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  1. 2018 MLS Kits

    I would have liked to see them do something like this 2002-2003 Paris San Germain shirt.
  2. 2018 MLS Kits

    No sponsor is ever burned in. Here's the Union's new shirt:
  3. 2018 MLS Kits

    I think you're right.
  4. 2018 MLS Kits

    Yeah, I think they might have been well-served by adding a swath of blue somewhere else, to set off the sash. I do really like that Northwestern-stripe sash.
  5. 2018 MLS Kits

    True, but the point I was getting at is that these can be diminishing returns. You don’t necessarily get more money for selling more ads, when each individual ad is made less valuable because of the competition for attention.
  6. 2018 MLS Kits

    Thats a great video. But I didn’t quite catch something - when were they founded?
  7. 2018 MLS Kits

    Don't know - there is always the risk of de-valuing the central shirt sponsor by crowding it out. There are several Premier League clubs whose contracts prohibit them from adding any other sponsors.
  8. NFL 2018 changes

    Owners change. Players change. Coaches and staff change. Franchises endure. And just the like the Rams were still the same Rams after their hiatus as they were before it, so too the Browns.
  9. NFL 2018 changes

    To be honest, I don’t know when the piece of paper was no longer physically required. But the principle remains the same - “franchise” has a very specific meaning, that being the right to field a team. The Cleveland Browns franchise was left behind and Modell was granted a new franchise for his Baltimore team. You can can make an argument that the organization moved. Or that the team moved. But the franchise? It is an objective fact that it’s the same franchise, and that franchise always remained in Cleveland.
  10. 2018 MLS Kits

    There’s a whole lot of that shirt to yet be unveiled.
  11. NFL 2018 changes

    Yeah, but that’s really it, isn’t it? People arguing that they’re the same claim that the other side is letting emotions trump facts, but there’s plenty of emotionalism on both sides. The franchise stayed in Cleveland. You can argue that the organization moved, you can even argue that the team moved. But a franchise is by definition a right to operate a team in the NFL, originally represented by a physical certificate. And that objectively stayed in Cleveland. Words mean things, after all. Historical fact that I’ve brought up before when this subject is raised; as late as the 1950s, the right to field a team was tied to actual physical possession of the certificate. When the Packers fired Curly Lambeau, there was a moment of panic when they briefly couldn’t find their franchise certificate and worried that he had taken it with him out of spite.
  12. 2018 MLS Kits

    First glimpse of the new Philadelphia Union shirt, from a reception for their new signing: That outer layer is a jacket. All we can see is that the shirt body is tonal blue stripes; their signature gold center stripe has been removed. Confirmation here from a reporter covering the club. Has some interesting things to say about the teasers. Wonder if that’s why clubs like NYCFC don’t like to do teasers, keeping the whole thing under wraps until they’re ready to go.
  13. Could teams in the same city share one identity?

    Either would certainly have been grandfathered in. Each team would have had too much brand equity to change on its own, and neither baseball club could force the football clubs to change after decades of allowing it. I do wonder if the Busches would have ended up buying the football Cardinals at some point, keeping everything in-house.
  14. NFL 2018 changes

    Yes, and the objective fact of history is that the franchise itself stayed in Cleveland. Modell intended to take it with him but didn’t. The new Browns are the old Browns franchise just as surely as the Rams were founded in 1936. i don’t disagree that it has led to distasteful shenanigans elsewhere. But that does not change the objective facts of this particular case.
  15. NFL 2018 changes

    That might make sense if they weren’t the same franchise. But since the franchise certificate was deliberately and purposely left behind in Cleveland when the team moved, they are. I know a lot of people want to draw distinctions, but this isn’t a Baltimore Orioles or Milwaukee Brewers situation. They actually are the same franchise.
  16. 2018 MLS Kits

    Don’t mind the all-black look, metallic colors don’t always translate well to fabrics. Just so long as the LAFC kit doesn’t include white or red, I’ll be happy.
  17. NFL 2018 changes

    Why on earth should they do that? Because they’ve lost a lot in recent decades? Should the Cubs have retired theirs?
  18. Toronto FC are your 2017 MLS Cup champions, which puts a cap on the 2017 season and it’s time for a new thread. So... who ya got?
  19. Could teams in the same city share one identity?

    Clubs v franchises has nothing to do with it. You wouldn’t see multiple independent clubs use the same name over there any more than you’d see multiple independent franchises use the same name here.
  20. Could teams in the same city share one identity?

    Yep, that’s it. When football teams started naming themselves after the local baseball clubs, they were trying to borrow the older sport’s prestige. But each corporate entity had a very narrow focus. One could use the name for the purposes of holding professional baseball games, the other for the purposes of holding professional football games. No overlap. But now, teams use their branding for a whole series of things nobody back then could have anticipated, and there’s value in the name alone, divorced from any context.
  21. North American Pro Soccer 2018

    Why do you say that? Sounders 2 have been moved to Tacoma. Red Bulls II moved to Montclair. ATL UTD 2 is in the suburbs of Atlanta. Even Portland is talking about possibly moving theirs. Sure, there are some who remain in the same stadium/city. But those are fewer and fewer, and the trend seems pretty clear; 2 teams are being put in places where they can carve out fan bases and territories of their own.
  22. North American Pro Soccer 2018

    Except that the level of play is better in some of those 2 clubs than the other USL squads. Seems arbitrary, if not silly, to bump those players down to a lower level. Especially since we’re currently feeling a crisis in player development in this country. Better, I think, to encourage 2 clubs to build their own fan bases by staking out their own slice of territory, as Sounders 2 and Red Bull II are doing.
  23. NHL 2018-19

    "You do not have permission to view this content." Well, now I really want to read your thread.
  24. I hope @andrewharrington doesn't mind me breaking this out into a separate topic, but I've been thinking a lot about a question he posed the other day. I'm not opposed to changes or updates in general. Those changes just need to feel like real improvements without losing essential elements of the original. My favorite baseball club brought back a classic uniform as an alternate. And again they made some changes, concessions to modernity: This is an update of the classic 1980s uniform: Couple concessions to contemporary style, though - belts over elastic waistbands, button-up instead of pullovers, added a mitt logo patch on the sleeve (that "HK" is a memorial patch, the Brewers never had a logo patch in this era). The update keeps the spirit of the original despite those changes, and I don't know any Brewers fan who is displeased with the effect. Contrast these with something like the Buffalo Sabres, who brought back their classic logo with changes. This was the original subject of our conversation, how this logo has been treated: This one just feels like a failure to me. It takes the old logo and adds pointless details without correcting any of the problems (such as the detailing on the head). The recent Winter Classic logo seems to me to be a much better update (extraneous NY aside): This has come up recently as we watch the second incarnation of the North American Soccer League implode. It has no connection to the original other than the name and an updated logo: This to me is about a perfect update of the original. Keeps the essential elements (starball, shield shape, basic letterforms), while ditching the unnecessary elements (field background) and adding something new (continental silhouette). Both leagues have a flagship club called the New York Cosmos. Again, not the same club, but repurposed intellectual property. This logo also got an update: Again, I think it's a fantastic update. Cleans it up a bit, makes it read better at distance or small size, but unmistakably the same. So what do you think? Are there any updates to your favorite teams that have hit (or missed) the mark?