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  1. If anything, the podium stripes were far from the worst jersey designs from the 90s NHL, and well, I credit the Flames for trying something unique. The Flames should have left their original set alone. Maybe deepen the red a touch and shrink their block numbers to standard size, but that's it. When they added black, it was also copying the Canucks' colours. The Canucks were an original black, gold(yellow), and red team. When the Canucks switched to home white in '89 and the Flames added black 5 years later, both teams looked more identical based on their colour schemes. Even with black the Flames never looked like the Canucks. The colours were similar, but the Flames looked no more like the Canucks then the Canadiens look like the Rangers. They each utilized the colours they were working with uniquely. Besides, the black, gold, and red never really fit the Canucks. It seemed so out of place in the Pacific northwest. The blue, green, and white is a much, much better look for them. I still maintain that you'd have a pretty good, near perfect, Flames set if you took the 1995-2000 set and simply removed the podium striping. While I will always cherish the 80s and early 90s colours, I do wholeheartedly agree that blue, green, and white is the most appropriate look for the Canucks. I'm afraid you and I will have to agree to disagree on black being on the Flames uniforms. Black on the Flames' set is like red being on the Blues' set. Mind you, I do prefer the '04 look over the '95-'00 set. However, I would not go with italics for the numbers and I would have horizontal hem stripes. I would also use red helmets to match the sweaters. Last, I would re-apply red yokes to the whites plus red and gold piping on each side of the pants. I'd say it's a fair compromise between the '89 Stanley Cup look and the '04 runner-up look.
  2. You mean like the Chiago Cubs? I meant in top-level sports, as in that other Chicago team. Oh that's team. That's make sense!! It would have better if the team had gone with the Denver Bears name. Given the existence of the Cubs? I doubt that would have gone over well. To be perfectly honest, nothing about the NHL Rockies was all that memorable. Nothing that the league has lacked without. Besides, the Rockies and Scouts history belongs to the New Jersey Devils. The Avalanche made the right move by going with a fresh identity when they moved into town. It could have been worse after all. They could have gone with their first choice, the Rocky Mountain Xtreme. That is very true. That first choice of a name would have made the Minnesota Wild sound like the Minnesota North Stars. However, the only good things about the Rockies were having Don Cherry as their coach for that one season and their uniforms were beautiful. Much better than that lacrosse mess the Avalanche have had over the years. The Rockies were the Vancouver Grizzlies of the NHL. A very good market and the club's logo and uniform set were great, but the ownership and management were horrible.
  3. If anything, the podium stripes were far from the worst jersey designs from the 90s NHL, and well, I credit the Flames for trying something unique. The Flames should have left their original set alone. Maybe deepen the red a touch and shrink their block numbers to standard size, but that's it. When they added black, it was also copying the Canucks' colours. The Canucks were an original black, gold(yellow), and red team. When the Canucks switched to home white in '89 and the Flames added black 5 years later, both teams looked more identical based on their colour schemes.
  4. Amen to that! Actually, if the Canucks had used the recoloured Stick 'n Rink shoulder patch as the primary on that jersey, I would have bought one in a heartbeat. Actually, I'll tell you something that perhaps you may know already. In 2000, North Vancouver artist, Glen Green, designed a cool updated Johnny Canuck logo with the use of an orca-less 'C'. Vancouver Sun sports columnist, Greg Douglas showed the design in his column. Canucks then-President and GM Brian Burke, being the arrogant goofball that he is, was so enraged by Douglas'column that he scrapped the Johnny Canuck idea. News to me. I'm assuming the logo was done in the Navy, Maroon, Silver scheme? I'm sure the logo was in the Orca Bay colours but the colours were never confirmed. If you google Johnny Canuck logos, you may be able to find it. It's a 3D version of Johnny with a serious, somewhat angry look on his face, holding a stick over his shoulder. I still prefer the skating JC, but I thought the proposed one was cool.
  5. Amen to that! Actually, if the Canucks had used the recoloured Stick 'n Rink shoulder patch as the primary on that jersey, I would have bought one in a heartbeat. Actually, I'll tell you something that perhaps you may know already. In 2000, North Vancouver artist, Glen Green, designed a cool updated Johnny Canuck logo with the use of an orca-less 'C'. Vancouver Sun sports columnist, Greg Douglas showed the design in his column. Canucks then-President and GM Brian Burke, being the arrogant goofball that he is, was so enraged by Douglas'column that he scrapped the Johnny Canuck idea.
  6. Colours are awesomely great, but let's ditch that orca and the 'VANCOUVER' once and for all. Go with the current third or better yet, the full-body Johnny Canuck. Both uniforms are BEAUTIFUL. Just cannot get enough of them.
  7. I liked those heritage uniforms, excluding the pants. I don't know how the vintage Flames red can be that bright. It has to be the same shade as Detroit's. In fact, I like having vibrant colours in hockey. It's not necessarily the shade of red that's bright, but how it's used. Detroit's red is the only colour they use aside from white, so there's no problem. The Flames' vintage look uses a vibrant red with a vibrant athletic gold. Combined with the white, there's just no contrast. It's two bright colours competing for space with an additional light colour. Now I'm not saying the Flames need a primarily black sweater. Black striping here and there though? Combined with the gold and red? It allows the two brighter colours to pop. I like vibrant colours too, but the vintage Flames stuff is just a bit to much. The 2004 Cup run sweaters were great, but if that's to much black for you, how about something like the 1995-2000 look? The podium striping on the front was to much, but remove that and you have a pretty nice sweater that does a good job balancing red, gold, and black, in my opinion. The 1995-2000 Flames look was a disaster. I do know what you're saying about two bright colours clashing. I was actually looking closely at your signature and the Raptors' red is deeper than TFC's red. There is quite a difference. I like the idea of just deepening the Flames' red like the Canadiens' red or keeping the lighter red and changing the athletic gold to Vegas gold. Just to let you know, the Kansas City Chiefs have the same vibrant red and athletic gold as the Flames' vintage and it looks great. Black just does not belong on the Flames uniforms. Just like red never belonged on the St. Louis Blues' uniforms. As a matter of fact, the Flames current vintage red is really lighter than the red they did wear when they won the Cup in '89.
  8. One of the things I find extremely frustrating about today's hockey is the lack of scoring. Otherwise known as the return of the "dead puck era". There are a number of factors. Ie, over-expansion leading to a watered-down product, over-coaching, clutching and grabbing, or today's goalies being so good. Actually, you have to really wonder if today's goalies are THAT GOOD. Not to take credit away from guys like Tim Thomas, Roberto Luongo, or Ryan Miller, but today's goalies are huge. They take up a lot of space in front of their nets. If you go back to the 1992-93 NHL season, there were 14 50-goal and 21 100-point scorers. Even bad teams had 50-goal and 100-point guys. I find it ironic that Rick Vaive, who was an excellent goalscorer in his day, could score 50+ goals for a lousy Toronto Maple Leafs team for three consecutive seasons, while a skilled guy like Daniel Sedin cannot manage a 50 season on a highly skilled Canucks team. Even Alex Ovechkin, a one-time 65 goalscorer has been having trouble scoring. When Lionel Messi scores 5 goals in a 7-1 soccer game, yes, SOCCER folks, you know hockey is in big trouble. Forget about Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux, those were generational players. But what ever happened to the Guy Lafleurs? The Mike Bossys? Even the Dennis Maruks and the John Ogrodnicks? It is a "chicken and egg" theory. Are today's NHL players not as skilled as players from the 70s to the early 90s? We know they are far better conditioned athletes who train year-round and not just in training camp in September like in the old days. Or are today's goalies that much better than the likes of Billy Smith and Pelle Lindbergh(RIP)? Or is it that today's goalies are better due to their enormous size and not their actual skills? There is one way to change all that. Make the nets slightly bigger. And I said 'slightly'. I don't want to see hockey turn into lacrosse except on the odd night or two. I always enjoyed a well-played end-to-end game with great goals, amazing saves, and clean bodychecking. That's what has made hockey a great game. Now, it's completely boring. If Sidney Crosby were concussion free, I cannot even see him scoring more than 110 points. What the NHL should do is calculate the average size of all the starting goalies and their respective backups and then calculate the size of goalies in the 80s and early 90s. The difference is day and night. But the size of the nets are the same. Make the nets bigger based on the average difference in the size of today's goalies and yesterday's goalies. This would make hockey more enjoyable. I would much rather see a 5-5 tie in the 80s than a 2-1 or 3-2 game that ended in today's gimmicky shootout. (Shootouts are a discussion for another day.)
  9. I liked those heritage uniforms, excluding the pants. I don't know how the vintage Flames red can be that bright. It has to be the same shade as Detroit's. In fact, I like having vibrant colours in hockey. Just like in basketball and football. At least, it makes up for boring low-scoring games. However, I am not a fan of Montreal making their red deeper. I do think that the Canadiens' current red would look good on the Flames with the athletic gold while the Flames' vintage red would look great on the Habs.
  10. It's so ugly that there is an odd fondness for it amongst Canuck fans. It's hard to explain. I'm not a Canucks fan, but the old "V" uniform was a unique look which looks better than other NHL uniforms I've seen. I would guess the fondness for that uni among Canuck fans is related to the fact it was worn by the first Canuck team to reach a Stanley Cup Final. Wouldn't mind seeing Vancouver return to that style for the occasional throwback. No, I think the fondness is more closely related to "I love my team so much I'll even support them in this hideous jersey". It's still the least popular uniform they've worn, and they should never change from Blue, Green and White again. I think the attitude also comes from "It may be a hideous uniform, but it's OUR hideous uniform." That and it's vintage. The '94 uniform however, does get it's fondness from being the jersey they wore to game 7 of the cup final. Those were the uniforms the Canucks wore when I started becoming a Canucks/hockey fan. I bled those those colours. The colours were my favourite element of those uniforms. The home yellow was a great unique look and it complimented the road black. The Flying V was THE problem and it took away the uniqueness of the colour scheme. I always imagine how cool it would have looked if the Canucks had kept the Stick 'n Rink logo and the original '70-'72 design or had Johnny Canuck and the original stripes in the '82 colours. Furthermore, add some better '70s draft choices to the likes of Smyl, Gradin, Williams, and Snepsts, then you got a winning look. However, I'm glad the Canucks are back in the original blue, green, and white. Just get rid of the orca.
  11. I have to disagree. The Flames' original look is clean and simple. The red and black look has become too generic and it should be limited to just Chicago and Ottawa. Teams that avoid the BFBS disease not only make themselves look more unique but they make those teams that have had black in their uniforms from the beginning, ie. the Bruins and Flyers, stand out well on their own. The Flames are as much a red and gold team as the Flyers are an orange and black team. By the way, the Flames lost the '04 Final, but won the '89 Final in their classic reds on Montreal Forum ice.
  12. You mean like the Chiago Cubs? I meant in top-level sports, as in that other Chicago team. Oh that's team. That's make sense!! It would have better if the team had gone with the Denver Bears name. Colorado Rockies, then, could have been revived instead of going with the Avalanche. Remember the slogan, "Rocky Hockey"? Here are a couple of examples of Major League Baseball and NFL teams having the same name: San Francisco Giants(MLB) - New York Giants (NFL) St. Louis Cardinals(MLB) - St. Louis Cardinals(NFL)[before the move to Phoenix]
  13. There is a local high school that wears something like the orange one. While it looks cool up close, from far you can't make out the paw. I personally like the black with orange mask. Looks great. I don't care for the matte black helmets, not to mention all black, which is being done to death. I like the orange one, and the black one with the orange facemask. The Lions can bring out more orange this way. I think the matte looks good (though it needs non-shiny decals) and the black with orange mask also real nice. If they are indeed going for this basic look they should bring back the throwback helmets from 2 years ago... they were just like the one on the far right but had white and orange stripes down the center and nice big white numbers on the back. Beautiful. I've always thought the orange paw on the black background needed a white outline to make it pop... but it's still nice just orange on black. As for the orange helmet with black decal, I hate it... and cringed whenever they wore it in the past. Maybe the white outline on the decal would save it. I actually liked the orange helmet. It was the only one of its kind in the CFL. What the Lions should have done was wear their orange pants with their alternate black jerseys whenever they wore this helmet. However, I do prefer the original black helmet with the orange paw. I love the orange mask but I don't like the removal of the stripe. A single orange stripe would look awesome.
  14. I thought of that specifically while I posted my last reply, but it's not really to the same extent as the Hawks example. The Canucks should have a green alternate. I agree, the Canucks would look great in green. However, I would favour the full-body Johnny Canuck on navy blue because his green shirt would clash on a green background. That's only if the current third becomes the primary. Otherwise, have Johnny on royal blue and the Stick on navy. It keeps the "Believe in Blue" theme at Rogers Arena more consistent.
  15. Those jerseys look cool. Love the idea of making Johnny the primary, which it should be. However, I see those jerseys with the designs they have as third jerseys, not as primaries. I would certainly get my wallet out to buy one of those beauties, though!
  16. " This is my theory on what has been going on with the Canucks' current logos. Back in '06-'07, teams had the option of changing logos and/or colours for the following season, as part of the NHL's switch to the Reebok-Edge uniforms. Unfortunately, only the Canucks were not allowed to change their primary crest. Colours and design, they could change. If people recall, the Aquilini family purchased the remaining 50% ownership from John McCaw late in 2006. So many people thought that we would finally see the end of the Orca Bay-inspired orca logo. But during the league-wide switch to Reebok-Edge, the Aquilinis were being sued by their former unofficial partners, Tom Gaglardi and Ryan Beetie. Therefore, the Aquilinis were not officially approved by the NHL. It just didn't make sense for the NHL to allow a Canuck logo change, should the conditional Aquilini ownership fall through in the courts. That is why the Aquilinis hired Chris Zimmerman from NIKE to design the current copy & paste uniforms. Colours could change and a new shoulder logo was allowed. I agree that the "Vancouver" was added to sell jerseys during the Olympics and to also "dumb down" the orca. Furthermore, the Aquilinis didn't own the rights to the Johnny Canuck trademark until the ownership trial was over. I am sure that deep down inside, the Aquilinis would have happily replaced the orca with Johnny or the Stick logo. Unfortunately, they were caught between a rock and a hard place. So, it was either go half-way or keep the original orca uniforms and colours. I think this makes sense.
  17. I totally agree. The 40th anniversary jerseys are the best jerseys the Canucks have ever worn. Loved the two thick stripes. The white V on the arms and the trimming on the pants were a unique thing of beauty. I would also add green accents around the numbers as well. As for the Rink, I would go with the original one for consistency with the original stripes, but would still make the white 'C' inner border stand out with the green border closed. The thing about the skating Johnny Canuck logo that I also really like is that it incorporates all the elements of the Canucks' first two crests. Johnny is holding a white stick(white stick in Rink crest) and he is wearing skates(Speeding Skate crest). People like the Stick 'n Rink, people like the Skate, etc, etc. Cannot please everyone and past Canuck ownership groups had no one to blame but themselves. I've seen some Johnny Canuck jersey concepts and they look awesome. I know for a fact that if the Canucks were to test a Johnny jersey for a third, it would sell like crazy. Not just in Vancouver and BC, but in Canada. The thing about the orca jerseys that orca supporters like is that they have been worn by the greatest group of players in franchise history and the Canucks' growing fanbase has become "Canuck Nation". Truth is, is that orcas don't leap in and out of the water 24/7 off the coast of Vancouver. If orcas were as seen as often as Canada geese flying to/from Stanley Park, there would be more of an argument to keep the orca brand. Hockey is an extremely important part of our city's cultural makeup and the Canucks are as important to Vancouver as the Yankees are to New York or the Cowboys are to Dallas/Fort Worth. Johnny Canuck would give the Canuck name total meaning and Canuck fans, young and young-at-heart, male and female, a crest to be proud of. The thing to remember is seeing Johnny Canuck concepts on the internet is ONE thing. Seeing the Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Hodgson, and Bieksa wear Johnny and WIN with Johnny would be the "tip of the iceberg". Speaking of Canuck players, both Luongo and Schneider(who's American) proudly wear Johnny on their masks. Not an orca logo is seen.
  18. Exactly. They made two primary logos, both of which contrast perfectly against their respective jerseys but didn't bother to give the same treatment to the shoulder patches. Only thing holding the set back IMO Canucks pre lock-out made even less sense, because their 3rd/vintage jersey had the white version of the stick in the rink. You mean like this? Yeah, on the white jerseys, those shoulder patches looked great, but on the dark jerseys, you can barley notice they are there. I never liked the blue stick in the white rink. It just doesn't stand out like the white stick in the blue rink. I was very happy with what the Canucks did with their current thirds. What makes the latter stand out more is the white inner border forms the 'C'. Even on the original logo, the white inner border adds more distinction between the green border and the blue rink. It's not much different than the Islanders' white NY in the blue circle. Some crests are not meant to be inverted. Crests of the Leafs, Flames, North Stars, and Whalers have a more defined shape, in which inverting makes sense.
  19. It worked for Buffalo Sabre fans. Remember the SabresNotSlugs website? If you don't shoot, you don't score. It's more than worth a try.
  20. The new primary has grown on me, but I would soon hate it if it's an excuse to go to black helmets. They've always looked good in the red. Ideally the [stampeders] tweek the galloping horse to help differentiate it from US College team(s) that use it and the Ford Mustang... No. I grew up with that horse, which the Stampeders have used since 1965. The car companies and the US colleges can go change their logos. ALWAYS loved the Stampeders' red look. The black helmets make them look like an Ottawa team(Rough Riders/Renegades). The Stamps' best unis are their red and silver ones. Time for both Calgary teams to do what baseball's Blue Jays and Mets have done. Ditch the black. Red and only red is a Calgary colour. If the NASL's Calgary Boomers had known that, perhaps they would have survived another season or two, lol. they are the red & white and for that reason the green & gold should actually be green & gold--not green & yellow I totally agree. If I remember correctly, when the Eskimos had the old Double E logo during their dynasty, the helmet striping was like the Green Bay Packers, but their gold WAS a gold not yellow like the Packers and what the Esks wear now. Time for the Esks, like many other CFL teams, to go back to their classic "big-league" look.
  21. The new primary has grown on me, but I would soon hate it if it's an excuse to go to black helmets. They've always looked good in the red. Ideally the [stampeders] tweek the galloping horse to help differentiate it from US College team(s) that use it and the Ford Mustang... No. I grew up with that horse, which the Stampeders have used since 1965. The car companies and the US colleges can go change their logos. ALWAYS loved the Stampeders' red look. The black helmets make them look like an Ottawa team(Rough Riders/Renegades). The Stamps' best unis are their red and silver ones. Time for both Calgary teams to do what baseball's Blue Jays and Mets have done. Ditch the black. Red and only red is a Calgary colour. If the NASL's Calgary Boomers had known that, perhaps they would have survived another season or two, lol.
  22. That's what I call a great look. With the Millionaires' Stanley Cup centennial just three seasons away, I see the Canucks donning the Millionaires' look for a few games in 2014-15. That includes a possible Winter Classic vs Ottawa, the team the Millionaires defeated in 1915. Fred "Cyclone" Taylor would be proud.
  23. Very, VERY SHARP Canucks concept!! Johnny Canuck actually looks great on a navy blue background. That would be my look for a Johnny Canuck jersey. As for Ryan Kesler, he may be American, but who cares. He plays and works as hard as Johnny. Two suggestions, though: one, how about using block numerals with green accents? Never liked the Canucks' current number font. I know it's their club font, but it doesn't look good nor does it stand out on a sweater. Every other Canuck uniform has used block numerals. Two, I would even add some green in the V-neck. Nevertheless, a great concept indeed!
  24. LOVE this Jets concept! Aviator(light blue) as the primary colour and traditional block numerals with vertical lining symbolizing the military. Send that to Jets ownership ASAP!
  25. A close buddy of mine has started a petition that will be forwarded to the Vancouver Canucks' ownership and marketing department in regards to replacing the controversial orca logo with the updated Skating Johnny Canuck logo. This is a subject that he and I both feel very strongly about. In all due respect to the past identities the Canucks have had in their 41-year history and the Canuck fans who have cherished their favourite logo(s), colour scheme(s), and uniform(s), it's time for the Canucks to finally do the right thing - go with Johnny Canuck. As much as I love the classic and elegant Stick and Rink(original and updated), the biggest mistake this franchise had made was not going with Johnny from Day One. There are people, including myself, feel that this mistake may have "cursed" the franchise. Now, Johnny may not be for everyone. There are critics who feel that he is cartoony and has no business being on the front of a hockey sweater. I was ONE of those fans. Back '94, when the Canucks played Toronto in the Western Final, Don Cherry on Coach's Corner talked about his playing days in Vancouver in the old Western Hockey League. He talked about Johnny Canuck and how it would look great on the Canucks' uniforms. I simply didn't want a human character for a logo and was more than happy with the Speeding Skate crest we had at the time. There is still a lot of love for the '94 look. Two years later, Rogers Sportsnet's Don Taylor, who used to have a weekly column in the Vancouver Province had mentioned his desire to see the return of the famous lumberjack. With rumours of the Canucks replacing the Skate, Taylor was very serious in what he was talking about. "What the heck is a Canuck?", many people have asked and continue to ask, to this very day. I swallowed my Canuck pride and realized that with a name like "Canucks", there was no better identity for the franchise than Johnny Canuck. Unfortunately, the former ownership, Orca Bay Sports & Entertainment wanted their corporate animal as the primary logo. Their first mistake before signing Mark Messier. Their original plan was to even change the team's name to "Orcas", because the Canucks name wouldn't sell in the US. Even more embarrassing was reading Orca Bay's spin on the logo after its unveiling: a Canuck is a Western Canadian! I didn't know whether to laugh or cry after reading that statement. Fast forward to now. The Canucks have been one of the best and one of the most exciting teams in hockey over the past few years. However, there are two things that the club has yet to accomplish. The obvious: Lord Stanley's Cup. The other: its true identity on the uniforms. A Johnny Canuck jersey set will finally give this franchise the identity it has always lacked and the proud and loyal fans a crest they can be proud to wear. Johnny may have a cartoony look but it doesn't look overly animated like the Islanders' disasterous Captain Highliner logo from the mid 90s. To me, Johnny is more comparable to the Blackhawks' Chief Black Hawk crest. Even the Boston Celtics' classic leprechaun logo looks more cartoony. For those who do support the orca, I don't disagree. It does symbolize Canada's west coast and British Columbia's Haida heritage. However, an orca does NOT represent the history of the Canucks' proud name and history. The Canucks' current orca doesn't even have that true fearsome Haida look. Furthermore, the lumber industry has been big in BC for many, many years and the City of Vancouver was built on the lumber industry. As for the colours, the blue and green aren't going ANYWHERE. They are the Canucks' original and current colours and they scream Vancouver and BC. So at least, that's a step in the right direction. So, whether you're a Canucks fan or not, please check out the petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/scraptheorca/ Thank you for your attention. All opinions and ideas welcome. Cheers! **Fin the mascot can stay. Even the Jets kept their moose mascot. Got to keep the kids happy.**