Gothamite

Rochester Red Wings (AAA affiliate / Minnesota Twins) will be unveiling a new logo (and merchandise) at a fan event on 11/1/13 at 3:30 PM.

The typography on this graphic doesn't exactly fill me with hope.

I DO NOT LIKE BRANDIOSE. I DON'T EVEN LIKE THEIR PORTMANTEAU OF "BRAND" AND "GRANDIOSE."

I don't like the name either, as "grandiose" denotes a sense of scale and majesty, something that's never actually found in their work.

But at least it's better than Plan B, which sounds like what you do when everything else has gone wrong (which is why it's also the name for an emergency morning-after contraception pill).

Better, I guess, but why is he on a jet ski?

I think "Sun Dogs" is much worse, actually.

Well, that's better than anything in the initial release.

We'll have to see how they put the whole identity together, because that first logo sheet has a whole lot of disjointed parts. If they can integrate them as well as in that new (primary?) logo, then it might be successful.

I like the lower-right logo of the dog swinging the bone, but not impressed with the rest of the set.

Really hate that "EP" logo, which doesn't seem to match anything else.

Many of us opposed the use of eminent domain, but not necessarily the arena itself. Frankly, I think the design is sublime.

I'll have to read that Journal piece, but it sounds like an expenditure problem, as published revenues have been amazing - the Barclays Center was the nation's top-grossing concert venue in the first six months of 2013.

True, but not a Pro Football HoF ring - a Packers Hall of Fame ring. Hopefully he'll get to add a Canton ring eventually.

Another cool picture anyone guess who this is?

The Packer hof ring (on the pointer finger) gives it away.

When that photo was first released a couple years ago, that one was identified as a 1962 World Championship ring.

But they didn't give out rings that season - players and executives alike got wristwatches instead.

True enough.

But I'd need to read the actual quote. It could have been something along the lines of "with your resources, and the great people you have, I'm convinced you'll be raising the Cup soon!" That could fit the tweet and still be reasonable on the Commissioner's part. Or he could have said exactly what we all first thought he said, which would have been outrageous.

It feels wrong to be giving Bettman the benefit of the doubt in any form, but I think we have to here.

It is a successful market, though, in that it does what the owners want it to do (line their pockets with arena revenue), and it provides benefit to the league owners collectively (by keeping player costs down).

Never let it be said that an unsuccessful market can't sometimes be very useful. That doesn't make it any less an unsuccessful market.

I can write off some stock losses on my taxes. That doesn't mean I deliberately look for stocks that are going to tank.

Yeah, what you're describing are ridiculously low prices.

Even my Cosmos season tickets were $26 per game. Which means that, even with the much shorter season, the total package was still more expensive than the Panthers' $300 season. I'm sitting in pretty good seats, but still. Minor league soccer.

Can't believe that Panthers tickets cost less than my second-division soccer season tickets.

They could have had it. It was built for them.

Wait the royals had a chance to move to the NL and DECLINED? What the hell were they thinking??

Admiral's idea makes as much sense as anything. Ironically, I think the Twins would next have been offered the chance if the Brewers somehow declined.

I wonder if the Royals were still feeling their big rivalry with the Yankees at that point.

But don't forget the 3 hours it takes to get from Tampa to St. Pete.

Or so the "you can't trust the attendance numbers, it's a great baseball market!" people would have us believe.

Well, you're ignoring that Selig expressly prohibited the Brewers from having first choice in moving to the NL, no matter how desperate they were to do so. He gave the Royals first crack, to avoid even the appearance of favoritism, and to this day I still can't believe they didn't jump at the chance to be a Cardinals divisional rival.

As to getting the stadium deal done, what precisely do you think he did in Wisconsin that he didn't do in eight or ten other cities?

Selig caters to the big markets...LA, Boston, NY and to Milwaukee.

I know that didn't come out as you expected, but still.

That's really funny - I remember him as being the plain-speaking straight man to Uecker's schmaltz. Guess that was the dynamic they needed there - you can't out-folksy Ueck.

I always liked Hughes when he partnered with Bob Uecker. What's the team like in Chicago?

The Dodgers? Never heard that one.

Pretty sure Armour Square Park was a fan concept only, never seriously considered by anyone involved in the project.

I think there's more to my post than that. Like I said, the Cubs did a lot right, while the Sox make blunder after blunder.

I think your lengthy analysis is astute. The Cubs have carefully groomed their mystique, while the Sox have ham-handedly squandered whatever claim they might have had. Add to that the bandwagon aspect, including among the press, and the luck of timing, and you've got two franchises with in very different positions.

I sometimes wonder what would have happened had not torn down Comiskey. Sure, it was a dump, but so is Wrigley. Fenway is now sacred ground, but I remember a time when the Red Sox were desperate to torch the place, even trotting out Ted Williams In a wheelchair to make a public pitch for a new stadium. What would the Red Sox mystique be now without that place? The White Sox were just lucky/unlucky enough to have been able to go through with it.

And then a further hypothetical - having made the decision to build a new park, what if they hadn't turned down the plans that became Camden Yards? The Sox didn't have the vision to see what was around the corner when it was offered to them, so they built a stadium that was functionally outdated almost from the day it opened. There were years when the Orioles weren't worth seeing but the ballpark continued to resonate (and draw) - that could give been the White Sox.

Yeah, the Marlins are nothing less than a disaster.

They do have a lease in a ballpark built just for them, though, so they'll be a disaster in Miami for a while longer.

So selig puts off Oakland's stadiums issues for over 4 years now but he wants to talk about Tampa? Okay

Does another team have a claim on the the Rays' preferred relocation site? Because if not, the analogy falls apart pretty quickly.

Yeah, when you get to Omaha it means you can pretty much stop reading there.