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4 minutes ago, See Red said:

You just made the single most-compelling argument for the committee to select Alabama as one of the four best teams.

An opinion? That's not enough to support adding Alabama. There should be more involved than that. If Rodamaker (?) whipped Louisville in the ACC Championship with 3 TDs and 250 yards, would Alabama still be involved? Unlikely. But the opinion that a team using their third string QB, who wouldn't even be the starter in the playoffs, didn't do enough is why FSU is sitting at home. 

3 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

Why are you so focused on Alabama and completely ignoring one-loss Texas getting in over FSU.  it’s really just about you hating Alabama, isn’t it?

Alabama lost to Texas, so they should be sitting behind Texas. FSU should have been #3 and Texas at 4. I think that actually makes for better games without the presence of Alabama. Now, we're all expecting #19 for the Tide. 

New England vs. Pittsburgh

Houston vs. NY Jets

LA Rams vs. Baltimore

Carolina vs. New Orleans

Indianapolis vs. Cincinnati

Tampa Bay vs. Atlanta

Jacksonville vs. Cleveland

Detroit vs. Chicago

Seattle vs. San Francisco

Minnesota vs. Las Vegas

Denver vs. LA Chargers

Buffalo vs. Kansas City

Philadelphia vs. Dallas

Green Bay vs. NY Giants

Tennessee vs. Miami

9 minutes ago, Sport said:

 

The faculty voted to turn down the invitation to the Rose Bowl because "Football was becoming too big at The Ohio State University" and I've always kind of thought that maybe they had a point. LOL Can you imagine that ever happening now? 

My former school had a Sunday rule, similar to BYU. When they moved up to Division II from NAIA, that rule was weirdly forgotten as soon as they were approved. To be fair, they also didn't allow dancing when I went there, but had "creative movement" classes for those seeking a BA in theater arts. Now they are happy to call things exactly what they are. If we still had a football team they would not vote to sit out the playoffs if the championship game was moved to Sundays. BYU reportedly still has this rule, but other than the NCAA men's tournament a couple years ago, I've never heard them invoke it. 

NBC out of the UFL broadcast package. Fox, ESPN. ABC, and FS1 are in. 

In other news, I was able to upgrade my seats to a sky box for the Brahmas this year. The cost basically doubled my season tickets, but I have comfier seats, a better view and unlimited food service. It's $650/seat, so not too bad.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39042798/copa-america-semifinals-new-jersey-charlotte

The locations for 2024 Copa America have been announced.

And the pots. USA is in Pot A because they are the highest ranked team in Concacaf, Mexico for winning the Gold Cup. 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67620591

UEFA will up the amount of automatic berths from 4 to 9 for the Women's Champions League starting with the 2025-2026 season. They will also have a secondary competition which will be a knockout competition with a 2 legged final. Were this in place this year, Manchester United women would have avoided playing qualifying tournaments as the second best team in England and gone straight into the group stage. 

8 hours ago, PERRIN said:

Unless the 12-team playoff format guarantees slots to conference champions, and then sorts out the remaining seeds based on legitimate statistical tiebreakers like any sane league would, I'm not optimistic that the new format is going to be any less biased and miserable as the current, though the likelihood of an obviously competitive and deserving team being fleeced would be lowered. After the top six or seven teams, there's a point where any team with 2 losses has a legitimate case for a spot, and some teams will inevitably get left out, but it would be far less egregious than what happened to FSU.

 

I'd love to see a playoff formatted as follows:

Seeds 1-4 go to Power Four conference champions, regardless of record.

Seeds 5-8 go to the next four best at-large teams, by record.

9-12 is simply chaos. There isn't really a good way to determine for sure which teams are more deserving of others if they don't have conference accolades or as impressive records compared to the above teams. So long as no 3-loss teams sneak in, unless there simply aren't enough 2-loss teams, I'll be happy.

 

This is by no means an ideal solution, but it'd be something. Use computers to decide the final seeds for all I care.

Only the top 5 league champs are guaranteed a berth. 

4 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

People love football. And people LOVE playoff/tournament setups (college basketball would be nothing without the tournament). I dunno, seems like a way to straight up print money to me. 

Loyalty to broken systems is the problem here. We'll have 10 9 leagues, and Notre Dame next year. In every other division, those leagues would have a guaranteed spot as long as they met certain requirements. Giving every league a spot leaves 3 slots for either Notre Dame or the first team out of the playoffs and so the P5 couldn't let that be the case. They're already looking at going back and reducing the conference champs slots from 6 to 5, but I think letting that 6th spot remain would improve the product. Do I think Liberty and SMU would win out? Not a chance. But you're getting more buy-in from leagues like the AAC, MAC, and Conference USA if they know that a 10-2 league champ gets a chance at the bigger slice of pie by traveling to Clemson for a playoff game than they'd get for playing in the Idaho Potato Bowl in flippin' Boise? It's possible for a 11-2 SEC team to do that, but not a Sun Belt team whose two losses could be by as little as 3 points apiece to Power 5 squads that are also in the playoffs? Are they on the same level? No. But neither are Alma University and Mount Union, but they still got the chance to try, and they succeeded.  Remember when there were too many bowls because we didn't have enough 6-6 teams? Guess what? We still do because Minnesota is going bowling with a 5-7 record this year. 

9 minutes ago, MJD7 said:

And, truthfully, I don't really care if FSU doesn't "look" as good as some of the other teams, they earned their way in by winning every single one of their games and deserved at least a chance to compete.

Remember when Miami was going to wax Ohio State because they barely beat Michigan 14-9 in 2002? The field is where it was settled instead of a conference hall. Hopefully we see changes to how those 12 slots get decided next year. 

5 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

Weird... that didn't stop Georgia from scoring 43.

 

Hm... maybe LSU struggled on offense in their rivalry game vs Florida...

 

Oh wait, that was the game Jayden Daniels alone had 600 yards, so that theory doesn't check out.  How else can we excuse this teams terrible play?

And Michigan had trouble with Iowa and still got the top seed. Records should mean more than "vibes". It's the standard in every other level of football except for FBS, and it's bloody annoying. 

1 minute ago, See Red said:

 

Again, Florida State had 224 total yards against a Florida defense that gave up 215 to Kentucky's RUNNING BACK (singular... one guy... Ray Davis) in JUST THE FIRST HALF.

 

That was with Tate Rodemaker at QB.

It's also a rivalry game. Alabama was on the ropes against USF, and survived Auburn with a completely healthy quarterback. Punishing teams for the loss of one player is ridiculous. Texas earning a spot doesn't mean Alabama has to get in with them. 

3 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

FPI and SP+ are meant to be predictive, they're not resume tools.

 

Florida State has a good defense but they're not world beaters.  We literally just saw Michigan play a team with a great defense but an inept offense in the Big Ten Championship Game and it was unwatchable as you would expect it to be.  Except Florida State's defense isn't on the same planet as Iowa's and without Jordan Travis, their offense might actually be worse.  This is a Florida State team that had 224 total yards against a Florida defense that gave up 215 to Kentucky's RUNNING BACK (singular... one guy... Ray Davis) in JUST THE FIRST HALF.

 

None of you are anywhere near grateful enough that the merciful committee spared us another Georgia/TCU or, more appropriately, the last time a middling FSU team stumbled through a weak ACC into the CFP and we got this gem.

 

People seem to think that the rookie was going to be the one handling the play calling when Rodaberger would be good to go by January 1st. And even if the freshman had to start, let's see what he looks like with 15 practices as the starter instead of 3-4 practices that he got at a minute's notice. 

12 hours ago, MJD7 said:

It's never gonna happen, but college football desperately needs a drastic realignment to 4 or 8 conferences where the conference championship is quite literally the means by which every team gets a playoff spot. This subjective, "eye test," beauty pagaent stuff is complete nonsense. There should be no reason any undefeated team doesn't even get a chance to compete for the title.

The conference championships are just for seeding now, starting next year. And I still expect some shenanigans with how first round matchups get put together from next season as well. They'll want to avoid replays, which means Ohio State vs Penn State in the first round wouldn't happen. Instead if Ohio State is the number 5 team they will get the G5 champions, instead of that G5 team getting an easier matchup. They're only guaranteed a place on the field, nothing more. 

2 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Been out of the country all week so haven’t had the ability to respond, but college football is a joke. The BCS was a bad system, but this is immeasurably worse. At least with the BCS you could blame the computers. But with this, there were actual people who sat down and made this choice. 

 

Putting a one loss Bama or Texas over FSU would be pretty bad, but to put BOTH of them in over FSU and leaving them out just feels like a shameless cash grab where they decided the TV money was better and that was more important than the actual results. That’s downright shameful. 
 

College football has a fundamental problem with how they finish their season, and it’s so bad that I can’t take any of this seriously and have basically lost interest in the sport. 
 

I know they’re expanding the playoff next season, but if they keep this round table of “experts” around to make the choices I certainly don’t have any faith in them getting that right, either. 
 

This is a very bad time for college sports for anyone who doesn’t have a financial stake in it. Which is basically all of us. 

At least computers don't worry about bias like humans do. That the FPI (ESPN's own computer) had the top three teams being from the Big Ten was amazingly insane.  People keep saying FSU would have guaranteed Michigan a national title, but wouldn't you keep them in front of Texas? Those would still be compelling games, especially when you see how tough that Seminole defense played on Saturday. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Famous_Toastery_Bowl

This replaces the Bahamas Bowl, which is having stadium renovations at the moment. It's at Jerry Richardson Stadium in Charlotte. 

On 12/2/2023 at 6:03 PM, the admiral said:

Good. Gambling should be opposed. It's a decadent and corrosive force. 

I'm surprised Texas leadership hasn't allowed it, since they're settling for handing their buddies mistresses jobs they aren't qualified for instead.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0aAx7zsk_C/?igshid=ZDE1MWVjZGVmZQ==

New game logo for the Frisco Bowl.

5 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

Who would the BCS computer have put into the playoffs? Do we still have someone who formulates this out there?

According to one article I just saw, it was Georgia, with Ohio State at 5.

ESPN's computer is even weirder because it had Ohio State at 2, followed by Penn State!

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/espns-final-computer-rankings-leave-college-football-fans-baffled

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1731327409075421597?t=4ywnBwx6ktG0VwS-O3FYLw&s=19

32 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

30 years was a long time ago. Get over it. NFL fans aren't still crying about losses that happened 30 years ago. I can assure you Raiders fans have gotten over the Immaculate reception happening on them. Probably the tuck rule too.

NFL fans complain when teams say that they have more titles because their team won them before the Super Bowl existed. Raiders fans don't get to complain because they got a similar bit of luck with the Holy Roller. 

1 hour ago, McCall said:

I got my tickets ordered and I'm ready to go.

I might have to make the trip. Let's see if the Buckeyes defense has another gear. I'll be sad if Marvin Harrison and Tre don't play, but not surprised. 

2 hours ago, 4_tattoos said:

I'd expect them to reshuffle some of this next year to avoid rematches, even though they didn't say they would. 

1 hour ago, CaliforniaGlowin said:

They both don't have to wear yellow pants. And they usually only play each other in exhibition games.

Royal blue and powder blue don't separate themselves enough to be useful. 

This works because City's sky blue is lighter than the Chargers powder blue. It also helps that Chelsea uses a darker blue than the Rams royal blue. 

26 minutes ago, oldschoolvikings said:

It should be;

 

Michigan

Washington

Texas

Alabama

 

I have no idea if it will be, tho.  
 

Florida State is no better than the ninth or tenth best team.  IDGAF about conference championships.  

The committee has said they value championships. It has to acknowledge this one even if the game was horrible to watch. The backup should be back by December 31, so that will be taken into consideration as well. 

After the BS penalty call when the guy literally tripped over his own feet, I thought the game was over. Columbus would have lost this game if it was played a month ago, but the team just doesn't want the season to end. Columbus has relied on defense for most of the playoffs, but a high scoring game has to be better for them than in most years though. Acosta should have taken himself out when all he could do was occupy space. That's not the only thing that hurt FCC, but that's the point in the game where you need to get into areas by running your tail. 

7 hours ago, See Red said:

 

I mean in regards to Alabama-FSU.  Texas is in, no doubt, in my opinion.

 

This comes down to if Alabama should be punished for scheduling and losing to the #3 team while FSU didn't play a comparable opponent.  There's not really a good answer there's no precedent to either getting left out.  And the one that makes the most sense on paper (FSU) means putting in the team that would be a heavy underdog between the two.  The key here is that the one win FSU can hang their hat on (LSU), Alabama can match.  Without that, there's no conversation, imo.  I'm indifferent.  To me it's the difference between watching FSU get throttled in a playoff game vs having to listen to FSU fans complain about how they were screwed before their team sits out a bowl game and they got throttled by, like, Georgia.

FSU scheduled and beat the potential Heisman trophy winner on a neutral field. That has to count just as much as the Alabama loss to Texas.

Texas blows out Oklahoma State, and Alabama currently leads Georgia. If results hold this should be a very interesting discussion tomorrow.