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  1. I think you mean “upper,” because they act as a reminder of what will happen to the Pats once Bob Kraft passes the torch to his son.
  2. I also blame the Blue Jays for some of it, as they took away the Southern Ontario territory. It’s a small, but important factor in the Expos’ demise. I tend to think that if the NL had to do it over, they wouldn’t have chosen Montréal as an expansion market. Again, read Jonah Keri’s book on the Expos. I can’t recommend it enough.
  3. They were the 2010s Cardinals of their day, down to having a Molina as a catcher.
  4. Apparently, this is the “right” uniform for Willie Stargell: He wore the two previous uniform sets for the Pirates, both of which were infinitely better than the “cataract crew” look.
  5. Florida Mk. I: I like going all-in with teal and using the primary logo marlin. The home uniform without silver is markedly better. Florida Mk. II: It’s better than I thought it would be! I was worried that the recolor would be a teal/black/silver recolor of the current look (which really doesn’t work, IMHO), but you managed to do something far more inspired. Toronto: I like how you’ve gone for the added shades of blue and the maple leaf. It’s a happy medium between their current look and the mess of the Black Jays. The logo doesn’t really need the “connector” between the back feathers and the beak, but that’s a minor issue (which means somebody will turn it into a MAJOR issue on the Sports Logos section). Well done!
  6. The Eagles are a big improvement! I really like what you’ve done with the American Giants, especially with the White Sox-style scripts and the pinstripes (both white and light blue). The AG logo is the perfect way to get around the multitude of teams with the Giants name.
  7. Yankee Stadium 1.5. I’ve long reasoned that it lost its soul during the 1970s renovation, becoming just another cookie-cutter. I wouldn’t say the Lakers’ imperfections gave them humanity so much as having “happy” colors. Bright purple and yellow elicit a pleasant reaction compared to navy/red/silver or anything with black. Also, the Lakers have the right proportions of purple/yellow to illicit the “happy” feeling, unlike the Vikings.
  8. BROOKLYN CANARIES, PT. II - Birdcage Blues Let's head back to the early 1930s for this one, when Brooklyn's National League club lost long-time manager Wilmer Robinson left after leading the team for eighteen years. His presence inspired the "Robins" nickname for the team, which news outlets would use alongside names like "Superbas" and "Dodgers." The team went all-in on the "Robins" branding by the end of his tenure, as the 1931 uniforms used "Robin's Egg Blue" throughout the design. With Robinson gone, the team had to do the 1930s equivalent of a rebranding. Todd Radom described this transformation in an article on his blog, highlighting that manager Max Carey's hire turned the name "Canaries" into a front-runner.1 While the team opted to codify the "Dodgers" nickname in 1932, what if they went ahead with Canaries? I figured that the team would have adopted cursive scripts with tails in 1938 (much like in our universe), while adding yellow to go alongside the traditional blue (akin to the coloring of a canary). The primary logo is a blend of Tottenham Hotspur's crest and the vintage Cardinals scripts, with the classic "B" at the center of a baseball. The tertiary combines the canary graphic with the founding dates, crossed bats (similar to the ones in my Pirates primary logo), and the cap insignia. The home and road uniforms use the 1940s-'50s road uniform template on both home and road sets. I thought it'd be a good way to mix up the look. There are now two yellow stripes to the socks, for more of a "dual stripe" presence in the uniform. The front numbers are still contrast-colored, as it's a trait I rather like for the squad. The alternates include a powder blue set meant to hybrid the satin road uniforms and the 1971 Los Angeles Dodgers' road set. I put the tertiary on the sleeve. The other one is a Robins throwback to 1931, to homage the pre-Canaries look. The dugout jackets are pretty similar to my Dodgers jackets, albeit with yellow replacing white throughout the design. While the "Dodgers" brand is one of the most famed in all of Big Four sports, I'd like to think that Canaries wouldn't have been too shabby either. At the very least, it translates better to Los Angeles than "Dodgers." In fact, let's see it! Thanks @Topherlee2 for pointing out the error. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, the Senat(ionals)ors! 1Todd Radom, “Why the Los Angeles Dodgers Were Not the Brooklyn Canaries,” Todd Radom Design, accessed July 8, 2018, https://www.toddradom.com/blog/why-the-los-angeles-dodgers-were-not-the-brooklyn-canaries.
  9. Before we get to the Canaries, I figured I should do an update on my "Brooklyn" script to get it to better match the "Dodgers" mark. Here it is: I'd like to give a huge shoutout to @Htown1141 for his assistance in nailing this one. Here it is on the full set (I also attended to some logo sheet errors): Logo Sheet: Home and Road: Alternates: Dugout Jackets: C+C is appreciated, as always!
  10. Ichiro Suzuki, Barry Bonds, and Ken Griffey Jr. come to mind.
  11. Thanks! I'm not sure what you mean by making the "Los Angeles" script look more like the "Dodgers" script (I left it untouched), but I'm more than happy to adjust the "Brooklyn" script to look a little cleaner. The pattern is my generic faux-flannel, which I use on any gray throwback to the flannel era (like creme replacing white). I'm looking forward to seeing you go hardcore vintage with that pattern (note: clipping masks for that thing are an absolute pain)! Thanks, guys! Making that script was one of my favorite parts of the concept. Thanks! My original plan was to "hack" Minne and Paul to turn them into lumberjacks (complete with reproportioning their bodies). It didn't look very good: My dissatisfaction led me to the new Bunyan design. Thanks. You know, that's an interesting challenge! How could one modernize the Dodgers in a way that fit with the new stadium, without necessarily betraying their brand? Well, I've got an idea! The logos use the (slightly-modified) Final Frontier font for that 1960s space age touch. I made sure to tilt the wordmarks and add underlines, to "modernize" the scripts. The primary features the Flatbush Dome. The uniforms use an un-striped template (much like the 1965-70 Astros), while continuing the use of Block Standard numbers (no need for a display number font at this time). I figured that this identity would have only lasted a year before popular demand forced the team to switch back to their classic look, much like the 1956 Cardinals or 1960 Tigers. Of course, this redesign would have lasting consequences, such as the permanent removal of striping from the road uniform. the reintroduction of a "Brooklyn" script, and the addition of red front numbers to the grays (like how the Cardinals dropped striping and adopted cursive wordmarks following 1956). I also reasoned that O'Malley would have been talked down from his domed proposal, instead building a Shea/Dodger Stadium-like structure on the site. That would have kept the identity intact (much like Dodger Stadium did in our timeline). The Canaries should be up soon!
  12. I'm diggin' the legit Braves concept (even though I don't like their royal/red look), especially your feather stripes. I thoroughly enjoy what you did with the "Fan Fiction section" set. The board needs a good trolling and lampooning every once in a while, which you are providing pretty well. Just make sure to do a parody of one of the "omnibus posts" that I do and offer up at least one crappy recoloring that totally wrecks the look of a logo (e.g., red/kelly Red Sox, recoloring the current Marlins in teal/black/silver because MUH NINDIES, etc.). please.
  13. Thanks! One of the big inspirations for the branding was your suggestion in this thread: It gave me the push I needed to go all-in on Paul Bunyan. Thanks for that! I had no idea about Bunyan's Wisconsin origins, so thanks for that tip as well. Thanks! I went back and forth on having a Babe logo, but I decided that team worked best without even a trace of blue. Maybe it's my own biases (Dodgers rivalry), but I didn't think it was a good fit. Thank you. I figured that it would have been a late-1980s/early-1990s design, created to give the team a bit more of an identity tied to the name, mostly to replace the bland "ball with wordmark" stuff. My reasoning was that the team chose McCovey because of his stature on the team and his height, while preserving the dark skin color as a means of "diversifying" their look (the Giants were the fourth team to integrate, after all). Race lifting Paul Bunyan at that point shouldn't have been much of a problem (say he's Bunyan-inspired). Thanks, guys! The Minnesota variant is probably my favorite logo package of the bunch. I really wanted to use the flannel pattern on a team at some point. This team was the perfect opportunity to employ such a pattern. Anyway, it's Brooklyn time! BROOKLYN DODGERS, PT. 1 - Dem Bums are back! Out of all of the defunct teams, the Brooklyn Dodgers are easily the one most gushed over by the baseball media and pop culture as a whole. How could they not, with such legendary figures as Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Duke Snider, Roy Campanella, Wilbert Robinson, and Leo Durocher? However, the team still left Brooklyn for oft-repeated reasons of: 1. Ebbets Field was in a state of disrepair and could not handle high-capacity crowds in nearly the same way that Yankee Stadium or Milwaukee County Stadium could. Parking was also a problem, which one can trace to a mixture of "White Flight" to the suburbs, the expansion of American highways, and a growing emphasis on car transportation over public options.1 2. Walter O'Malley wanted to build a new stadium in Brooklyn, yet this man (Robert Moses): ...didn't want them to build upon the Flatbush site in Brooklyn, instead leading them towards the future Shea Stadium (right near Moses' Long Island Expressway). 2 After surveying Chavez Ravine and working out a deal with Stoneham's Giants to move together, the Dodgers pulled one of these (Son Goku is the Dodgers, Chi-Chi is the city of Brooklyn, and the schoolboard members are the New York City Fathers): But let's assume that the Flatbush stadium worked out (unlikely), preferably without the dome. What would the modern Dodgers look like if they had stayed in place? I doubt the team would look all that different from their current identity, adopting many of the same traits (primary logo, plain road uniforms, etc.). The primary logo is off of my Los Angeles Dodgers concept, while the "B" is an extract from Todd Radom's famed Brooklyn Cyclones logo. I thought it was the perfect modernization of the classic Brooklyn "B." The tertiary adapts my Dodgers tertiary for the Brooklyn squad. The home and road uniforms feature a new "Brooklyn" script meant to better emulate the nickname script. The road uniforms lose their striping and gain red front numbers, much like what happened to the Dodgers' road set in the 1960s (the teams of that period would have immortalized the look, moreso that the striped design). Also, big thanks to @Gothamite for the consult on the "Brooklyn" script. The road alternates homage different eras of the team's history. The first one is a replica of the Brooklyn Robins' 1931 road uniform, to homage the pre-script period. The second alt is a recreation of the 1946-57 road uniform, to get the striping into the mix. I added the tertiary to the sleeve, for a little incorporation with the main set. The dugout jackets bear a strong similarity to my LA Dodgers concept, with one for the primaries and another for the road alts. All in all, the Dodgers would have a classic look no matter where they settled. C+C is appreciated, as always! 1 Andrew Goldblatt, The Giants and the Dodgers: Four Cities, Two Teams, One Rivalry (Jefferson, NC: McFarland, 2013), 135-36. 2 Ibid, 137-41. Up next, the bird is the word!
  14. United States: I like the update far more than the first version (but good on you for trying to make the best of it), especially with the use of color. However, I do have to ask: did you get @illwauk‘s permission to use his design for the cap logo? If not, it would be best to create a new, similar design. Venezuela: The striping and color arrangement are both fantastic. I don’t really have any nitpicks with this one.
  15. Now we know that that's inaccurate. I don't own a red belt or a hoodie! ? Anyway, I really like what you've done with the concepts here. Houston: I really enjoy the Star Trek-style lettering and that you refrained from having a fully grey road uniform. The alternates are both fantastic, as I've always liked modernized takes on the Tequila Sunrise. The white outline version of the orange top is much better. San Diego: Obligatory bit from RCR talking 'bout BROWN. Thanks for citing me as an inspiration for the design. I could go either way with the cross (made sure to make mine super small), but I like your refinement of the font and the logo. I'm not fond of the Taco Bell caps, but I get that they're iconic for the franchise. My only issue with the set is the orange on the brown top, but that's a minor complaint. The navy/orange alternate and the navy/yellow variant are a good way to appease the normies. Good work! Dodgers: I like that you had the guts to change the LA to something that better matched the scripts (while maintaining the basic interlocking design). I'd prefer it if you used the road cap on the home uniform as well, for C O N S I S T E N C Y. The Brooklyn and light blue alternates are both fantastic. I look forward to more fun concepts!
  16. Now this is an excellent idea for a concept thread! As a bit of a Negro Leagues aficionado, I’m curious to see where you’ll go with some of them. I like Baltimore’s design, emphasizing “Elite” and doing fun stuff with the black jersey’s sleeve. Good work. The Eagles’ move sounds plausible here, and I like how you’ve handled the logos, the road uniform (I like the old Brooklyn script), and the drop shadow. My only real issue with it is that the drop shadow on the blue jersey should be on both the logo and numbers (or just no drop shadow). Well done! The Barons have a fantastic color scheme (I love that historical tidbit) and you make good use of the scripts and striping scheme. It’s a well-executed modernization. I’m curious to see what you’ll do with the Grays and Monarchs, among other teams. Keep up the good work!
  17. Republica Dominicana: I like it, especially with the way you've handled the royal/red contrast on the different elements (especially the stirrups and the striping). The alternate is a particularly fantastic modernization of the vintage uniform. Deutschland: This is another solid one, especially with the font choice and wordmark composition. The all-black, football kit (white with black pants), and green/white are my favorites of the bunch. I'm not totally sold on the all-yellow, but that's down to personal preference. Good work!
  18. MINNESOTA GIANTS PHASE THREE - North Star State Style Let's go back to our hypothetical scenario of Stoneham deciding against the Minneapolis city name. Instead of going all-in on the "Twin Cities" name, Stoneham sets his sights a bit higher. He looks at a blown-up print of Milwaukee County Stadium and its sprawling parking lot, remembers the Bloomington location of the stadium (suburb), and has an idea. Why not chose the state name as an identifier? It would attract fans from both of the Twin Cities, their suburbs, and from other areas of the state. The team would still use the "TC" as their cap logo, to signify where they play in the state and to avoid people in St. Paul complaining about the team looking like the Millers. The logos have a stronger Twins influence, what with the outline from their secondary logo/old primary. "Stretch" Bunyan is at the center of the design, with a baseball bearing the wordmark behind him and a star over the location of the Twin Cities (roughly). I fixed the Minnesota outline to better reflect state borders - with a comparison (thanks @scottyeagle).The tertiary features the "M" "TC" "Stp" insignia design, paired with the scenery of the "Twin Cities" primary. The new crest is on the sleeves of the home and road uniforms, with the road jersey gaining a "Minnesota" script. While the black alternate is a direct port of the Twin Cities variant, the orange top gains the late '70s-early '80s jersey script (which had been part of the team's identity since the 1940s). I figured it'd be a fauxback to a similar design from the club's past (just no orange sanitaries, please - modeled by this doofus). The orange-billed cap returns to the home uniform for an alternate, while the New York (baseball) Giants' 1933 design returns as a throwback. I figured that without as much of a civic focus, the team should bill itself partly on its New York history (with a Carl Hubbell statue, please - for his time as a player and talent director in the 1950s-60s). The dugout jacket features the script from my Twins concept, flanked primary and cap logos, and the new tertiary on the back. While I loathe the idea of losing the best rivalry in Big Four sports and my favorite team, the Giants wouldn't have looked bad in Minnesota. Maybe they'd have developed a stronger rivalry with the Cubs and Braves, perhaps even keeping the Braves in Milwaukee. Still, it was a fun experiment. C+C is appreciated, as always! Here are the original images, before the update. Up next, the other half of the historic rivalry!
  19. TWIN CITIES GIANTS PHASE TWO - Twinning! Let's go back to Horace Stoneham planning the move to Minneapolis. One of the Minneapolis locals (say, a high-ranking employee of the Millers) notes that there is an inherent rivalry between Minneapolis and St. Paul (mentioned in the previous post). He then suggests that naming the team after only one of the cities could alienate fans, as the Minneapolis Lakers found out. Said local also points out that the stadium is in Bloomington, a suburb of Minneapolis, which would render the name a little inaccurate. So, Stoneham and his buddies come up with a compromise: use the "Twin Cities" identifier for the team. The logos are pretty similar in style to the Minneapolis variant. The primary logo features the team wordmark behind two renderings of Willie McCovey, with the one on the right coming from the later years of his career. Trees are behind the figures, while the city insignias (based off of the Millers and Saints' cap logos) flank each side of the river-with-bridge from the Twins' old sleeve emblem. The "TC" appears in the Ocean Beach Major font as the secondary (with negative space to imply interlocking), while the tertiary combines all of the insignias into a roundel. The uniforms are much the same as the previous concept, albeit with the "TC" on the cap and a "Twin Cities" wordmark on the road jersey. The alts take their cues from the previous concept, except with the black alt using a "M | | Stp" chest design (like the 1905 Giants with their "NY"). The tertiary is on the black uniform's sleeve. The heritage alternates cater to both Minneapolis and St. Paul with homages to their historic American Association teams. The Saints' design is an homage to their mid-'30s design, which featured a black/orange color scheme and Tuscan-style lettering. I didn't want to do the blue with scripts, as the Saints were a Dodgers affiliate at the time. Even with the rivalry dead in this timeline (my biggest complaint), I still don't want that combination. The tertiary is on the sleeve of both uniforms. The main dugout jacket features the primary logo on the back, the cap logo on the sleeve, and a "Twin Cities" script from my Twins alternate take. The throwback has tan sleeves, the double insignias on the front, and a team wordmark on the back. This option is probably my favorite option, as it combines a bit of the Twins with the Giants' identity while refraining from a state name. It sounds less redundant than "Twin Cities Twins" as well. Up next, let's go to state!
  20. Thanks, guys! I really liked making the Gothams. Let's just say that I found a creative way to work "Giants" into the Minnesota setting. While I do believe the Jim Mutrie story for the team's origin (and the tall players one for making it stick), I reasoned that New York's growing skyline would be a "renewed" definition of the team name. I try to work in the team name through flimsy means, like here: New York: skyscrapers San Francisco: bridges (hence the lettering on an arc) If the Giants were to change their name upon moving, Minneapolis Saints would be a good option (pre-empting state names). Twin Cities/Minnesota Voyageurs, Trappers, or Elks would also work. Anyway, it's time to head to North Star State! MINNEAPOLIS/TWIN CITIES/MINNESOTA GIANTS - Stretch-ing the Bunyan Legend It's no secret that the Giants almost moved to Minnesota, where they had territorial rights and had planned to expand the Minneapolis Millers' home stadium (newly-opened Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington) for the major-league club.1 Had it not been for Walter O'Malley's SF-LA proposal and a drumming up of local support in San Francisco for luring a team, Horace Stoneham would have stupidly killed the best rivalry in Big Four sports by moving to the Twin Cities area.2 However, let's suppose Stoneham did relocate to Minnesota. How would the team's identity evolve? PHASE ONE - Pining for the 'polis When deciding on how to brand the team, let's assume that the team didn't take into account the unique nature of the Minneapolis/St. Paul market (semi-rivalry). After all, the Giants had the rights to Minneapolis, not St. Paul (as this period article emphasizes Minneapolis as the target, not the state of Minnesota). So, let's assume that the team adopted the name "Minneapolis Giants." Aside from adopting the Millers' road script and an "M" on their caps, the identity does not change all that much. It isn't until the 1980s and early 2000s that the team redesigns their primary logo to better reflect their name. But what's particularly "Giant" about Minnesota? The answer to the previous question is obviously Paul Bunyan, the legendary lumberjack. A bat-swinging Paul Bunyan, pictured in front of trees, would be the centerpiece logo (much like Minnie and Paul for the Twins). I wanted to base him on the image of a particularly "giant" member of the team. While Willie Mays was a leading candidate (given his success with the Minneapolis Millers), I didn't find that he was tall enough (insert underrated Monty Python sketch here). However, there was a guy who was tall enough to take on role of Bunyan. Willie "Stretch" McCovey, the 6'4" (1.93 meter) tall Hall of Fame first baseman, was the perfect choice. His career also lined up with the move pretty well (debuts in 1959), which would have given him as important a role in the franchise as he had in San Francisco (McCovey Corner at Target Field and a chair at the Mall of America?). I based my rendering of Paul Bunyan on McCovey's batting pose. He's got a plaid pattern on his shirt and dark skin (I didn't want to whitewash the rendering that much - I'm happy to change it if people here don't like it). The other logos include the "M" cap logo (again, modified Ocean Beach font) and a roundel with the plaid Northwestern Stripe pattern. The uniforms are fairly similar to my New York designs, albeit with a new road wordmark in the Ocean Beach font. The primary logo is on the sleeve of both jerseys. I changed the numbers to a "block with serifs" design (to match my Twins concept) and added Northwestern stripes to the socks with a subtle plaid pattern in the center stripe to further the lumberjack theme. The alternates include an orange top with the tertiary roundel for home use. This cap also has an orange bill, as I'm sure the team would have experimented with it during the late-'70s/early '80s. The black alternate features the cap logo on the placket, a look worn by the Millers throughout their history. The plaid Northwestern Stripe appears on the sleeve. The first additional alternate is a pairing of the orange-billed cap with the home uniform. The second alt is a recreation of the Minneapolis Millers' late-'40s/early-'50s uniforms, made famous by Willie Mays' 35 crazy games for the team (hitting .477/.524/.799 with eight home runs and eight doubles, while also walking 14 times). It's a way to tie the club into the history of Minneapolis baseball (side note: that's why I chose 28 for the uniforms). The dugout jacket features a modified version of the Twins' road script and the tertiary on the back. While this concept goes against a foundational part of my baseball fandom, I still think it looks pretty good! The next two phases will be up soon! 1 Robert F. Garratt, Home Team: The Turbulent History of the San Francisco Giants (Lincoln: U of Nebraska Press, 2017), 9-10. 2 Ibid, 11-18.
  21. It doesn’t feel wrong to me. I wanted the whole team gone after the reverse-sweep. Trade and release the rotten core, while building towards a new generation. Marleau is a good guy, but he needed to leave to help the franchise reboot. My only regret is that Joe Thornton didn’t sign with another team. I really don’t want his quasi-dirty play on the Sharks anymore.
  22. Of course, if the Expos were still around, we’d be debating the politics of them celebrating St. Jean Baptiste Day instead of Canada Day.
  23. Thanks! That's a bit of what I was going for here. I even thought about designing a "Mr. Gotham" to go with the design, but I ruled it out. Anyway, here's a little rejigging of the outlining/keylining (thanks @MJD7 and @NicDB). NEW YORK GOTHAMS, PART II-B - Metropolitan Madness My original plan was to use royal/blue, for an exceptionally Mets-like identity (which had precedent for the baseball Giants). Here is the concept in that proposed color scheme. I've also done two versions based around the Mets' template (pinstripes at home, placket on road). This can also be my "What if the Mets chose the other old nickname of the Giants?" concept. Finally, here's my Giants' "New York" wordmark on my Mets concept. Why I love the Tuscan on an arc, the modified arched Giants/Pirates font looks fantastic. C+C is appreciated, as always! The Giants of Minneapolis, Minnesota (part of the Twin Cities) will be up soon!