The_Admiral Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Yeah, major leaguers must be champing at the bit to play in such a conducive-to-baseball environment as Las Vegas. Seems like a pretty miserable experience. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffin128 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Yeah, major leaguers must be champing at the bit to play in such a conducive-to-baseball environment as Las Vegas. Seems like a pretty miserable experience. God, if only someone could invent a way to enclose a stadium and insulate it from the elements. God, oh God why has such an invention never been invented!Just like it's fun playing baseball in Boston in April when it's 40 degrees for a month, please, they do fine in Phoenix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenchy Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Okay, how about this.1. The name "Nationals" and "Nats" will have been fairly established by the time new ownership comes in.2. "Senators" has a connotation of futility, and the DC city council doesn't like it.3. "Grays" is ill-advised, because this beloved Negro League team was actually a Pittsburgh team that played in Washington now and then, and really, what is grey? Boring. Bland. Stripped of color. Flat. Dull. Is that what you're selling? Nobody's thinking "oh, how delightful that they're paying a rightful tribute to the erstwhile Homestead Grays of the Negro League!", they're thinking of a concrete wall and an overcast sky.Just leave the name alone. I'm with you.Besides, I like the nickname "Nasty Nats," which was around even before one of B-W's fellow bloggers took it for his site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Yeah, major leaguers must be champing at the bit to play in such a conducive-to-baseball environment as Las Vegas. Seems like a pretty miserable experience. God, if only someone could invent a way to enclose a stadium and insulate it from the elements. God, oh God why has such an invention never been invented!Just like it's fun playing baseball in Boston in April when it's 40 degrees for a month, please, they do fine in Phoenix. It's going to take even longer and cost more money to build the necessary retractable-roof dome in Vegas. It's a moot point, since baseball doesn't want to be there. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffin128 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Wrong. Baseball DOES want to be there. More than anywhere other than D.C.The problem is that Vegas makes alot of money taking bets on baseball, none of which gets filtered back to MLB. So MLB would be foolish to reward them with a team and allow them to turn a profit on baseball bets they take and own a team. If Vegas would stop taking odds on baseball Vegas would have a team almost instantly. That's why the NBA isn't there, the NFL or the NHL. Same reason, they would all love to tap that market. It's huge and far away from competing markets. But vegas will never close the sportsbook.It's purely a money thing, please they build stadiums with roof's regardless of cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 They should explore Portland, Norfolk, San Antonio, and Nashville first. There are so many things wrong with a Las Vegas team. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffin128 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 other than the gambling what are the problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog64 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 The population of the Las Vegas metropolitan area primarily consists of service industry workers who earn very little. The most recent (2004) statistics show greater Vegas ranking #82 in the USA in terms of personal income.This is not the kind of population that can support a Major League Baseball team-not yet at least. The Washington metro area ranked #4, which is one of the reasons that made it so attractive as a candidate for a relocated team. Consider not only ticket sales and suite holders, but advertising dollars-Vegas may be a boom town, but the demographics are all wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Wrong. Baseball DOES want to be there. More than anywhere other than D.C....Same reason, they would all love to tap that market. It's huge and far away from competing markets. Huge? If the 1990s showed us anything, it's that so-called "developing markets" make for very lousy sports cities.Vegas falls into that category. There's no evidence to show that it could support a major league franchise, and plenty to suggest that it couldn't.What evidence do you have that MLB wants to be in Vegas at all, much less "more than anywhere other than D.C."? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYMetropolitan Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Las Vegas?The same Las Vegas that is the 48th largest TV market, and 32nd largest metro area in America? This is where MLB wants to be "more than anywhere other than D.C."?It would make more sense to move a team to the NY or LA area before moving a team to Las Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 DOOD IT'S GROWING RLY FAST IT'S GON BE BIG $$$Does anyone think Norfolk/Hampton Roads would infringe on the Nats? I mean, it seems like it's right between Braves territory and Natiorioles territory without being really devoted to either one, and it would be a one-team town like SLC, Portland, and San Antonio of the NBA, which could mean good things in terms of coverage and ticket sales. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 DOOD IT'S GROWING RLY FAST IT'S GON BE BIG $$$ Which is the perfect reason why it shouldn't be considered a decent sports market, until there is substantial reason to think otherwise."Developing" markets make for lousy sports towns. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 DOOD IT'S GROWING RLY FAST IT'S GON BE BIG $$$Does anyone think Norfolk/Hampton Roads would infringe on the Nats? I mean, it seems like it's right between Braves territory and Natiorioles territory without being really devoted to either one, and it would be a one-team town like SLC, Portland, and San Antonio of the NBA, which could mean good things in terms of coverage and ticket sales. The Norfolk/Tidewater region has been after a major league team in any form for some time. I seem to recall seeing that they still planned to build a MLB compatible ballpark even after the Nats were announced. All I can say for (relative) certainty is that one league or another will try there eventually. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffin128 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 DOOD IT'S GROWING RLY FAST IT'S GON BE BIG $$$ Which is the perfect reason why it shouldn't be considered a decent sports market, until there is substantial reason to think otherwise."Developing" markets make for lousy sports towns. What are these other "developing markets" that are lousy sports towns. Name an example.And before you respondCharlotte - Hurricanes, middle of the pack attendance Panthers top 10 in attendance.Phoenix - Cardinals , dead last forever. But they play in a college stadium and the team stinks hard. DBacks - middle of the attendance pack. Coyotes - middle of the attendance pack.Tampa - Bucs - middle of the pack. Lightning - ,iddle of the pack. DBacks - top third of attendanceWhat city in 2006 America is an "developing" market. You talk about it like it's Honduras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 They don't mean "developing" as a euphemism for third-world, you know. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 "Developing" simply means experiencing a population boom. I don't mean it in any derogatory way.Nice of you to omit the three worst performers:Florida Marlins: competing for lowest attendance in baseball, even during championship years.Tampa Bay Devil Rays: they're who the Marlins compete with. Couldn't sell out more than one game in their first season of play.Jacksonville Jaguars: Are their games still blacked out?Disgraceful performance.With the sole exception of the Panthers, support is soft at best in all the locations with growing populations. And in several cases, it's downright disastrous. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VitaminD Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 And before you respondCharlotte - Hurricanes, middle of the pack attendance Panthers top 10 in attendance. Check your map. The Hurricanes play 3 hours east of Charlotte, in Raleigh. Different parts of the state, different media markets, different everything. Charlotte's other major league team is the Bobcats; the next biggest thing in Raleigh (besides WiB) is NC State, and dropping a giant acorn statue on New Year's Eve. "Start spreading the news... They're leavin' today... Won't get to be a part of it... In old New York..."In order for the Mets' run of 12 losses in 17 games to mean something, the Phillies still had to win 13 of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffin128 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 "Developing" simply means experiencing a population boom. I don't mean it in any derogatory way.Nice of you to omit the three worst performers:Florida Marlins: competing for lowest attendance in baseball, even during championship years.Tampa Bay Devil Rays: they're who the Marlins compete with. Couldn't sell out more than one game in their first season of play.Jacksonville Jaguars: Are their games still blacked out?Disgraceful performance.With the sole exception of the Panthers, support is soft at best in all the locations with growing populations. And in several cases, it's downright disastrous. But I don't think Miami or Tampa would be considered "developing" markets.Miami has a huge market, and they explained in another thread why the Marlins don't draw. It's not the market size.Thats's the same reason why the D-Rays don't draw. Not market size, crap team.Also Jacksonville's attendance2005 20th place2004 14th place2003 31st place2002 30th place2001 21st placeMy point only was that Vegas is a major American city now. Much more than Norfolk. And don't be foolish, the only reason that there is no professional sports teams there is because of sports betting. It's not per capita income, it's not market size. It's gambling.Vegas is a growing market but it's plenty developed.Since the 90's the NFL has expanded in Charlotte and Jacksonville? the NHL has expanded in Nashville? and Columbus? the NBA has expanded to Vancouver, Orlando and Charlotte TWICE! and MLB tried to move the Expos to Portland and Norfolk?Vegas is never even mentioned in any leagues expansion because of the gambling only. That's the only reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooter Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Tampa Bay Devil Rays: they're who the Marlins compete with. Couldn't sell out more than one game in their first season of play. (yawn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDwas Posted May 8, 2006 Author Share Posted May 8, 2006 So...after striking out (*rimshot*) with their red Sunday alternates on a Thursday against the Mets and a Wednesday against the Reds, the Nats finally realized that they should actually wear them on a Sunday. Huh.And they won. Not only that - they won on a day other than Friday! Oh, how pleased I am. Tomorrow's just your future yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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