but to deny him his junk-punching is to deny him his greatness.

So if the greatest player ever doesn't consider him a dirty player, should we?

The greatest player ever considered Kwame Brown a #1 draft pick.

Tee hee...

[FiddySicks]

You can take away whatever you want from the article, it's just something J.A. Adande wrote about him.of the toughest players ever.

In the future, could you provide a link and/or citation? What's even better is posting an excerpt then linking to the full story. I don't know if Chris has been concerned with those sort of copyright issues on the boards, but it's something to watch out for.

Other than that, I don't get the hate from the rest of y'all.

Opps my bad, I meant to include a link to the story. It?s there now.

Hate is what we do around here, Kiev. C'mon, man. You know that. When people die or do something worthy of celebration, we gotta tell the whole story, not just the parts we like. Call it hate if you will, I call it keeping it real.

Great player, but he had a rep for being dirty amongst his peers. It's fair to say it.

Hey I?m all for that and I agree with you but consider this, even MJ this morning asked this morning if he thought Stockton was a dirty player and he said he wouldn?t call him a dirty player, he was just a player that gave it his all and played with every inch of his body. So if the greatest player ever doesn?t consider him a dirty player, should we?

Yes.

Yeah because all of your years getting beat up by him while you were playing for the Phoenix Suns gives you that authority, right?