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I saw this video about 7 years ago and then never heard from Kronum again. 

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12 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

 

 

I saw this video about 7 years ago and then never heard from Kronum again. 

 

 

That is a seriously cool looking sport.

It is the best thing since 43-man squamish.

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2 hours ago, McCarthy said:

 

 

2 hours ago, McCarthy said:

I saw this video about 7 years ago and then never heard from Kronum again. 

 

I remember seeing that as well and thinking, "That's a cool idea, but it'll never take off because (i) the rules are too hard for an average person to follow, and (ii) a field that's 230 feet in diameter can't be accommodated on about 90% of all available outdoor stadia where it in theory would be played.  NFL stadia footprints are less than 200 wide, while with baseball parks you'd invariably put some part of the field within the infield, probably in the process being unable to address the "infield lip" that most parks have.

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14 minutes ago, Mac the Knife said:

 

 

 

I remember seeing that as well and thinking, "That's a cool idea, but it'll never take off because (i) the rules are too hard for an average person to follow, and (ii) a field that's 230 feet in diameter can't be accommodated on about 90% of all available outdoor stadia where it in theory would be played.  NFL stadia footprints are less than 200 wide, while with baseball parks you'd invariably put some part of the field within the infield, probably in the process being unable to address the "infield lip" that most parks have.

 

It has a real Calvinball quality to it. It's too complicated. The sports we all love are based on very simple objectives like put an object into an opponent's area. If you told me the entire thing was faked I would believe it. 

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13 hours ago, ltp74 said:

People all over the world are playing the sport(I coached in 2 World Cups) but there's barely any traditional tv exposure, mainly due to it being more of a participation sport, 90% female and very much associated with the LGBTQ community. ESPN showed a tape delayed broadcast of this past falls WFTDA Championships, they've been showing it on ESPN3 for a few years and BBC Sport showed live the final game of this years World Cup, all of those are a significant feather in the sports cap. Besides those instances everything broadcast wise is done in house by the WFTDA or event organizer, it's harder to attract new fans that way but the footage ends up on YouTube so we can direct people that way.

Right there is the reason that sport's never going to go anywhere, and it's part of the reason the WNBA never quite took off in the way people thought it would.  For all the openness that people have nowadays with respect to other people, their sexual and gender identities and preferences and what-not, there's one fundamental thing that both these leagues haven't learned:  tatted up lesbians don't sell.

 

I'm not anti-LGBTQ, nor am I anti-body art.  But men have issues attending sports events where the women competing in them in some way seem to threaten their masculinity.  And in such cases, it's not a sport they're going out of their way to take their daughters to see, either, out of fear that the daughter begins exhibiting similar behaviors.  Now that may sound ridiculous on the surface of it, and to great degree it is ridiculous.  But, we're not talking about rational thought here, but rather what influences (ticket) buying decisions.  And lesbian women sporting tattoos, while accepted, still aren't mainstream in that manner.

 

6 hours ago, McCarthy said:

It has a real Calvinball quality to it. It's too complicated. The sports we all love are based on very simple objectives like put an object into an opponent's area. If you told me the entire thing was faked I would believe it. 

It is too complicated, but Kronos is a sport that could be turned into a great indoor sport... put it on a hockey-size floor, get rid of two of the goals and all but one of the field zones.  Two teams of maybe 8 guys total.  Award a point for throwing/kicking the ball into the lower net and 2 for throwing/kicking the ball into a crown circle; then from maybe 40 feet out, have those scores worth 2 and 3 points.

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Everybody has made brilliant points. A new sport probably could flop if not immediately successful, but there are people out there who are tired of the same 4 major sports. That’s why Arena Football still exists; it has a predominantly millennial and younger fan base.

Sports that are too complicated, like Kronum, have a much harder time getting off the ground. I myself made this thread because I’ve been toying with a concept for a sport inspired by Kronum. I call it turfball (if anyone has a better name idea I’m open). It’s based off basketball and water polo, but it feels like football. It started with one rule: dribble the ball every two steps, and the pieces began to fall into place from there. No overly violent plays, or you’ll get a foul. Okay, but what defines this foul? A penalty shot or two minutes in the sun bin. So you can foul infinitely or manipulate the system to get extra penalties? That’s a new problem. Let’s say five fouls equals ejection. It goes on from there. Maybe instead I could use the yellow and red card system.

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5 hours ago, PowderedWater said:

Everybody has made brilliant points. A new sport probably could flop if not immediately successful, but there are people out there who are tired of the same 4 major sports. That’s why Arena Football still exists; it has a predominantly millennial and younger fan base.

Sports that are too complicated, like Kronum, have a much harder time getting off the ground. I myself made this thread because I’ve been toying with a concept for a sport inspired by Kronum. I call it turfball (if anyone has a better name idea I’m open). It’s based off basketball and water polo, but it feels like football. It started with one rule: dribble the ball every two steps, and the pieces began to fall into place from there. No overly violent plays, or you’ll get a foul. Okay, but what defines this foul? A penalty shot or two minutes in the sun bin. So you can foul infinitely or manipulate the system to get extra penalties? That’s a new problem. Let’s say five fouls equals ejection. It goes on from there. Maybe instead I could use the yellow and red card system.

 

A few years ago I had a thread called something like "Posts You Abandoned Before Hitting Post."

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I invented a new sport and then people eventually made concepts for it so hope that answers your question

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4 minutes ago, raysox said:

I invented a new sport and then people eventually made concepts for it so hope that answers your question

Wow, alright! That helps by proving that there is at least, always some interest.

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6 hours ago, PowderedWater said:

Everybody has made brilliant points. A new sport probably could flop if not immediately successful, but there are people out there who are tired of the same 4 major sports. That’s why Arena Football still exists; it has a predominantly millennial and younger fan base.

Sports that are too complicated, like Kronum, have a much harder time getting off the ground. I myself made this thread because I’ve been toying with a concept for a sport inspired by Kronum. I call it turfball (if anyone has a better name idea I’m open). It’s based off basketball and water polo, but it feels like football. It started with one rule: dribble the ball every two steps, and the pieces began to fall into place from there. No overly violent plays, or you’ll get a foul. Okay, but what defines this foul? A penalty shot or two minutes in the sun bin. So you can foul infinitely or manipulate the system to get extra penalties? That’s a new problem. Let’s say five fouls equals ejection. It goes on from there. Maybe instead I could use the yellow and red card system.

 

I know the admiral mentioned it earlier as a joke, but the game you're getting at here basically is handball

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23 hours ago, waltere said:

 

I know the admiral mentioned it earlier as a joke, but the game you're getting at here basically is handball

 

I dig watching handball; there were a few matches on beIN Sports in the past week.  

But the flaw in that game is that there are too many goals.  The game would be much more interesting if goals weren't such a sure thing on most attacks.  I think the goal net should be a fraction of the size that it is.  

The kronum goal is big, also; but we seem to get plenty more saves in that game than in handball, despite there not being specialist goalkeepers.

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2 hours ago, waltere said:

 

I know the admiral mentioned it earlier as a joke, but the game you're getting at here basically is handball

I guess it is an awful lot like handball...but in handball you can’t move with the ball. I was going for water polo on land or something similar. But not regular polo. More like Kronum than I initially thought. I’m working on a system with downs and yards like football.

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The biggest issue any "new" sport is going to have in breaking through with the general public is familiarity. Baseball, Football and Basketball are the most viewed sports in the US and have been played in organized, schoolyard and backyard varieties for 150ish years(baseball) and 100ish years(football and basketball). Soccer has grown in main stream popularity over the past 30 years due to more people playing it as kids/teenagers. Ice Hockey is still considered a "regional sport" by some but has grown due to people from cold weather regions moving to cities with a warmer climate and bringing their fandom with them, that's why you have youth and beer leagues in places like Arizona and Florida.  Sports like Tennis, Golf and Bowling are done all over the US for fun and when it comes to attending a live event its usually just die hard fans going and when it comes to watching on TV most viewers have played the sport sometime in there life.

 

With a new sport you don't have any of that and it's going to take a lot of time for it to grow, now it might not be 100 years but as I stated in my earlier post modern Roller Derby has gone from 20 to 30 people playing it in 2002 to it being played all over the world by both Women and Men in 2018.

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4 hours ago, ltp74 said:

The biggest issue any "new" sport is going to have in breaking through with the general public is familiarity. Baseball, Football and Basketball are the most viewed sports in the US and have been played in organized, schoolyard and backyard varieties for 150ish years(baseball) and 100ish years(football and basketball). Soccer has grown in main stream popularity over the past 30 years due to more people playing it as kids/teenagers. Ice Hockey is still considered a "regional sport" by some but has grown due to people from cold weather regions moving to cities with a warmer climate and bringing their fandom with them, that's why you have youth and beer leagues in places like Arizona and Florida.  Sports like Tennis, Golf and Bowling are done all over the US for fun and when it comes to attending a live event its usually just die hard fans going and when it comes to watching on TV most viewers have played the sport sometime in there life.

 

With a new sport you don't have any of that and it's going to take a lot of time for it to grow, now it might not be 100 years but as I stated in my earlier post modern Roller Derby has gone from 20 to 30 people playing it in 2002 to it being played all over the world by both Women and Men in 2018.

That is ssomething I didn’t consider. Also, did you know that in the 1940s, when roller derby was first invented, it was a predominantly male sport?

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When exactly did roller derby become the province of lesbians who outgrew the Renaissance Faire?

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22 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

I dig watching handball; there were a few matches on beIN Sports in the past week.  

But the flaw in that game is that there are too many goals.  The game would be much more interesting if goals weren't such a sure thing on most attacks.  I think the goal net shoud be fraction of the size that it is.

 

For those who've watched team handball (and I highly recommend it if you haven't), a question of opinion along with why you think so:  is the sport too high scoring, or too low?  If it's too high, what would reduce scoring (e.g., smaller goals)?  If you think it too low, what would increase it (e.g., smaller court size)?

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1 hour ago, the admiral said:

When exactly did roller derby become the province of lesbians who outgrew the Renaissance Faire?

Around 2003.

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3 hours ago, PowderedWater said:

That is ssomething I didn’t consider. Also, did you know that in the 1940s, when roller derby was first invented, it was a predominantly male sport?

It was invented in 1935 by Leo Seltzer and famed sportswriter Damon Runyon helped Seltzer come up with the rules, that version of the sport quickly evolved into “Sports Entertainment” with pre-determined outcomes. The teams were coed and they alternated between men and women each quarter, usually men in the 1st and 4th and women in the 2nd and 3rd. Roller Derby was based in San Francisco and run by Leo’s son Gerry and Roller Games was based in Los Angeles and much more like pro wrestling. 

 

Flat Track Roller Derby is totally legit and only has a few similarities to the old version, there’s legit banked track in Texas and California too. 

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19 hours ago, Mac the Knife said:

February 8, 2003.  Around 7:41 p.m.

You may be kidding but that his true, I’ve heard that before.

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