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4 hours ago, the admiral said:

Something that crossed my mind with Winnipeg stumbling a little bit: they've overextended the hockey market in the last few years by adding an AHL and a WHL team. The Moose are a TNSE property, yes, but they may be cannibalizing themselves a bit--when the Jets came back, they had the farm club in St. John's. I wouldn't say they should go back to that, but Rosemont would be an easy affiliation with O'Hare down the street. The old Cranbrook team may have pushed things a little too far, though. Three teams in three tiers isn't something the old Jets or Nordiques ever had to deal with. If the Jets are going to be "the only game in town," I think they actually have to be the only game in town. 

 

This is where difficult people come in and say something like "well if it's SUCH a greeeeat market, they should be able to support FIVE teams!" Well, yes and no. Not with the American economy imploding (you're along for the ride, kids) and tickets being ever more expensive. It was always going to be a somewhat sensitive market. That was understood when they went from 1 AHL team to 1 NHL team. Now here we are with three.

The Jets didn't really have any say on the ICE (yes, it is supposed to be capitalized ) coming in because they are completely unrelated and the Ice have a bit of a problem boiling. They're playing in a 1600 seat university rink that they moved to Winnipeg for 2019-20 with the promise groundbreaking on an proper sized area within five years. Going on five years later, they don't even have a parcel of land, much less a plan for an arena, much less shovels in the ground. They had a supposed plan with a local "elite" youth hockey program to go in on the arena together fairly early on after the move but that fell apart and nothing concrete has ever come up after.

There was a newspaper article back in December that said the WHL fined the Ice $500,000 because nothing has happened with the arena, but the WHL and the Ice denied it. A different newspaper's article in February said a source confirmed the fine and that the February BoG meeting was going to discuss what to do with the team and that relocation wouldn't be off the table. Nothing has come out after the meetings to my knowledge, but the Jets may not need to worry about the Ice much longer.

23 hours ago, upperV03 said:

There’s an alternate version of the new template that has horizontal seams on either side of the collar instead of the ‘V’ shaped seam that sits below the collar. The Ducks used it on their 2020 “Ohana” uniform and it’s also what Seahawks players used when testing the template in late 2020:

 

I would imagine this^ is what the Jets will get if they make the switch to the new template. 

Ahh, thanks for bringing that up. You'd hope this it was they'd go with.

19 hours ago, IceCap said:

 

3 minutes ago, MNtwins3 said:

I would imagine we are having 31 teams switch templates. The real question is are the Packers finally changing templates or are they still going to wear a jersey template from the 90s?

I'm interested/morbidly intrigued as to what the Jets jerseys look like with the template. The stripes follow the seams of the old template on the chest.

Are those stripes going to angle down now to stick with the seams? Are they going to somehow cut across across the seams? I'd imagine it make the retail version sleeves look even worse than before.

9 hours ago, jonny24 said:

Is every team going to get a new jersey this year?

There hasn't been any news of that but there was a tweet I saw that could imply Montreal is coming as well, but I don't know.

On 4/17/2023 at 7:07 PM, DCarp1231 said:

The Elks make a small addition to the helmet. Having the names of former players sublimated within the “EE” and teasing “exciting news to come“

 

 

This was a teaser for an promotion where 90 fans can pay to get their name in the logo on the helmet for the home opener

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Put your name on the iconic Double E that will be worn by the Elks during our home opener June 11 vs. Saskatchewan
Following the game each fan will receive:

• A framed set of game-worn decals — EE, Canadian flag, CFL logo, and Christian Saulsberry tribute decal — along with the autograph of one of the Elks who proudly played in the game.
• Every framed decal set will be numbered and accompanied with a certificate of authenticity.

Quantities are limited to just 90

Cost is $250 ($225 for season seat holders using their 10 per cent discount)

11 minutes ago, TenaciousG said:

Why is the A R I Z O N A so close to the top of the number? And so low below the collar? What kind of amateur hour crap is this? Reminiscent of an Adidas Eastern Washington template (and I despise Adidas college templates).

It looks like it's because of the new jersey cut. 

ARIZONA looks like it's placed the highest in can be without having to be stitched over the bottom point of the triangle where the shoulder piece of fabric meets the torso piece of fabric.

3 minutes ago, nuordr said:

If the Cardinals decide to wear the white jersey with the red pants, then the pants really won't tie into the uniform without the stripes.  But if they decide to wear the black jersey with the white pants, the stripes are aligned, and it makes the look cohesive. Then again, if they wear the red jersey with the white or black pants, the jersey doesn't have the stripes and once again it is not uniform, rather it is asymmetrical.  

 

I just like all parts of the uniform to match for cohesiveness and symmetrical design. This is why I agree with the person that designers should have OCD, that way all parts of a design is cohesive and aligned.  

 

I have the same problem with the new Calgary Stampeders uniforms as their alternate uniform using a different template than the home and road uniform. 

I think alternate jerseys should have some leeway because that's their point, to be alternate. The home and the road should be matching and parts should be interchangeable (when it comes to football pants and socks) but having a different alternate is fine when it is self contained, but still recognizable.

Like that Stamps alternate still does look like it's from the same team and still has the same flavour as the home and road. The pants are black versions of the white pants.

9 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

If they get out of Oakland before the Vegas stadium is read, where would they play? I would not think it would be in an outdoor minor-league ballpark in the desert.

Can the Arizona State baseball team fit them in?

4 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Gotta real sports logos equivalent of Silk Road going on here. 

Anyone got any style guides? Asking for a friend.

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50 minutes ago, tigers said:

 

First two are fantastic, the alt is just not even close to the first to with B4BS and looking like Ottawa.

 

In speaking to the history of the Stamps black alt, it's probably bottom two of the ones they've had. I also don't know if it's BFBS because the Stamps have worn black alts for Labour Day the past 30 years. It's a part of recent Stamps history.

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I was at the fan event where these were unveiled as part of the night. Pretty good reaction from everyone and they did a draw handing out white jerseys, probably to start to get those into circulation.

I like them and I'm glad they finally dropped black from the main set. What I don't like is that they didn't change the logos to match but I guess that has to be intentional at this point because I don't think it couldn't have been noticed by this point. They also changed the facemask to white but the bumpers and chinstrap are still black, should have changed those.

2 hours ago, Glover said:

There are a handful of southern cities that have proven themselves good NHL markets. However, on this board there is a group who like to complain about southern teams no matter what. 

By my count, looking at a map, there are 10 "southern" or "non-traditional" markets in the NHL. The three California teams, Vegas, Arizona, Dallas, Nashville, Carolina and the two Florida teams.

The only real surface level view problems in current years are are Arizona and Sunrise. Obviously there may be deeper issues when it comes to franchise value or revenue sharing or whatever, but none of the other eight seem all that unstable. There have been some shaky times, Yakuza and Iceman Cometh and Jim Balsillie,  and we'll see how much steam Vegas has but they seem fine enough now.

Not that any of that is a pro-Atlanta stance.

17 minutes ago, Point1 said:

None of those Wild concepts are better than the real thing. They've figured out the perfect balance of green, wheet, and red on both sweaters

I'll give some level of balance to the home jersey because all three colours are used fairly prominently, but is it really the perfect balance when one of those colours, wheat, doesn't appear on the away jersey (logos notwithstanding) and the only red is the numbers and the NHL collar zone?

I've never personally felt like making the numbers a different colour works for balance. If anything, it highlights the lack of red in the jersey because they stick out so much.

23 minutes ago, fortunat1 said:

I think it's just the culmination of all of their strange uni-related decisions that makes the Canes dumb. Yes it's aethstetically better that they are wearing the alt, but it's pretty silly to make such a huge deal about promoting an alternate jersey to primary status just to use a new alternate in the most important games of the year.

 

Who are they? A team who wears cyclones? A team represented by storm flags? The 'Canes? If they finally took ONE identity and went all in, it might allow them to have a cohesive look, which is the main knock towards their current set. Instead of choosing a direction and moving forward, they make these weird/unnecessary moves just to backtrack on them shortly after.

This is the reason.

They've had inconsistent and incohesive jerseys for a decade now, kept making big deals about using the black storm flag alternates in the playoffs, made those jerseys the primary and yet decide to wear a new alternate set in the first year of the playoffs with the black primary.

And not just any new alternate, a one season anniversary jersey that is a throwback jersey that is way more similar to the old primary jersey that they would never wear in the playoffs. They would never wear that old primary so much in the playoffs that they dumped it so the black jerseys could be primary, just to essentially end up at a Frankenstein square one in the first year of the black primary jerseys.

Like look at all these different mismatching looks and combinations (and this isn't even including Whalers dress up).

2 hours ago, colinturner95 said:

 

 

In surprising news from the Canes, they'll wear the throwbacks at home in the playoffs

So scratch what I just said.

What a dumb franchise.

12 hours ago, stm869011 said:

Anyway, have any teams announced if they will wear their alternate jerseys in the postseason? Unless I missed it, I haven't seen anything.

I haven't seen anything either, but the regular season is just ending so there's still time for teams to make that announcement.

From looking at the teams playing, I don't know how many we'll see.

• Boston - Florida: Florida doesn't have one and I can't see the Bruins using theirs
• Toronto - Tampa: Tampa doesn't have one and I can't see the Leafs using theirs
• Carolina - Islanders: Carolina usually wears the black alternates in the playoff but eliminated that song and dance by making the blacks the home jerseys so I can't imagine they'll use the reds in the playoffs now. Isles probably not, especially with  Lamoriello around
• New Jersey - Rangers: Rangers don't have one and as much meme play as the Jersey Jersey gets, don't think the Devils would use it in the playoffs
• Vegas - Winnipeg: No for both I would say
• Edmonton - LA: Maybe we could see the Chevy alternate from the Kings but the Oilers have to be a no after they finally went back to the royal (again)
• Dallas: Probably not
• Colorado: No, after last year especially
• Minnesota: Don't have one
• Seattle: Don't have one

7 hours ago, Bmac said:

I actually love the gray jersey. But I wish they'd swap the pants: gray with the black jersey and black with the gray jersey.

I think the black jersey with the grey pants would work but I don't know about the grey jersey with the black pants. I think black/grey/black would be a tough sell to be a light/away uniform.

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The Stamps will be unveiling their new jerseys next Tuesday. 

14 hours ago, aawagner011 said:

If this is true, I think this means a club like Atlanta, for example, could wear their true 1974 throwbacks in addition to their regular rotation. My understanding is they just wouldn’t get the full offering of merchandise from suppliers as if it were a permanent uniform and all that comes along with that (Authentic Collection on field and replica jerseys, tees, hoodies, and caps from Nike and New Era, Stance, etc). This tells me the Braves City Connect was essentially a way to milk the throwback money train full time by making it an official uniform.

2 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

The Royals are going to wear Kansas City Monarchs throwbacks on September 16 too so one off throwbacks are definitely exempt.

I think it was kind of theorized here that the 4+1 rule is for "permanent" jerseys because Nike would have to create more of those per player to be worn by the players plus the different types and amounts of resulting merchandise that are created for main set, including the Authentic Collection.

Throwbacks don't have the same amount of merchandise created, including Authentic Collection, plus Nike probably only has to make one or two jerseys per player once because the team will only be able to wear it once or twice.

Yeah, the Braves City Connect was probably an attempt to split the difference with not being able to use the retros full time anymore (if that timeline matches up).

The Angels wore their City Connects for the first time this season last night and all the ads were on the left sleeve regardless of the handedness of the batter. I was wondering what they were going to do with the asymmetric sleeve design.

Has Winnipeg been having issues? I haven't been paying attention or hearing anything.

9 hours ago, colinturner95 said:

 

as a curious American, is the tape on the helmet a decorative thing among Canadian minor hockey or does it serve a larger purpose ?

8 hours ago, nash61 said:

Typically it's a decorative thing done for playoffs. I know of some lower-level junior teams that have done it as well.

I do also know of some youth teams wearing football helmet-esque striping already, so those might be permanent looks and not just for playoffs.

I think managers/coaches should still wear the baseball pants, because I find those can be pretty comfortable and I think it would keep some level of professionality over track pants or sweats, but the tops should just be whatever on-field apparel they want (or what Nike wants them to wear), similar to NFL coaches.

The full uniforms and numbers are a relic of a bygone era.

I also don't think Kevin Cash has ever worn a jersey managering.

By definition, I guess going back to a previously worn jersey is "lazy" but it seems super reductive and an oddly hardline stance to say that since it was worn in the past, they can't go back. This isn't tech or medicine, it's jerseys. They don't always need to be evolving and teams can sure as heck rest on their laurels if they have a good jersey in their past.

I will say though, I think there have been times where teams have acquiesced to straight throwback/exactly what the team wore in the original era without taking the time to modernize or change the flaws that existed in the original set. I'm still not over the Flames dropping the Atlanta alternate captain patch, but hey, it's not what Al MacInnis wore in 1989 so it can't be there. I also think Arizona should have gone about lightening the brick and green because those jerseys are so dark with little contrast, but hey, Teppo Numminen wore those dark colours.

21 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

All debuting MLB players will get a patch on their jersey. I've never seen this before in any sport.

 

It's in partnership with Fanatics/Topps and it's just for the player's very first game and that game only. It'll be removed after the game to be later used in a rookie card.