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3 hours ago, TruColor said:

32's is an Apostrophe Catastrophe.

 

32s.

Tell that to the other number nickname team playing in a nation's capital.

1 hour ago, DCarp1231 said:

This is a super crazy out there idea, but...

 

what if that diamond pattern means absolutely nothing and it’s just faux mesh?

The connection between the diamonds & the map of DC makes me thing that they're going to use them in a similar way to Seattle's feather pattern. We already see them incorporated into the numbers & sleeve stripe, and I wouldn't be surprised if the alternate helmet features them.

3 hours ago, gosioux76 said:

If we really want to read the tea leaves on this, you could read the bolded phrases as suggesting the WFT name is going to stay. 

 

Not that I believe this, but you could read this as saying very literally "we are washington," The "fight for our community" phrase could simply be another way of saying, "we will fight for/as Washington."  And "together we will define our future," could be a nod to collectively creating an identity under the WFT brand rather than forcing a new nickname upon them. 

I think it's more likely that they know whatever name is picked will be hated by a group of people, so they're pushing Washington to the forefront of the branding to cushion the blow. The Indians Guardians did the same thing when they unveiled their name.

I'm still hoping they go with Hogs/Red Hogs, but there wasn't much in the video that points to that other than one fan in a hog helmet.

On 1/2/2022 at 3:15 PM, Ridleylash said:

We already know they're adding a non-RR alt next year thanks to Mike Gould, and it's a open secret Flames management wants black to be in the team's rotation in some form even with the retirement of the RR. Most people in Calgary would buy 2004 throwback jerseys.

 

It just makes far too much sense from the team's perspective to throw back to one of the biggest highlights of their history, like Pittsburgh's doing with the black wordmark alternate they just introduced.

 

Besides, when has any sports team cared about waiting a few years for alternate jerseys after a rebrand?

I'm sure the '04 red jerseys would sell well, but I feel like it would just put pressure on them to go back to being a black & red team. We'd end up in an endless loop of them switching between the pre-Edge set & the '80s throwbacks.

I'd rather see them mix it up and try a yellow jersey.

On 12/17/2021 at 11:19 PM, QCS said:

The name was taken from a racist police organization, the nickname is already used by a much more famous and long-lasting hockey team, and I don't think they can get a good visual identity out of it.

So if the name is problematic, why is it ok for New York to keep it? They were literally nicknamed Tex's Rangers because of their first owner.

On 12/18/2021 at 3:36 PM, ManillaToad said:

I think going with the Texas moniker despite Houston already having a team is a hilarious power move. The Angels doing the same thing with California is even better

It's the same as the NHL Panthers going by Florida when the Lightning already existed. They named them after the species called the "Florida panther" just like the Dallas-Ft. Worth MLB team being named after the "Texas Rangers" law enforcement agency.

The Angels going with California might have just been to avoid calling themselves "The Angels Angels".

23 hours ago, VancouverFan69 said:

Another one of the bad 90's trends in NHL uniforms besides the BFBS movement was the removal of pants stripes. Those Penguins pants should have kept the previous V-stripes or have straight white-gold-white stripes on the new pants.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't mind if most of the teams who currently have pant stripes ditched them altogether. Too many of them use a pant stripe that doesn't match any other striping in their uniforms (Calgary, Nashville, NYI, Pittsburgh, Vancouver), or use a stripe that only matches one of their uniforms (Chicago, Edmonton).

Detroit, Tampa, and Toronto are the only teams where I think the pant stripe enhances both uniforms.

4 minutes ago, Morgan33 said:

IMO, that is the best looking jersey they've ever had.  I wish they'd just reversed it on the road...

Apparently they wanted to go with 4 jerseys, a black & white robo-pen, and a black & white diagonal wordmark set. The league nixed the idea, so they decided to take on jersey from each pair instead of going with a cohesive set. 

15 hours ago, gosioux76 said:

That's true, but they don't have to stand out necessarily among those other Texas teams. They have to stand out against other MLB teams. 

 

I could see them swapping out colors, maybe even taking cues from the Cowboys and going heavy on navy and silver, maybe with a minimally-used red accent. That would be unique to MLB and still fit within the cowboy aesthetic. 

I mean I'm sure they want to at least stand out from the other Dallas-Ft Worth area teams. One of the Rangers or Mavericks should own the cowboy hat look at least.

1 hour ago, gosioux76 said:

The Rangers are an odd case study. Their only era of sustained success came — the mid-90s Pudge Rodriguez /Juan Gonzalez era  plus two early 2010s World Series appearances -- are largely marked by the same visual identity. But despite the relative consistency, I never found that look to be very compelling. Despite the western-inspired font, it all felt a little character-less. 

The tough thing is that, aside from the Rockets, every pro team in Texas leans into a Western motif for their brands. You've got the Cowboys, Texans, Mavericks, Spurs, Stars, Astros (who briefly tried to emphasize the space imagery before going back to a basic star), and Rangers.

There's only so many ways to use the Texas flag/state outline/cowboy hats/boots before you start looking like one of the other teams.

18 hours ago, QCS said:

Diagonal letters always look bad, especially for such a long word like "Pittsburgh". The Rangers are the only team that should be using them and only because of historical context.

To be fair, the Penguins do have historical precedent with the diagonal letters also.

I don't have a problem with other teams using diagonal wordmarks as an alternate look, but the Pens' primary logo is too good to be left off the front of the jersey. The Rangers name is essentially based on a pun, so they don't have a ton of imagery to work with.

Rather, my issue with the Pittsburgh set is that the wordmark doesn't match the number font at all. Either switch the numbers to double-outlines + dropshadow, or change the wordmark to a single outline.

17 hours ago, Friedrich Stuart Macbeth said:

... a 2nd Toronto team will struggle against the much-established Leafs

I can't see any teams topping the Leafs as far as popularity goes, but you're crazy if you don't think the market could support more than one team. People say "they'd be another Clippers" like it's a bad thing. The Clippers are the 6th most valuable NBA franchise.

Realistically, Southern Ontario could support 2 more teams. Put a team in one of the main GTA suburbs (Mississauga, Vaughan, Markham), price them a little below the Leafs, and you'd get plenty of 905ers who would gladly skip the commute downtown. Then you could throw another team in a city like Hamilton or Kitchener.

Obviously the Leafs would never let this happen, but the demand is definitely there. 

4 minutes ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again- I really think that Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Hampton, VA would be a great one-team market for the NBA or NHL.

There were plans for the NHL to put a team there in the '90s (Hampton Roads Rhinos), but those got vetoed once the Whalers moved to Raleigh.

On 12/11/2021 at 8:19 AM, dont care said:

I immediately discredit anyone who says a team isn’t successful in a particular market because the stadium is hard to get to. If fans actually wanted to see the product they would overcome the hassle of getting to a game. They also act like it’s only a problem they have when the majority of stadiums don’t have great ways of getting to them. You are going to have to park at a train station and ride a variety of subways to get to the game. Or drive to it deal with traffic and hope you find parking that is cheap enough. Unless you live directly next to the stadium it will always suck getting to games. North east teams are probably the only exceptions with their variety of subway systems that make it much easier. 

I mean if you look at the league's attendance rankings every year, the teams with suburban arenas are almost consistently at the bottom of the list. That isn't a coincidence.

Yes, most downtown venues aren't the easiest to get to, but people who live outside the city are used to travelling downtown because that's how cities are designed. If you buy a house in the suburbs you expect that if you want to go to a concert, sporting event, or most jobs (pre-pandemic) then you'll be commuting. People living in a city centre don't want to travel to a suburb to go to an event.

49 minutes ago, habsfan1 said:

That's why I don't understand why the Oilers retired royal blue so soon, if royal blue is so popular. As unpopular as navy is for the Oilers, it always lasts so much longer.

 

But the Flames & Leafs invert the crest to white on the homes only. With both jerseys having the neon version, it would look weird to not go all the way. Like their identity crisis will remain unresolved.

Since when do both jerseys use the stealth version? The road jersey still uses the regular white circle logo.

I personally think the navy works better on the orange jersey than royal did, but they still should have just kept the throwbacks around.

On 12/10/2021 at 4:07 PM, habsfan1 said:

You basically needed 2 sets of back numbers: one for the wavy bottom on the left and one for the right beside it where the wave stripe is a bit higher. More work for the sewing team who applied numbers on the backs of jerseys, they have to be careful not to get confused.

That's the case with these as well, and people don't seem to have a big problem with them coming back as a throwback:

On 12/12/2021 at 12:11 AM, habsfan1 said:

If the Oilers make their navy blue alts their new primary uniforms, does that mean this becomes the new primary logo?

 

I think those plans got kyboshed before this season. Seems like the plan is to keep orange as the primary until royal blue is brought back.

And if it did get promoted, the primary logo wouldn't change. The Flames & Leafs both use recoloured versions of their primary logos on their home jerseys.

3 hours ago, IceCap said:

That's the same "grow the game" crap that's kept this team in Arizona for a quarter of a century bleeding money. 

 

Yeah. Houston is bigger than Quebec City. And Atlanta is bigger than Winnipeg. How'd that turn out? 

For all the talk of success the Jets have had off the ice, they are still the 26th most valuable franchise in the league, below teams like Nashville, Anaheim, & Dallas, and barely above Carolina. 

Yes, Quebec City likely wouldn't have to worry too much about selling out the building, but the ceiling really isn't that high. The league prefers to gamble on lower floor/higher ceiling markets, and that has worked out for them more often than it hasn't.

3 hours ago, Gary said:

Or between the walls where a random worker magically finds 10 million dollars and 25,000 fans. But I am a fan of this team. Been following this team and gone to countless games and can already tell you that doesn’t matter where they go in the greater Phoenix area. This team will never make a profit and even if the team does build a Arena in Tempe. It’s going to be the same as it is in Glendale. Basically means that this team will still be in red. As it stands East Valley teams will travel to Glendale as it is for the Cardinals and not the Coyotes. They can win a Stanley Cup and I say half the people here will care. So honestly if they leave it’ll maybe effect a quarter of the people. It’s time for them to go or just extract the team and start fresh somewhere else.

I'm curious as to why you think this is? I'm not challenging your opinion, but the general consensus seems to be that the majority of the fanbase lives in the East Valley. You say that people are willing to drive to Glendale for Cardinals games but not Coyotes, so don't you think more people would show up to an arena that's closer to their backyard?

22 minutes ago, ManillaToad said:

The logo is terrible and the jerseys are sterotypically 90s in the worst way possible lol. What's the point in giving something credit for doing something new if that new sucks?

The primary logo was fine. It's only problem was that it replaced a treasured logo that represented a dynasty. When they replaced it with the classic logo it didn't improve the jersey at all. 

If you updated the colours on the lighthouse shoulder patch it would be great on the current uniforms.

It obviously wasn't a great jersey, but at least the designers took a chance and came up with something original. They didn't just take a bland design, slap together some marketing-speak bs, and attach a beloved former player to it to try and buy some good will.

1 hour ago, Chromatic said:

Maybe if you keep the brim flat and leave the stickers on. Beyond that I don't see whats wrong with a properly broken in fitted.

Yeah, I would say a fitted hat is on the same level as straight leg jeans. It's a safe choice that may not be the height of fashion, but will never look dated. Snapbacks made a comeback, and dad hats are popular now, but those are trends that most likely will cycle out of fashion soon.

13 hours ago, BBTV said:

I've got nothing against a Houston Aeros team (provided their logos are nice), but the prospective return of the Nordiques makes me wet downstairs, as long as we don't get the dumb wolf logo.  I'd even be down with a KC team (if they even still want one) over the Loserdale Coyotes.  Is there any lease that they're bound to?  Or once they pay up their taxes (how does it even get to this point?) are they free to just leave?

If the rumours about the team being for sale are true, the league's priority would be to find new owners who are committed to keep the team in the market. If there isn't anyone willing to buy them & stay in the Phoenix area, then we get into an Atlanta situation.

They're getting kicked out of Glendale at the end of this season, regardless of whether or not they pay what's owed. The team is in the process of trying to get a new arena built in Tempe, so I can't see any relocation news happening as long as that proposal is still on the table.

On 11/27/2021 at 9:23 PM, the admiral said:

Correct, and so should the Jets and Maple Leafs. Really, just put the whole league back to white at home and have the Habs be the team that only breaks out the "home" uniform for special occasions.

I'd say that the teams known for their primary colour far outweigh the teams known for their white jerseys. Philadelphia should be in orange at home, San Jose should be in teal, Dallas should be in green, the Rangers should be in blue, Washington & Calgary should be in red, etc.

I am in favour of having teams decide which uniform they want to wear at home for the duration of the playoffs though. The Jets & Coyotes should be able to match the whiteout in the stands, and as long as the opposing equipment managers know going into the postseason there shouldn't be any logistical issues.

On 12/3/2021 at 3:10 PM, flyersfan said:

Part of what makes the Texans "boring" is the navy color, absolutely. The RWB scheme is almost overused in American sports (esp. Baseball). Navy with some red & white has been done for the NFL, and it's the globally recognized Patriots. Their rival in the Titans has gone to a navy-centric uniform set, and sit in a division with Royal Blue Colts, and Black&Teal Jaguars, something else is needed.

 

The Texans have awesome starts, I think their logo is one of the better ones in the NFL.  Only one team in the league has true red helmets (Chiefs, Washington is burgundy with TBD on the new look), there are a handful white ones (Chargers, Colts, Cardinals, Bills, Dolphins), and a handful of navy (Broncos, Bears, Titans, Seahawks). If they went with the red uniforms, they'd differentiate themselves from their division, the patriots, and the Navy is opposite enough of the Chiefs yellow. I'm almost envisioning a red-sox type brand for them.

 

Both the Cardinals and Texans can really stand out with a red helmet. I am a sucker for a white helmet though, but I think there's a ton of potential in there being a lack of red in the NFL, which is all the point is.

 

The Cardinals are due for an upgrade, but I think they should go forward with it, not go traditional. Doesn't mean gimmick, but I've had ideas I may throw in the Concepts forum at some point.

I definitely think the Texans hierarchy should be red-navy-white, but I don't think the helmet needs to change. There are only 4 other teams who wear navy helmets, and none of them use red as one of their other colours (aside from the slivers Tennessee uses).

I completely agree that red is an underused helmet colour though. I think the Bills should have gone with red instead of white for the helmet on their last rebrand, especially since at the time their division already had 2 other white helmet teams. When it comes to the Cardinals, I think the white helmet & logo are the only elements they should keep.

15 hours ago, Dilbert said:

Winnipeg is proof that the NHL can work in a small Canadian market. If Arizona moves there it will mess up the conference-division alignment. We may just have to have a 17 team East and 15 team West. I cant see Detroit and Columbus moving back west.

The NHL finally is back to even conferences & divisions, so they aren't going to suddenly go back to an uneven alignment. Detroit fought for years to be moved to the East, so they won't be moving back without a fight. 

2 hours ago, MCM0313 said:

It’s way worse than the fisherman. 

Yeah, at least with the fisherman they were trying to be original and were creative with the logo & striping, It was obviously a jarring change from what they wore before, which is the main reason it was so hated. 

The Preds just took their Winter Classic design, made the base blue, and tried to come up with a more "bold" wordmark for the chest stripe.

2 hours ago, KittSmith_95 said:

That Perds jersey.... what a mess. 

1. Smashville on the front, but broken up into two words stacked on top of one another, and the lettering doesn't even fit into the chest stripe. Had they outlined the letters, they'd look better. 

2. The font choice feels weird and doesn't fit them at all. 

The idea was to reference vintage country music posters like this with the font:

I get the thinking, but the execution is awful. Yes, the posters used mis-matching fonts, but not in the same word.

8 minutes ago, Nordiks_19 said:

Is there an unknown challenge to design the worst jersey possible when it comes to Stadium Series ?

Oof, that's awful. Between this & the Devils' Jersey jersey we're crossing into the NBA territory of dumb regional nicknames being thrown on uniforms.