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Correct. The brown did not change. I do believe the change in orange, however, changes the way our eyes see the brown in print/digital applications. As far as jerseys looking different, I don't think they are; it's likely lighting when you compare those two photos as again, Nike didn't change their brown. If anything, the difference in fabric from the templates would be to blame.

This confirms what I've thought all along: this is a vanity project for Dani Garcia & Dwayne Johnson, but moreso for Dani to get her into the public eye. She's constantly wearing these God-awful attire choices, including that horrific dress on the same day you're meant to put the focus on your league's uniform unveiling. For her to say these are the greatest uniforms in the history of football just shows what a complete imbecile she is, at least in relation to the sport. I wonder what she has on Dwayne from their marriage to keep him loyally supporting her all these years. He had to spearhead buying a league just so she could assume the title, "First Woman CEO in Pro Sports"....which really isn't true when you create your own company and give yourself the title. It's not like she worked her way up in sports, business and entertainment to be promoted to CEO of the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/NCAA etc. Dwayne has always been madly in love with himself; it seems these two former lovebirds are cut from the same cloth. Also, when will the powers that be at UA fire their entire staff and start over? They haven't done anything right in years in regards to uniforms, and the quality of these, combined with that presentation on those horrific mannequins, should be the final nail in the coffin. Just brutal execution all the way around.

These all really suck. As I expected. This league will be lucky to make it to a 2nd season. I just can’t fathom how people got paid to make these decisions. It drives me absolutely insane. I’d freaking do it for free just so they wouldn’t look so ridiculous and fail. I’m boarding a plane. Looking forward to getting home so I can waste hours of my life telling people I don’t know on this message board professionals don’t read how bad these are and why.

Haven't followed this thread, just jumping in to say that I think this redesign was extremely well-done, and turns their look into something pretty timeless.

I don't think it'll be an issue. They'll scale it down, it's no different than any other stripe print.

I don't think this needs to be done, and I hope they wouldn't make this mistake again. From a production standpoint, the current template wouldn't really support this anyway.

Yeah they should have no problem doing them like this. It's basically the same width as the Steelers striping now, just be prepared for the tip of the Seahawk beak to be tucked up under someone's sleeve band.

I'm a fan of Grey uniforms, and I know I'm in the minority. I actually like Detroit's Dark Steel Grey (it's not Anthracite) and Seattle's Wolf Grey as alternates. Seattle's best look is Navy/Navy/Grey, so I hope if they must get rid of the Grey jersey (do they have to?) that they at least keep the Grey pant, so that they don't go mono-Navy. The Seahawks throwbacks will look great on the modern template/fabric and I look forward to seeing them. I think there's a general swing in society starting now to go back to some more traditional things; I think it's part-nostalgia, part-burnout of everything "modern", and part-emotional desire to see things go back to simpler times as an escape for how wild & obscene today's world is. Either way, I'm in support of it.

It’s amazing they haven’t made this change yet. Just a pure no-brainer.

Navy’s new NASA uniform should catch the eyes of the Texans. The star on the top of the pant stripe is money. Just replicate the state flag as the pant stripe and shoulder cap, use a nice strong number font, brighten the Red, and change the helmet finish to Satin Navy (if not changing to White).

Nike has zero issues with Kelly Green. Ask Marshall.

I don’t hate any of these (except for the Orange pants).

Anyone else dislike the Panthers’ black helmets? I do not like at all. Their silver helmet is just so much nicer. Hard to even decipher the logo on the black helmet and the stripes don’t jive with the uniform stripes in any way.

I’m still hearing that UA uniforms are on the way, but was told that due to some type of licensing issue, UA will only be used on-field for players and coaches. Source is someone in the apparel industry who is linked to a buyer. Super odd to me, we’ll see if that’s actually true. It’ll be a big boost if they do end up in UA unis to give the league some perceived value, but to not be able to sell UA merch is a big loss.

It is definitely more Charcoal than the Bronze-ish tint it used to be. I'm not sure if that's by design but I would assume so; it's very close, if not the same, to the "Pewter" they used in their last design, so they may have made the intentional choice to carry it over.

That's a difference in fabric. Not color. These two things...they are not the same.

Can you name a current team that has a color Nike isn't accurately reproducing?

For the Detroit Lions, yes. And they do. For the Stetson Hatters? For a small town high school? No.

Again, it's not that. We're not mixing ice cream flavors here. There's a giant international production process that is involved. When you go to the car dealership, do they have every color you'd ever want in the car you want? When you go to buy sheets for your bed, is every color you could think of available? No, and it's for the same reason. Just because we can imagine it, doesn't mean we can have it made out of thin air when we want it. Last word I'll make on this topic as I have to get ready to drive to Tampa to see Adam Sandler's show tonight: this doesn't absolve Nike from some of their mistakes. Trust me, they are very bull-headed. But I think over the last few years, we've seen less issues with color than we did the first few years of the NFL uniform deal, so you have to give them some credit for fixing things, though you can still absolutely criticize them fairly on many other points. Like the Commanders uniforms.

Said much more succinctly than I just did. And now that I'm directly on the side of manufacturing apparel, and having a better understanding of what goes into sourcing and buying & dying fabric, it's even more complex than most people understand.

You're reading this right. But not thinking about it with the right perspective (business & production). Since I've used the Bosack example, let me elaborate using that and another one he did. EXAMPLE 1: STETSON UNIVERSITY Stetson Hatters athletics now have Stetson Green and Hatter Green designated as their official brand colors: https://gohatters.com/documents/2021/10/20//CLC_brand_guide_stetson.pdf?id=9153 Stetson Green: Pantone 343 C Hatter Green: Pantone 363 C However, they are a Nike school. Nike actually has 7 greens in their Nike Team Sports Color Chart, which you can seen on the next to last page here: https://niketeam-asset-download.nike.net/catalogs/2022/2022_Football_11_04_22_V2.pdf?cb=09302022 Volt Action Green Lt Green Spark Pine Green Team Kelly Green/Apple Green Team Dark Green/Gorge Green Noble Green Guess what? NONE of these are the same Pantone as Stetson Green or Hatter Green. The designer chose, either on his own or with the university itself, 2 shades of Green without either considering physical applications of these colors, whether it was a Nike uniform, Sport-Tek polo for the groundskeepers, or a Gildan t-shirt for the frat houses. I don't know how they came to these colors...I wasn't there...all I know is that they don't match what their most visible apparel provider manufactures. Heck, they may not even match the windscreen on the baseball fences, and maybe they didn't care about that, but for things like uniforms...you have to. On top of that, only Team Kelly Green and Team Dark Green are available in both stock & custom team apparel, uniforms, and footwear. It simply is not feasible for Nike to manufacture 7 different greens for a cotton t-shirt, Dri-Fit t-shirt, 2 hoodies, 2 crews, 2 sweats, and a multitude of jackets, polos, shorts, hats, socks, compression garments, uniforms, uniform accessories, etc. They have a hard enough time keeping up with their 16-18 core colors, which I'd estimate make up about 90% of colors used by most schools. The other Greens can be used via special request (an archaic manual process) via email with Nike Team, but only for product that is sublimated (Nike Digital Uniforms), and those requests have to be approved. I can tell you from experience, it's not worth the hassle. EXAMPLE #2: SUSQUEHANNA RIVERHAWKS Susquehanna University decided to rebrand away from their long-time Crusaders moniker to be politically correct, and Joe did their redesign as well. Just like he did with Stetson, he gave them a major upgrade; Joe is a skilled designer and while I have been critical to him on here and directly, this isn't a Bosack bash session. His design work is often very good and there's a reason he gets the calls to do them. Not a fan of all of his work, but he's hit some jobs out of the park, and Susquehanna's new identity is really solid. However, when it comes to color choices: https://suriverhawks.com/documents/2021/9/21//SU_RivershawkStyleGuide_2017.pdf?id=2936 Susquehanna Maroon: Pantone 7421c Susquehanna Orange: Pantone 1585c Susquehanna Grey: 428c NONE of these are exact matches for Nike's 6 Dark Red/Maroon colors, 3 Oranges, or 6 Greys. We ended up choosing Team Cardinal for their Maroon. Their Orange was just about directly in between Team Orange and Bright Ceramic (TN Orange). Ultimately, the AD just picked what was available from Nike...which is where the process should have begun (they've been a Nike school forever). The teams look great and most people never notice, but for the discerning eye, you'll notice that their uniforms & apparel don't match their printed branding around campus. But yeah, Nike isn't going to just start making every product in their team catalog in your specific PMS colors, just because that's the crayon you picked out of the box. So, when branding a program, it's important to confer with the right people in delivering it physically, not just in athletics but in signage, construction, etc. to make sure it'll work. Look, matching Susquehanna's Grey to Nike's 2-3 Light Greys was easy, and it's not that big of a deal, but the Maroon & Orange on the field do not match what's in their Brand Style Guide. Maybe I'm the whackjob that cares, and most other people don't, but to me, that detail matters. Keep in mind, for major college programs and the NFL, MLB, NBA, it's different. They're going to do special things for those teams. The Seahawks are an example: that's where Action Green came from. But don't expect to find Action Green everything; most of their merch sold is Navy, Grey, or White and Action Green is printed/embroidered on. They're simply not going to move enough volume of Action Green everything to warrant manufacturing it. Ditto with the Miami Heat...they'll move tons of Vice City merch, but that doesn't mean that Nike is going to add Blue PMS 298 C and Fuschia PMS 2385 C to every team product line in the catalog. In fact, neither are. For Stetson, Kelly Green simply was too far off from Hatter Green to make it work. Team Dark Green/Gorge Green was an easy choice for Stetson Green and no one knows the difference, but we had to go through a process to get Hatter Green added by Nike, and even now that it's added, they are not making stock or custom fabrics in Hatter Green - it can only be used in certain applications, typically sublimated (Nike Digital) uniforms or features on cut & sew (Nike Custom) uniforms, such as numbers, logos, and stripes. Can't order a Hatter Green football jersey. You can order Team Dark Green or Team Kelly Green, but you can't just order Hatter Green. And for the sale rep & equipment manager/coach ordering these uniforms, instead of just designing them online in their builder, saving the design, and using that saved design number in the order when placing it with the dealer, which can be done in under an hour, the uniform now has to be designed in the builder, then an email has to go to Nike Team, you wait 2-4 weeks to get .pdf designs back from their staff with the appropriate colors & fonts, and then you can manually submit the order through the dealer. Ordering timelines are everything, and sometimes you wouldn't get the .pdfs back from Nike for 6 weeks, and you'd miss deadlines or uniforms would deliver late, and there was no reasonable escalation process. Again, a nightmare. And that really falls back on Nike for not having a better process, too. Again, if Notre Dame signs with Nike and they want to start using Hatter Green for their green football jersey, Nike will make it happen for them, but they're not going to do it on a mass scale for small colleges & high schools; that's what the product offerings in Nike Team are for. And that, for those of you still with me, is why you can't just pick a crayon out of the box and say "This is our color." Unfortunately, that's what designers whose only job is to create something on screen that looks cool do, and they're not entirely at fault because production & delivery is not their area of expertise. When you have no skin in the game when it comes to manufacturing, you just do what looks good, rather than what works in real life. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk.

WOW. Those are beautiful! Embedding both here, they display a little larger. This is great Photoshop work. These needed to be added some way, some how to their uniform set as an alternate. Would be curious to see these in today's Honolulu Blue with the current logo.

After playing every game in the 90's unis on Madden for a few hours, I switched to their current unis and I instantly became more appreciative of them, but you 100% nailed it: they simply added too much. The helmet looks good, the Grey pants look good; they just need to remove the sleeve logos and go back to the 90's number font and this would be an incredible set. I disagree with you on Nike's use of Grey, but that's just a personal thing as I enjoy Grey unis more than your average fan. It gets messy when you use Grey twice, as they've attempted to do with the numbers, especially with Honolulu Blue in the mix as there's not enough contrast. They tried 2 mid-tone Greys, using their Dark Steel Grey rather than Anthracite for the number outline with their Blue Grey/Pewter/Silver whatever theyr'e calling it today. The Tennessee Vols show you how to do it with their Smokey Mountain Grey uniforms, where the Anthracite is dark enough to contrast with Dark Steel Grey, and then their Tennessee Orange is so vibrant that you get dark, medium, and light contrast levels that work together properly. Honolulu Blue, Blue Grey, and Dark Steel Grey are all mid-tones so it just turns into a muddled mess. So yes, I agree: remove the sleeve logos and then revert back to a number font similar to the 90s unis, with White fill and Grey fill (that matches their helmet/pants) and call it a day. Lastly, I disagree on the Blue pants and think they should be retired, unless they must be used for a Color Rush set. With a Silver helmet, the pants must always be Silver/Grey. The Blue makes the uniform bottom-heavy. My opinion.

That is the only drawback…they’re a little Cowboys-ish.